Some people on here suffer from this problem where they bounce from one extreme to the other. Just because some of us think we shouldn't be this bad, that then doesn't mean we think we should be world beaters and pushing the best teams.
These people are just happy to keep twisting things and use excuse after excuse for everything. No doubt we have major issues, but those issues shouldn't be an excuse for everything.
I understand 100% what you're saying, but your comments sound like Dean Pay is the ONLY issue at the club.
You seem to give the "Pay is a shit coach" posts more emphasis than the other major problems we have.
So, Anderson went shit in the beginning of his career but won us a comp.
Even Folkes won us a comp and started shit in his coaching career.
Coach's learn and get better. And if he doesn't the board will punt him. The pressure is on Pay to perform.
I remember I had the shits with Folkes before the roosters semi in 2003 when we lost.
He had like two hughes brothers on the bench in that semi and totally overlooked Feeney and Asotasi who were cleary the better choice.
Boy was I dirty on him(may God rest his soul). He ended up taking us to a premiership a year after.
We got bigger issues than Pay at the moment mate