What if we have another bad start to the season?

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This is a genuine question, What do we say happens if we have another slow start to the first half of the season just like previous? Will we finally bite the bullet? I look forward to hearing your opinions on this
If we play like we did against the Sharks trial, we will have a similar season. Pay needs to bite the bullet if so.
 

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Are they going to resign KieranForan? If so, it must be on much less than what he’s currently on. He’s so injury prone, I would pay 500-600k max.
The day his contract is up piss the **** off, I wouldn't care if he was willing to take a massive pay cut, hopefully we all can be there when he walks out the door, guaranteed he'll end up back with Hasler.
 

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It does indeed. Just not the player he once was. We went for him time and time again, and got him when he had no other options.
Did you actually watch him at the end of last season, he killed it, the team is just so much better when he is on the field. I genuinely believe that if he had played just a couple more games we would have made the 8. Then gone some way in the finals. When he is playing like that he’s worth every bit of the $1m a season.

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Did you actually watch him at the end of last season, he killed it, the team is just so much better when he is on the field. I genuinely believe that if he had played just a couple more games we would have made the 8. Then gone some way in the finals. When he is playing like that he’s worth every bit of the $1m a season.

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Lol, I remember saying sort of what you did last year an got grilled once or twice haha , problem is his body ain’t up to it nowadays.
 

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Did you actually watch him at the end of last season, he killed it, the team is just so much better when he is on the field. I genuinely believe that if he had played just a couple more games we would have made the 8. Then gone some way in the finals. When he is playing like that he’s worth every bit of the $1m a season.

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We all know that he is a good player but his body just isn't up to it anymore.
 

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We all know that he is a good player but his body just isn't up to it anymore.
It’s a common line trotted out often but I can’t see any basis in it. An ankle syndesmosis has absolutely nothing to do with a dislocated shoulder. It’s not like he keeps injuring the same thing every time, it took 2 big guys falling on his ankle to cause the former, RFM did his ankle syndesmosis pretty much on his own. The previously injured left shoulder appears not to have been properly managed which made a not uncommon dislocation more complicated to fix. Noting that Slater had exactly the same issue which was fixed by exactly the same specialist as Foran this time. The fact is he isn’t tearing the same hammy every time, or bursting ACL’s or fracturing the same bones time after time. They are 2 completely different, unrelated injuries.

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If we resign Foran knowing it's likely he'll play one half to one third of our NRL games on a reduced contract, 400-500k, I don't see why fans would be so against it. You're going to be more upset when he goes to Manly or another club and is injury free and playing like a 1m half. Unless we can pick up a half on contract there isn't anyone available. Pay's current half order is Lewis > Cogger > Wakeham. I'd personally bump Wakeham above Cogger. I don't have an issue with keeping Lewis and Wakeham back up to Foran for another one to two years post 2020. We have Thompson coming in, if we're able to sign another strike winger or centre (JAC would be great) the main areas left to recruit are hooker and half (little to no options available off contract). We really need Meaney to have a big year (I think he can play wing or centre in the future) too otherwise we're going to need to recruit there too.
 
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If we resign Foran knowing it's likely he'll play one half to one third of our NRL games on a reduced contract, 400-500k, I don't see why fans would be so against it. You're going to be more upset when he goes to Manly or another club and is injury free and playing like a 1m half. Unless we can pick up a half on contract there isn't anyone available. Pay's current half order is Lewis > Cogger > Wakeham. I'd personally bump Wakeham above Cogger. I don't have an issue with keeping Lewis and Wakeham back up to Foran for another one to two years post 2020.
I think Pay’s current order is Wakeham > Lewis > Cogger, guess we will find out soon enough.

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It’s a common line trotted out often but I can’t see any basis in it. An ankle syndesmosis has absolutely nothing to do with a dislocated shoulder. It’s not like he keeps injuring the same thing every time, it took 2 big guys falling on his ankle to cause the former, RFM did his ankle syndesmosis pretty much on his own. The previously injured left shoulder appears not to have been properly managed which made a not uncommon dislocation more complicated to fix. Noting that Slater had exactly the same issue which was fixed by exactly the same specialist as Foran this time. The fact is he isn’t tearing the same hammy every time, or bursting ACL’s or fracturing the same bones time after time. They are 2 completely different, unrelated injuries.

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It’s a common line trotted out often but I can’t see any basis in it. An ankle syndesmosis has absolutely nothing to do with a dislocated shoulder. It’s not like he keeps injuring the same thing every time, it took 2 big guys falling on his ankle to cause the former, RFM did his ankle syndesmosis pretty much on his own. The previously injured left shoulder appears not to have been properly managed which made a not uncommon dislocation more complicated to fix. Noting that Slater had exactly the same issue which was fixed by exactly the same specialist as Foran this time. The fact is he isn’t tearing the same hammy every time, or bursting ACL’s or fracturing the same bones time after time. They are 2 completely different, unrelated injuries.

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Are you serious? You say "the fact is he isn't tearing the same hammy every time".

Thanks for the laughs lol.

They are repeated injuries throughout his career mostly related to Hamstrings. In fact seven hammy injuries since 2009 (see link below). How many hammy's does Foran have for him not to be tearing the same ones?

Is this injury listing not enough to prove he is a liability?

https://www.racingandsports.com/amp...eran-forans-luckless-nrl-injury-record/501880
 

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Are you serious? You say "the fact is he isn't tearing the same hammy every time".
Thanks for the laughs lol.
They are repeated injuries throughout his career mostly related to Hamstrings. In fact seven hammy injuries since 2009 (see link below). How many hammy's does Foran have for him not to be tearing the same ones?
Is this injury listing not enough to prove he is a liability?
https://www.racingandsports.com/amp...eran-forans-luckless-nrl-injury-record/501880
Nice try, why isn't he playing this weekend, is it a hammy? No, it's a dislocated shoulder.
When was the last time he missed a game due to a hammy? That would be 2017, 2 years ago, because the problem with his back, that was root cause the of the hammy problems, was fixed in 2017/18.
How many games has he missed for us because of a hammy? That would be none, zero, zilch, diddly squat, SFA.

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Nice try, why isn't he playing this weekend, is it a hammy? No, it's a dislocated shoulder.
When was the last time he missed a game due to a hammy? That would be 2017, 2 years ago, because the problem with his back, that was root cause the of the hammy problems, was fixed in 2017/18.
How many games has he missed for us because of a hammy? That would be none, zero, zilch, diddly squat, SFA.

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Go watch the Sharks replay from last year and tell me what happens as Foran sets up the DWZ try........
 
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If we resign Foran knowing it's likely he'll play one half to one third of our NRL games on a reduced contract, 400-500k, I don't see why fans would be so against it. You're going to be more upset when he goes to Manly or another club and is injury free and playing like a 1m half. Unless we can pick up a half on contract there isn't anyone available. Pay's current half order is Lewis > Cogger > Wakeham. I'd personally bump Wakeham above Cogger. I don't have an issue with keeping Lewis and Wakeham back up to Foran for another one to two years post 2020. We have Thompson coming in, if we're able to sign another strike winger or centre (JAC would be great) the main areas left to recruit are hooker and half (little to no options available off contract). We really need Meaney to have a big year (I think he can play wing or centre in the future) too otherwise we're going to need to recruit there too.
I suppose there's 2 sides to this. One is Foran adds value when there the other is how much of a disruption being in and out of the side.

Funnily enough I was thinking earlier, if Cogger and Wakeham work out what will Pay do when Foran is back from injury.

Foran is ideal to have around the club but his stubbornness about wanting to continue to play means he probably doesn't accept a coaching role.
 

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A fit Foran has a lot to offer. If he gets re-signed on a more modest contract I won't complain. But nor will I complain if he's allowed to move on. A big part of the decision will hinge on how well our young halves go this year. I can't see too many better options available to improve our halves.

Injury is part and parcel of the way he plays. I'd rather a player that gets injured when having a go, than someone like Mbye who remained largely injury free because he waited for the game to come to him.

He was recruited by a board desperate for a big name signing to save their jobs. Hopefully this board continues to make astute signings rather than panicked buys because a portion of the fans are complaining. A lot of people still think established stars are the only way forward. But CHN wasn't among the first selected for rep games at the time we signed him. He's probably kicked on the most of our signings while rebuilding. But we'll be in a better position to make more signings once our cap issues are sorted.

Even Cogger and Meaney were pretty decent acquisitions given that the board only started in their roles after the bulk of talent had been locked up. We didn't get any huge names for this year. But time will tell if Stimson, Britt and Katoa are going to justify their signings.

Hopefully we defy expectations and become a title threat this year with a roster that many people think is awful. I see a club like Melbourne that can often recruit relatively unknown players that shine with better players around them. We may not have a big three like Melbourne did, but I think we've recruited wisely over the past two years. If a few key players step up we can be very competitive.
 

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Nice try, why isn't he playing this weekend, is it a hammy? No, it's a dislocated shoulder.
When was the last time he missed a game due to a hammy? That would be 2017, 2 years ago, because the problem with his back, that was root cause the of the hammy problems, was fixed in 2017/18.
How many games has he missed for us because of a hammy? That would be none, zero, zilch, diddly squat, SFA.

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Haha... twinturbo it is so called supporters like you that can't look at the big picture. Knowing you, you'd sign him up again lol
 
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Go watch the Sharks replay from last year and tell me what happens as Foran sets up the DWZ try........
Spoonman careful now, twinturbo won't like you stating the facts lol
 
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Haha... it is so called supporters like you that can't look at the big picture. Knowing you, you'd sign him up again lol
If you have 20 different injuries you're not injury prone because it's different problems each time, smh.

I get being positive but at some stage some supporters also need to be realistic.
 

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Foran will not be at the club next year while Pay is coach as they don’t get along at all.
 

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If we resign Foran knowing it's likely he'll play one half to one third of our NRL games on a reduced contract, 400-500k, I don't see why fans would be so against it. You're going to be more upset when he goes to Manly or another club and is injury free and playing like a 1m half. Unless we can pick up a half on contract there isn't anyone available. Pay's current half order is Lewis > Cogger > Wakeham. I'd personally bump Wakeham above Cogger. I don't have an issue with keeping Lewis and Wakeham back up to Foran for another one to two years post 2020. We have Thompson coming in, if we're able to sign another strike winger or centre (JAC would be great) the main areas left to recruit are hooker and half (little to no options available off contract). We really need Meaney to have a big year (I think he can play wing or centre in the future) too otherwise we're going to need to recruit there too.
My only question is what halves are potentially out there to get?
 

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If you have 20 different injuries you're not injury prone because it's different problems each time, smh.

I get being positive but at some stage some supporters also need to be realistic.
Comments like these annoy the crap out of me. The 'so called supporters' line.

We're ALL supporters, but we just support in different ways. Sure, I'd love for everyone to get behind the team but at the same time they need something to get behind. You can't just ask the supporter gruop to shoulder the responsibility for it all the time. If the team puts in and starts performing. If the coach gives us belief in what he's doing. If we start winning things. I think you'll find more of the supporters you're looking for @Novdoggie
 
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