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maroondog72

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You just described governments.

Maybe humans are ***** that will use anything to spread evil?
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Only difference is that religion has been around a lot longer than any system of Government. I don’t discriminate against anyone’s religion or belief system but I won’t have those beliefs shoved down my throat, especially when they’re shrouded in Lies and Hypocrisy. Extremism in any form whether it be political or religious is dangerous and has done more harm than good to Humanity. IMO. I will meet my maker with clear eyes and an open heart knowing I have done my best to be a decent human being and not because I was scared of the consequences of the way I lived my life.
Happy Easter Brother.
 

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Happy Easter Brother.
Thank bro but I'm not Catholic, mine (Orthodox) is early May.

But still appreciated!

PS there has been government/kingship since the Assyrians 6000 years ago.

Always something/someone controlling or wanting to control.
 

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When it comes to war, I don't blame the religion. I always see it as using Religion as a tool. And unfortunately it's a tool that works too well.

Ukraine is a good example. Putin carries out an invasion of Ukraine. He does this with the support of the Russian Orthodox Church. The leader of the Russian Orthodox Church even called it a "Holy Crusade against the depravity of the West". Those kind of comments are the reason the Russian public support the conflict.

Religion isn't to blame for war. But religious tribalism often helps tyrants. Without the religious support, the wars would lose support. When the people don't support the war, the war can't go on.
Its nice to be able to discuss matters with normal people, instead of 2 headed morons
Their is an element of truth in what you said about Putin's invasion of the Ukraine, since he claimed that Ukraine was heading down the road of moral decay like the US, but he is only using it to cover up his own failure, which is probably the reason why their Orthodox Bishop backed him.
At the end of the day Putins history, KGB etc, tells me that he is an arch Russian nationalist, and is trying re-build the grand old Soviet Union
Sorry but your wrong in saying that religion is prolonging that war, because even in Russia 95% of the people don't take much notice of their Church leaders, when it comes to politics.
BTW it has been reportered that a significent % of Russians are opposed to the war.
 

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Let me remind you that you initiated this interaction. So I am peddling hate/shit?. Your religion was the first institution to cleanse itself of sexual predators? lol and I am blind? So is that the love peace harmony etc that you preach about? Like I said in my last reply don’t bring your shit to my table blind man.
Mate. when someone initate a post, most accept a reply, unless they think that they are God.
Have you forgotten that you said that religion has ruined humanity. I grant you that some people who were brought up religious have gone bad. BTW If you do a little homework, you will find that virtually all of them turned off religion and worshiping God before going bad.
Also by saying what you said you have conviently ignored that religion has inspired a lot of people who have made incredable sacrafices for GOD and mankind.
BTW many anti religion people have accused Christians of been Judgmental, are you claiming that your not judgmental
When it comes to puting shit on your table, you have done a good job of filling up your table with youre own shit, so now go and gobble it up all by yourself
 
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Thank bro but I'm not Catholic, mine (Orthodox) is early May.

But still appreciated!

PS there has been government/kingship since the Assyrians 6000 years ago.

Always something/someone controlling or wanting to control.
Perhaps in the past, but now days most Christian Churches are just trying to remain relevent.
 
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Its nice to be able to discuss matters with normal people, instead of 2 headed morons
Their is an element of truth in what you said about Putin's invasion of the Ukraine, since he claimed that Ukraine was heading down the road of moral decay like the US, but he is only using it to cover up his own failure, which is probably the reason why their Orthodox Bishop backed him.
At the end of the day Putins history, KGB etc, tells me that he is an arch Russian nationalist, and is trying re-build the grand old Soviet Union
Sorry but your wrong in saying that religion is prolonging that war, because even in Russia 95% of the people don't take much notice of their Church leaders, when it comes to politics.
BTW it has been reportered that a significent % of Russians are opposed to the war.
According to polls, at least 73% of Russians support the war and only 20% oppose it. And around 70% of Russians actively practice as Russian Orthodox Christians. Over 85% of Russians have stated that they oppose same-sex marriage due to their religious beliefs.

Also, Putin has stated publicly that he opposes the reformation of the Soviet Union. Primarily because the Soviet Union was run by Atheists and Putin is a devout Christian.
 

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Mate. when someone initate a post, most accept a reply, unless they think that they are God.
Have you forgotten that you said that religion has ruined humanity. I grant you that some people who were brought up religious have gone bad. BTW If you do a little homework, you will find that virtually all of them turned off religion and worshiping God before going bad.
Also by saying what you said you have conviently ignored that religion has inspired a lot of people who have made incredable sacrafices for GOD and mankind.
BTW many anti religion people have accused Christians of been Judgmental, are you claiming that your not judgmental
When it comes to puting shit on your table, you have done a good job of filling up your table with youre own shit, so now go and gobble it up all by yourself
lol you are weak as piss and a typical Hypocritical religious zealot, lol two headed moron? lol is that the peace love and tolerance you preach so vehemently? Any opinion that you perceive to be not as righteous as your own is to be ridiculed? Such a pious Godly man. lol Just another extremist in a world full of them.
 

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According to polls, at least 73% of Russians support the war and only 20% oppose it. And around 70% of Russians actively practice as Russian Orthodox Christians. Over 85% of Russians have stated that they oppose same-sex marriage due to their religious beliefs.

Also, Putin has stated publicly that he opposes the reformation of the Soviet Union. Primarily because the Soviet Union was run by Atheists and Putin is a devout Christian.
The Soviet union was not run by atheists!
 

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The Soviet union was not run by atheists!
The Soviet Union was super atheist. It was a secular state that had an unofficial policy of state Atheism. They deliberately made it very difficult for any religion to operate.

Modern Russia is hugely different.
 

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According to polls, at least 73% of Russians support the war and only 20% oppose it. And around 70% of Russians actively practice as Russian Orthodox Christians. Over 85% of Russians have stated that they oppose same-sex marriage due to their religious beliefs.

Also, Putin has stated publicly that he opposes the reformation of the Soviet Union. Primarily because the Soviet Union was run by Atheists and Putin is a devout Christian.
Sorry hacky you are not quite right, but I guess you are just pushing your barrow, If you survey Australians (of the European variety) most would say that they are Christians, I would bet that overall not much more than 5-6 % would have a real (not serious) relationship with their Church and JESUS. With Catholics only about 10-12% attend Mass. The reason being that secularism take priority over spiritulism, when you're caught up and surronded by LOW MORALS, (divorce marital affairs). GREED (The need to keep up with the Jones, etc). PAGANISM ( indulging in Pornogorohy, Mardy Graph etc). People should not claim that you belong to any Christian Demonation, (at least not Catholic), if they accept and indulge in those types of practices.
When it comes to war by far most people prioritise Nationalism over (God==Religion). At the begining Russians were told that they were De Nazifing the Ukrane, (whatever that meant) and they went along with Putin believing that it was going to be an easy take over, because they were similiar people.
What happens then, is that the Americans and Europeans supprt the Ukarne, and the old cold war is revived all over again.
In war time since Nationsalism takes priority over Spiritulism, and all Russians, would have heard all about the Nazi invansion ( the SS scorch earth pampaign, 25 million dead etc ). Also the closer relationship the US @ Uk forged with Germany, while completely ignoring just how much the Russians suffered (which we were told very little bout), Plus the rigging of the old Soviet Union with Missiles. Most Russians no doubt were always going to rally behind Putin, who in my book is only a KING SIZE Hyprocite if he says that he is a devout Christian.
Actually I believe that he would try to reform the old Soviet Union if he first took over the Ukrane. You know that truth is the first casuailty of war
 

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Sorry hacky you are not quite right, but I guess you are just pushing your barrow, If you survey Australians (of the European variety) most would say that they are Christians, I would bet that overall not much more than 5-6 % would have a real (not serious) relationship with their Church and JESUS. With Catholics only about 10-12% attend Mass. The reason being that secularism take priority over spiritulism, when you're caught up and surronded by LOW MORALS, (divorce marital affairs). GREED (The need to keep up with the Jones, etc). PAGANISM ( indulging in Pornogorohy, Mardy Graph etc). People should not claim that you belong to any Christian Demonation, (at least not Catholic), if they accept and indulge in those types of practices.
When it comes to war by far most people prioritise Nationalism over (God==Religion). At the begining Russians were told that they were De Nazifing the Ukrane, (whatever that meant) and they went along with Putin believing that it was going to be an easy take over, because they were similiar people.
What happens then, is that the Americans and Europeans supprt the Ukarne, and the old cold war is revived all over again.
In war time since Nationsalism takes priority over Spiritulism, and all Russians, would have heard all about the Nazi invansion ( the SS scorch earth pampaign, 25 million dead etc ). Also the closer relationship the US @ Uk forged with Germany, while completely ignoring just how much the Russians suffered (which we were told very little bout), Plus the rigging of the old Soviet Union with Missiles. Most Russians no doubt were always going to rally behind Putin, who in my book is only a KING SIZE Hyprocite if he says that he is a devout Christian.
Actually I believe that he would try to reform the old Soviet Union if he first took over the Ukrane. You know that truth is the first casuailty of war
It's very possible that the Christians in Russia don't attend church en masse, but do you really think that if the head of the largest Church in Russia cut support for Putin, it would have no impact?
 

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It's very possible that the Christians in Russia don't attend church en masse, but do you really think that if the head of the largest Church in Russia cut support for Putin, it would have no impact?
To many Religious leaders are afraid of losing their numbers, so they go along with the flow, which is generally always influenced by the media.
I'm fairly certain that the Head of the Russian Church would have done his homework, re public opinion. He "may" have been able to keep quite, but if he spoke up against Putin mmmmmm.
 

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lol you are weak as piss and a typical Hypocritical religious zealot, lol two headed moron? lol is that the peace love and tolerance you preach so vehemently? Any opinion that you perceive to be not as righteous as your own is to be ridiculed? Such a pious Godly man. lol Just another extremist in a world full of them.
So I'm as week as piss, and a typical Hypocritical religious zealot, What does it make YOU for saying that Religion has ruined Humanity mate.
Then not having the guts to explain how Religion has ruined Humanity, does your refusal to explain how religion ruined humanity make you an inteligent decent human beign, or a bigoted hate ridden arsehole.
I work with a Religious group 30--40 hours visiting and doing things for the poor and the sick etc. "WHAT DO YOU DO."
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Religion has ruined humanity. I do know that many Gays have turned their hate on Religion because most Religions frown on same sex unions with some strongly opposing the it. I guess gays want the Churches to agree with their sexual practices because it will make them feel that their practice is acceptable God, how stupid are they.
BTW Religions don't govern our Country, we like all the others, just have a say
 
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