Slippery Slope Arguments

[CaptainJackson]

Can the usual contenders please keep their slippery slope arguments in this thread, while other threads have only discussions about the topic.

Hence all your slippery slope arguments, such as those listed:-

• won't someone think of the children
• marriage is to make babies
• real life accounts of people who have suffered at the hands of a same sex upbringing (at the request of wolfmother)
  
• the minority are bullying us
• marxist socialist re-engineering
• free speech
• freedom of religion
• PC is taking over damn it!!!!

These can all be discussed here to your triggered snowflake heart's desire

 

[Flanagun]

Haha there are those who take political correctness too far IMO.....and those people do political correctness a disservice. Political correctness should be about education and political correctness can't be shouted in to someone....and people who are ignorant but not truly intolerant don't deserve to be attacked, they need to be educated......which is what too many on the left try to do..... Some DO take PC too far....specifically in America. I read an article the other day trying to argue that it is homophobic to reject a sexual partner solely on the basis of gender......wish I had saved the link. The PC police do talk a lot of shit and that does do those of us who just want to promote rational respect and tolerance a disservice.

Anyway, the post gave me a chuckle and you are right. People do talk a lot of shit. I enjoyed the thread, I don't expect your appeal to be successful though

 

[CaptainJackson]

Anyway, the post gave me a chuckle and you are right. People do talk a lot of shit. I enjoyed the thread, I don't expect your appeal to be successful though

I'm an extremist lefty who's trying to enact socialist marxist culturalism on people, of course some (we already know which ones) won't be happy with this thread.

 

[The DoggFather]

FFS just rename this thread "Run at me, Realist" lol

 

[The DoggFather]

PS don't wear shorts when you go down a metal slippery slide in summer lol

 

[CaptainJackson]

PS don't wear shorts when you go down a metal slippery slide in summer lol

So go naked?

 

[CaptainJackson]

Haha there are those who take political correctness too far IMO.....and those people do political correctness a disservice. Political correctness should be about education and political correctness can't be shouted in to someone....and people who are ignorant but not truly intolerant don't deserve to be attacked, they need to be educated......which is what too many on the left try to do..... Some DO take PC too far....specifically in America. I read an article the other day trying to argue that it is homophobic to reject a sexual partner solely on the basis of gender......wish I had saved the link. The PC police do talk a lot of shit and that does do those of us who just want to promote rational respect and tolerance a disservice.

Picking up on this though, there are a minority of commentators who do take PC to far, e.g. Clementine Ford, however there has been a tendency for some publications, e.g. Daily Mail, to go searching far and wide for these PC extremists and to bring attention to them, when no one else would. Other examples of searching far and wide for things to be outraged on Christmas Trees not having the word Christmas on the packaging, Special persons day cake amongst a plethora of fathers day cakes, etc

But on the other side of intolerance and bigotry, there's quite a few MAINSTREAM commentators e.g. Bolt, Devine, Patahani, Akerman, Hadley, etc etc I could keep on going with so many examples but I'm sure you get my point.

 

[Flanagun]

Picking up on this though, there are a minority of commentators who do take PC to far, e.g. Clementine Ford, however there has been a tendency for some publications, e.g. Daily Mail, to go searching far and wide for these PC extremists and to bring attention to them, when no one else would. Other examples of searching far and wide for things to be outraged on Christmas Trees not having the word Christmas on the packaging, Special persons day cake amongst a plethora of fathers day cakes, etc

But on the other side of intolerance and bigotry, there's quite a few MAINSTREAM commentators e.g. Bolt, Devine, Patahani, Akerman, Hadley, etc etc I could keep on going with so many examples but I'm sure you get my point.

They are not as much of a minority as you think, these PC extremists. Liberalism in the US for example often takes political correctness to counter productive extremes...

PS Clementine Ford is a mainstream commentator. She writes for Fairfax.

I agree conservative bottom feeders are much more a concern in this country but I look at a lot of the rhetoric coming particularly from militant deminists and the americamn left and I do understand why some people have concerns. Leftists can be dangerous too....particularly if they are neoliberal (or pseudoliberal as I like to call them) manifestations of the left.

 

[CaptainJackson]

They are not as much of a minority as you think, these PC extremists. Liberalism in the US for example often takes political correctness to counter productive extremes...

Can't really comment on the American environment

PS Clementine Ford is a mainstream commentator. She writes for Fairfax.

I know that's my point, that she's the only mainstream one I can think of (there may be others but I can't really think of them or maybe not know them) that are given a regular voice.

I agree conservative bottom feeders are much more a concern in this country but I look at a lot of the rhetoric coming particularly from militant deminists and the americamn left and I do understand why some people have concerns. Leftists can be dangerous too....particularly if they are neoliberal (or pseudoliberal as I like to call them) manifestations of the left.

Without doubt there are a lot of them, not saying there aren't, but these people don't get given a voice unless certain publications target and report on these people just to create outrage and sell their tabloids/shows

 

[DoggiesBoy]

For extra shits and giggles can a mod please merge this thread with realists hilarious my safe space thread

 

[The DoggFather]

So go naked?

Depends, are you a hot chick?

 

[Hacky McAxe]

slope

Racist.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Depends, are you a hot chick?

 

[Flanagun]

Can't really comment on the American environment



I know that's my point, that she's the only mainstream one I can think of (there may be others but I can't really think of them or maybe not know them) that are given a regular voice.



Without doubt there are a lot of them, not saying there aren't, but these people don't get given a voice unless certain publications target and report on these people just to create outrage and sell their tabloids/shows

You probably should take more note of what's happening in the US as those sorts of ideas are starting to take root here too and I think there are so called liberals here who want push very similar policy agendas to the so called liberals over there. Political Correctness is not harmless in some hands and I think we should be a little wary. Political Correctness cxan make people very impatient and judgmental with one another when taken to extremes. There are bad ideologues dragging both sides down. I'll always lean to the left but the modern left has its own problems IMO.

 

[Wolfmother]

You forgot to add any real life accounts of people who have suffered at the hands of a same sex upbringing.. Or is that a fair argument against same sex marriage ?

 

[CaptainJackson]

You probably should take more note of what's happening in the US as those sorts of ideas are starting to take root here too and I think there are so called liberals here who want push very similar policy agendas to the so called liberals over there.

Such as?

Political Correctness is not harmless in some hands and I think we should be a little wary. Political Correctness cxan make people very impatient and judgmental with one another when taken to extremes.

They're stupid people who don't actually understand the term and it's usage. They can shout as much as they want they're usually put back in their place by people who actually understand political correctness.

There are bad ideologues dragging both sides down. I'll always lean to the left but the modern left has its own problems IMO.

And those problems arise from not clearly explaining the concepts behind "leftist" ideology. That's the main crux of the matter and that's what causes the "stupid" people to jump on the bandwagon and misuse concepts like PC.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

You probably should take more note of what's happening in the US as those sorts of ideas are starting to take root here too and I think there are so called liberals here who want push very similar policy agendas to the so called liberals over there. Political Correctness is not harmless in some hands and I think we should be a little wary. Political Correctness cxan make people very impatient and judgmental with one another when taken to extremes. There are bad ideologues dragging both sides down. I'll always lean to the left but the modern left has its own problems IMO.

Such as?



They're stupid people who don't actually understand the term and it's usage. They can shout as much as they want they're usually put back in their place by people who actually understand political correctness.



And those problems arise from not clearly explaining the concepts behind "leftist" ideology. That's the main crux of the matter and that's what causes the "stupid" people to jump on the bandwagon and misuse concepts like PC.

Unfortunately there is many cases of it on the rise in Australia and it does hold some dominance in certain groups in the US, but it's a different ideology than the standard left ideologies. It just surprises me most when it's done by groups like the American Liberals. It shows a complete misunderstanding of what "liberal" means. Liberal being a supporter of Liberty or Freedom. Much like in Australia. The main party to carry the name "Liberal" is one of the most restrictive parties there is.

Political correctness has its place, but when it's used to appease a group and protect them from getting slightly upset then it can get out of hand.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Unfortunately there is many cases of it on the rise in Australia

Are there? Or is it just that sensationalist tabloids or shock jocks look far and wide for outrageous things to report on and boost their ratings/sales?

Political correctness has its place, but when it's used to appease a group and protect them from getting slightly upset then it can get out of hand.

One such example I can remember is when the grand mufti of australia wanted religion added to the Discrimination Act. It received a front page headline from news ltd publications, but I believe was pretty quickly shut down by the Australian Human Rights Commission. In any case there were discussions held and it was shut down as not meeting the requirements for the Discrimination Act.

Yes there's always going to be a group of people who raise either odd things or misunderstood concepts, but I hardly see any of these gaining actual traction in Australia.

 

[CaptainJackson]

You forgot to add any real life accounts of people who have suffered at the hands of a same sex upbringing.. Or is that a fair argument against same sex marriage ?

Added at your request

 

[Flanagun]

You forgot to add any real life accounts of people who have suffered at the hands of a same sex upbringing.. Or is that a fair argument against same sex marriage ?

I addressed this in the other thread. If you are going to use personal experience to support an argument like that you should use a bigger cross section. Otherwise you are just deferring to the dibhective personal experiences of an individual or small group of them. What is it about this very basic concept you don't understand? You can't take one person's or a small group of people's opinions, claim
Those opinions are indicative of a whole group if you want your point to be taken seriously. It's a dishonest argumentative tactic.