Dogs divide: Training ground punishment becomes a heated and emotional debate

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This not a bad article. Surprisingly it’s from DT.

A Bulldogs training ground incident has driven one of their own away and split the game asunder. BRENT READ digs into the issue and the ramifications for the club.

Brent Read
September 01, 2023 12:00 pm

Rugby league certainly moves fast. On Monday, as the fallout from the South Sydney dramas continued, Latrell Mitchell and the Rabbitohs were still dominating the news cycle.


By Tuesday night, the focus had switched to battling Canterbury and a training ground incident that has driven one of their own away and split the game asunder.


I was driving home on Thursday afternoon when a former player called to have his say on claims a Bulldogs player had taken mental health leave after being forced to wrestle more than 20 of his teammates as a form of punishment when he was deemed to have turned up late for training.


The former player couldn’t believe the story. His view was that the Bulldogs player at the centre of the dispute was in the wrong. If you can’t handle that, how can you handle first grade was the gist of the argument.


That has been one side of what has become a heated and emotional debate – is there any other kind with Bulldogs supporters? Canterbury coach Cameron Ciraldo has made no secret of his desire to toughen up his playing group, weeding out the weak.

The former player was firmly in his camp. The day before, a current player had called after reading the story. He said he would have stepped in and stopped it.


He slammed the club’s leaders for standing by and watching the Bulldogs player punished to the point of exhaustion after being barely 10 minutes late for a training session.


In his view, it was indicative of a club that was lacking in leadership. The split wasn’t restricted to current and former players.


There were similarly divergent views among rival club officials, although most seemed to suggest the punishment was archaic and from a bygone era.


Those in that camp pointed out that little could be achieved by putting a teammate on show.


Some, however, backed Ciraldo and head of football Phil Gould as they attempt to lift a once-great club out of the doldrums.


The issue has been divisive and it is one I have wrestled with myself. On one hand, I can understand Ciraldo’s stance given the way the Bulldogs have played this year.


Their lack of resilience and mental fortitude has been reflected in the way they have capitulated on a weekly basis.


Hard work is non-negotiable with great teams and great players. Legendary quarterback Tom Brady was notorious for it. After one defeat, having caught a private flight with the team back to New England and then a shuttle bus back to their home base, Brady headed into the stadium as his teammates jumped into their cars and headed home.


It was three o’clock in the morning. Rather than head to bed, Brady wanted to watch the game again. He slept at the stadium and was still there when his teammates arrived in the morning.


Tiger Woods’ former coach Hank Haney waxed lyrical about the former world No.1’s training regimen. He called it digging in the dirt. Woods’ day started at 6am and didn’t finish until the sun was going down. He won 15 majors and may be the greatest player that ever lived.


Michael Jordan took every loss as a personal insult, whether it was at training or in a game. He was tough on his teammates – one went to see a psychiatrist to better learn how to deal with Jordan – but even more so on himself.

Being on time for training is non-negotiable. As one current player put it, turning up late for shows no respect to your teammates, let alone your coach and the club. If you’re late off the field, you will be late on it.


Yet there must be better ways than telling a bloke to get to his knees and take on his teammates one by one. Cultural change can’t start by embarrassing players to the point where they have no desire to return.


Maybe legendary Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson summed it up best.


“You don’t get the best out of people by hitting them with an iron rod.” he wrote in his book ‘Leading’.


“You do so by gaining their respect, getting them accustomed to triumphs and convincing them that they are capable of improving their performance.


“I cannot think of any manager who succeeded for any length of time by presiding over a reign


of terror. It turns out that the two most powerful words in the English language are, ‘Well done’.”


If anything, the past week has further highlighted the job confronting Ciraldo. Gould has backed his coach but it seems hard to believe he has a grasp on what is happening at the club given he isn’t always at games and is often distracted by his commentary commitments with the Nine Network.


The club is basically in his hands yet he isn’t always on the ground. Even so, chair John Khoury seems happy to let Gould take charge. His future is tied to Gould’s ability to turn the club around and whispers continue that he will face a challenge in February when election day arrives.


It certainly seems hard to believe Bulldogs fans would be happy with the current progress of their club. By then, we should know how this has all played out. The game will no doubt have moved on. Let’s hope the Bulldogs and their player have as well.
 

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This not a bad article. Surprisingly it’s from DT.

A Bulldogs training ground incident has driven one of their own away and split the game asunder. BRENT READ digs into the issue and the ramifications for the club.

Brent Read
September 01, 2023 12:00 pm

Rugby league certainly moves fast. On Monday, as the fallout from the South Sydney dramas continued, Latrell Mitchell and the Rabbitohs were still dominating the news cycle.


By Tuesday night, the focus had switched to battling Canterbury and a training ground incident that has driven one of their own away and split the game asunder.


I was driving home on Thursday afternoon when a former player called to have his say on claims a Bulldogs player had taken mental health leave after being forced to wrestle more than 20 of his teammates as a form of punishment when he was deemed to have turned up late for training.


The former player couldn’t believe the story. His view was that the Bulldogs player at the centre of the dispute was in the wrong. If you can’t handle that, how can you handle first grade was the gist of the argument.


That has been one side of what has become a heated and emotional debate – is there any other kind with Bulldogs supporters? Canterbury coach Cameron Ciraldo has made no secret of his desire to toughen up his playing group, weeding out the weak.

The former player was firmly in his camp. The day before, a current player had called after reading the story. He said he would have stepped in and stopped it.


He slammed the club’s leaders for standing by and watching the Bulldogs player punished to the point of exhaustion after being barely 10 minutes late for a training session.


In his view, it was indicative of a club that was lacking in leadership. The split wasn’t restricted to current and former players.


There were similarly divergent views among rival club officials, although most seemed to suggest the punishment was archaic and from a bygone era.


Those in that camp pointed out that little could be achieved by putting a teammate on show.


Some, however, backed Ciraldo and head of football Phil Gould as they attempt to lift a once-great club out of the doldrums.


The issue has been divisive and it is one I have wrestled with myself. On one hand, I can understand Ciraldo’s stance given the way the Bulldogs have played this year.


Their lack of resilience and mental fortitude has been reflected in the way they have capitulated on a weekly basis.


Hard work is non-negotiable with great teams and great players. Legendary quarterback Tom Brady was notorious for it. After one defeat, having caught a private flight with the team back to New England and then a shuttle bus back to their home base, Brady headed into the stadium as his teammates jumped into their cars and headed home.


It was three o’clock in the morning. Rather than head to bed, Brady wanted to watch the game again. He slept at the stadium and was still there when his teammates arrived in the morning.


Tiger Woods’ former coach Hank Haney waxed lyrical about the former world No.1’s training regimen. He called it digging in the dirt. Woods’ day started at 6am and didn’t finish until the sun was going down. He won 15 majors and may be the greatest player that ever lived.


Michael Jordan took every loss as a personal insult, whether it was at training or in a game. He was tough on his teammates – one went to see a psychiatrist to better learn how to deal with Jordan – but even more so on himself.

Being on time for training is non-negotiable. As one current player put it, turning up late for shows no respect to your teammates, let alone your coach and the club. If you’re late off the field, you will be late on it.


Yet there must be better ways than telling a bloke to get to his knees and take on his teammates one by one. Cultural change can’t start by embarrassing players to the point where they have no desire to return.


Maybe legendary Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson summed it up best.


“You don’t get the best out of people by hitting them with an iron rod.” he wrote in his book ‘Leading’.


“You do so by gaining their respect, getting them accustomed to triumphs and convincing them that they are capable of improving their performance.


“I cannot think of any manager who succeeded for any length of time by presiding over a reign


of terror. It turns out that the two most powerful words in the English language are, ‘Well done’.”


If anything, the past week has further highlighted the job confronting Ciraldo. Gould has backed his coach but it seems hard to believe he has a grasp on what is happening at the club given he isn’t always at games and is often distracted by his commentary commitments with the Nine Network.


The club is basically in his hands yet he isn’t always on the ground. Even so, chair John Khoury seems happy to let Gould take charge. His future is tied to Gould’s ability to turn the club around and whispers continue that he will face a challenge in February when election day arrives.


It certainly seems hard to believe Bulldogs fans would be happy with the current progress of their club. By then, we should know how this has all played out. The game will no doubt have moved on. Let’s hope the Bulldogs and their player have as well.
No it is a BS article.
Reign of terror?
If the game has moved on he should tell Robinson, Fittler, Joey and a multitude of others including former players.
Golf, Soccer and basketball are not contact sports like NRL.
Brent Read went to the DT and is now trying to prove himself.
Being Woke on that rag is surely against the grain.
 

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No it is a BS article.
Reign of terror?
If the game has moved on he should tell Robinson, Fittler, Joey and a multitude of others including former players.
Golf, Soccer and basketball are not contact sports like NRL.
Brent Read went to the DT and is now trying to prove himself.
Being Woke on that rag is surely against the grain.
Just thought it was an interesting read..basically points out that success is achieved through hard work and discipline which is what CC is trying to do.
 

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Of course the piece of shit had to end it with shots at Gus to please his drunk master....
 

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I’m starting to think that someone is not happy at the bulldogs hmmmmm.
 

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I will say it again and have it on solid authority. He turned up to training late and the boys were already in a wrestling session in the gym. At the conclusion of the session he was asked to wrestle another 10 players. It's a nothing in the scheme of things but obviously someone got in his head
 

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A Bulldogs training ground incident has driven one of their own away and split the game asunder. BRENT READ digs into the issue and the ramifications for the club.
a former player
a current player
Never name the source and use vague generic terms to get lots of clicks. I reckon I could write an article for the paper using their formula. Put information about "an incident" out there, one that has the potential to "divide the game", mention that we have "former and current" players with differing views ( the former player is the one who agrees, the current player is the one who disagrees). Criticize the general manager of a club for "not knowing what is happening under his watch" Acknowledge that being late to training is a no no but say the punishment is too severe or not suitable as it is embarrassing without offering an opinion on what would be okay.

How many more of these articles are we going to have addressing this incident? Are each of the authors going to keep pushing this until we all start to believe and agree with them. It is embarrassing that they are continuing with this, something they take our club to task for...embarrassing a player. As far as we have been told this happened ONCE to this player yet this drivel being peddled by certain media personalities is doing nothing to limit the embarrassment, instead people are taking to guessing who was involved and forming all sorts of opinions.


******** On re-reading the article I was unable to ascertain as to whether or not the players who gave their opinions were from other clubs or in fact from the Dogs
 
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Morris went on to say the complaints over training are a generational problems, claiming "this generation want to get paid as much as they possibly can for doing as little as they possibly can".

SPOT FKN ON!
Entitled generation although doesn’t help when players are pampered and have everything done for them.
Happy to say my 20 year old son is the exact opposite has no time for the entitled c@&ts must get it from his old man lol.
 

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I read where some commentator called Andrew Webster was calling for the NRL to investigate the punishment even though he was aware the wrestling only went for 3 and a half minutes. Oh because the club apparently knew the player had previous mental health issues.

Maybe the NRL should launch an investigation into every time a player over the last 100 years was forced to do an extra 10 push ups as a form of punishment. Maybe the army should investigate every training drill commander who handed out punishment. I've seen worse punishments handed out to celebrity contestants on SAS Australia and most of them have mental health conditions. Day one they had to fist fight each other. Some women against men. Why doesn't anyone complain about that ? Oh that's right it's because we know they signed up mostly aware this type of stuff is going to happen to them - EXACTLY as this player was aware of training type drills when he signed up as an NRL player. He signed to put his body on the line as his coach demanded. That's what he's paid for. If he's can't meet the demands of the job he signed on for he should seek employment in a totally different industry where they hold your hand, not punish your body at every turn.

Everyone inside the game will know who the player is and think he's as soft as f..k now. He's unlikely to get picked up by anyone. He's f..ked himself
 
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