Gay marriage plebiscite - Result YES to SSM

Should the law be changed to allow same-sex couples to marry?

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CroydonDog said:
I partied last night with a group of Thai lesbians. Those chicks know how to have a good time.

No idea how this is relevant but I just wanted to share.
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If you wanted to share you would’ve told us last night and got a webcam up and running! :grimacing:
 
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Britt Wall said:
The primary reason (I think) people (should) get married is to start and raise a family. Yes there are other reasons, but this is the primary one (at least in terms of what matters to me) .
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I really don't think the issue is about what you think though. It's about whether what you think should be the definition accepted by others...and I just don't think you've demonstrated that your opinion is anything but subjective (opinions are subjective by nature). So I don't see why you're so insistent on such an absolute, inflexible definition of something that is a human construct and somewhat open to subjective interpretation.

It seems to be the no side demanded this debate and some are now crying foul because they don't feel they are convincing the majority.

Corporations represent the interests of customers and members of management themselves, so corporations who support the yes side are only participating in the debate the no dude called for. Whatever you think of the reasons behind those decisions.
 
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I disagree. I think it's quite clear that for quite a while now, the primary reason people get married is ultimately to have kids. Yes they also love each other and want to recognise their relationships as more than just an informal once, but primarily it's because they want to have a family together.
 
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Britt Wall said:
I disagree. I think it's quite clear that for quite a while now, the primary reason people get married is ultimately to have kids. Yes they also love each other and want to recognise their relationships as more than just an informal once, but primarily it's because they want to have a family together.
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You keep going back to what had been the norm
In the past though...."for quite a while now".... that sort of negates the reality that this isn't all about tradition. It's a conflict between progressive ideals and traditional ones....

I think if we can't all agree on certain things as a society (or if a majority can't agree. We will never all agree on anything) we should give people the choice.
 
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Out of all of my married friends, (including gay couples who have been married overseas), each of them have children or are expecting.
utility half said:
You keep going back to what had been the norm
In the past though...."for quite a while now".... that sort of negates the reality that this isn't all about tradition. It's a conflict between progressive ideals and traditional ones....

I think if we can't all agree on certain things as a society (or if a majority can't agree. We will never all agree on anything) we should give people the choice.
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I don't think that having kids is a traditional ideal. I think it's inherent and unchanging.
 
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Britt Wall said:
I don't think that having kids is a traditional ideal. I think it's inherent and unchanging.
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Having kids isn't an ideal at all. It's a biological reality. The debate about whether this inherent biological reality has to be "protected" by a human construct is the real issue at hand and I guess that is the point on which we differ.

I personally know quite a few married couples who don't have kids (as well as plenty who do) I also know a fair few unmarried parents. Not to mention divorced ones.... family units are changing shape and becoming more diverse. Not everyone is reproducing these days and that's probably not a bad thing. As long as enough people keep doing it to preserve the species.
 
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Britt Wall said:
Of course it won't.

Nor will it have any impact on suicide rates.

But that's what gay activists (including Westpac) have lied about throughout the campaign.
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From my experience there is still a huge stigma against gays at a schoolyard level ,even though society has come a long way ,it seems pubescent boys naturally isolate themselves or bully gays.
Girls seem to be more accepting of both.
 
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Wolfmother said:
She's an Aussie that came from Bosnia..


She is fair game to be a contestant for Miss Australia however if she was wearing a traditional bosnian dress or a hijab etc then it would be disrespectful.
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Like Mia Kalifa?
 
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Wolfmother said:
She's a porn star isn't she? Lol
But I see your point she can still be Muslim and fit in.
The hijab really sets a divide .
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I'm not Muslim and even I think that's fucked.

The hijab porn, just like nun porn, is shock value and caters for weird *****.
 
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CroydonDog said:
What kind of sick fuck does this sort of thing - whether its to protest SSM or any other reaso for that matter?

I hate picking up my dogs shit with a plastic bag FFS.

Vitriolic poo protest and defacing of Rainbow ‘Yes vote’ letterbox shocks couple
A SYDNEY couple has issued a challenge to vandals after their letterbox was defaced and poo placed on their doorstep.

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news.com.auOCTOBER 4, 20177:59AM



Arts producers Fiona Winning and Harley Stumm, who just wanted to express their support for LGBTIQ friends in same sex marriage, are shocked at the vitriolic attack.

In response they have placed a note by the letterbox outside their inner city suburban home, challenging the vandals.

“If you don’t like our letterbox — make your own,” the note reads.

“Please don’t deface ours or put poo on our doorstep.

“We invite you to knock on our door and chat about why we say yes and you say no.”

Ms Winning, who is the Sydney Festival’s Head of Programming, told news.com.aushe chose the brightly coloured letterbox from a selection made by Sydney artist Mickie Quick.

Mr Quick had made around a hundred letterboxes which sell for $75 each. He is donating the proceeds to Camp Out, a kids camp for LGBTIQ teenagers.



Placing the brightly coloured letterbox in a prominent position on their front fence at Waterloo was Ms Winning and Mr Stumm’s public show of support.


But within days, someone had spray painted the exterior black.

Ms Winning refused to be deterred by the mystery vandal, who she described as “a bullying ‘No’ voter”, and Mr Quick offered a replacement letterbox while the other is being repaired.

Then, last Friday night, someone tipped the letterbox over so only its white underside and none of the rainbow stripes or the “Yes” decals were visible.

The vandal then trespassed onto the couple’s property and walked up eight steps to place dog poo on the front doorstep.

An incensed Ms Winning penned the note for their front fence and said she has had some surprising, and heartwarming responses, though nothing from the “No” voting vandals.



“All these people have to do is make a statement of their own,” she said.

“We had a man from [the same] street tell us how he had a rainbow flag at the church cut down and burnt down.

“We had a beautiful letter from a woman who said she was really sorry to see our note, and that she has been too afraid to put up a rainbow flag because she has a small child.”

Ms Winning said that despite the “acts of hate” by the vandals, she and Mr Stumm had gladly been on the front foot for their LGBTIQ friends.

“In some ways we were happy to take the heat,” she said. “What’s happening to us as allies is nothing.

“For LGBTIQ people, for them these small acts of hate are bringing up past terrible experiences they went through growing up LGBTIQ.”

Mr Quick’s Rainbow “Yes” letterboxes are made from plain Bunnings letterboxes and spray-painted.

On his Facebook page, Mr Quick says they are designed to have the “Yes” decals removed once the same sex marriage survey has been completed, leaving a “fabulous queer rainbow letterbox remaining on show”.
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Is there any evidence that it did happen? Sometimes (& I'm not saying it happened in this instance) people who are putting a case forward on an emotive issue like this one will vandalise their own things & portray themselves as victims & say the other mob are bad mkay.
 
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