Warren Smith is 100% right

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I listened to our new CEO Andrew Hill, who I believe was truly upset and disenchanted by what happened yesterday. In his words it was completely unacceptable on all levels with an absolute agreement from our coach on that one in particular. He put it to us that as fans we should expect more, we have the right to demand a better performance but also thanked us for our efforts in actually attending the meeting. Josh Jackson did well to front the crowd and unreservedly apologized for what happened. Yes, they are only words, but from all involved they were said in an absolute and heartfelt manner.
Have to remember a player isn't going to rubbish their boss at a work event.

You are right though, they are only words. We've heard many of them used coming to the end of Clowntown (the previous regime), and the current mob. However words mean nothing without action.

Much like Moses Mbye.... you can talk all you want, but sooner or later your actions have to back up those words.

Until such time as words spoken are words actioned, some fans have every right to be questioning things.

So next week I'd expect we compete for 80 and come out absolutely firing. If we have a repeat performance then you have to question if perhaps everyone is saying what they are told to say, rather than what they want to say.
 

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Exactly, you can't say what Pay has done well because it's nothing.
Gave Rhyse Martin, Renouf To’omaga and John Olive their debuts?

Gave your mate Tualau a go and he was fucking rubbish.

Punted Lichaa when he was doing his usual shit....ditto Eastwood.

There’s 6 things right there, do you not agree?
 
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Guys, as fans of the club we are all really hurting at the moment. Let me tell you that yesterday watching at the ground live it was the most I have ever been disengaged from a game, not even some of the really poor lean years in the early 2000 put me in such a blue funk. It was frankly embarrassing and the crowd reaction said it all. No noise when the Tits scored due to the few fans they had there and mostly silence throughout from supporters of our own club. The inkling of a team being booed from the field at half time but not really, mostly just a distinct lack of enthusiasm.

It was one that was there for the winning and the way we played the Tits should have put at least double the score they did on us. Heck let's be realistic ANY other side that is travelling well would have put considerably more on us.We were poor in all facets of the game and it was patently obvious that everything that is happening at the club at this point in time is having a very detrimental affect on the playing squad.Yes, the side really resembled something that should have been in Intrust but circumstances made that happen.

Went to the fan forum last night at the club after the game and I was absolutely fuming, ready to really rip in to the players, the board, the CEO even the ball boys....don't get me wrong I am still so upset by the efforts of yesterday at this point in time, but on reflection I realise fully that the deep, deep shit we are in will be with us for several more seasons to come and the really hard decisions will still be with us for a while yet. I listened to our new CEO Andrew Hill, who I believe was truly upset and disenchanted by what happened yesterday. In his words it was completely unacceptable on all levels with an absolute agreement from our coach on that one in particular. He put it to us that as fans we should expect more, we have the right to demand a better performance but also thanked us for our efforts in actually attending the meeting. Josh Jackson did well to front the crowd and unreservedly apologized for what happened. Yes, they are only words, but from all involved they were said in an absolute and heartfelt manner. They really do know they stuffed up, they really do know that we are not forgiving of their efforts yesterday and that they will have to work hard to regain our full support and trust. I felt marginally better at the end of proceedings but nonetheless still unhappy. The players did not dodge anyone and I could not help but say to them that although I was unhappy and pissed at them that it would be nice to know exactly how they were feeling about what has been happening. The overwhelming impression I got from their comments was that they are frustrated and perhaps a bit broken but genuinely wanting to do much better. All they can do is regroup, get back into training and try again. How successful they will be for the remainder of the year is anyone's guess but all I ask for as a fan is that they do the best they can and put in the hard yards. On a positive J MOz is looking to be back for our game against the Raiders at Belmore in three weeks time.

Although we have won only two games this year, with a little bit more luck ( honestly don't know if that is the correct word but the only one I can think of) we could have had at least another six wins this year. We have been very close but fallen short at the last minute, that in itself is frustrating.

Big Willie Mason put it succinctly yesterday when he said to all and sundry in the crowd that what is happening needs to be taken into context; all the issues we are having at the moment were the full responsibility of those in control over the last few years; the salary cap woes, the lopsided roster, the Aaron Woods crap ( his words) and the overriding one THE SHIT that Des left us in.... He used the word WE on all occasions and it seems that even though he left us he still has overriding feelings for the club and its fans. Genuine disgust at the direction this club has taken but hope and belief that we can return to the glory days sooner rather than later. Asked for belief and trust in the days ahead.

We all have our varied opinions in relation to the intelligence and success of our newest coach and I respect that, but I am one of those who believe Pay should be persisted with, given an adequate chance to prove his worth and his ability. He is not to blame for the squad he has to work with, that rests with the previous management and he is certainly not to blame for the knock ons and missed tackles on field.He does have control of team selections but only within the guidelines given him by the NRL. He rides the highs and lows with us and he is struggling with things at the moment and it is completely understandable, he has the best interests of all concerned at heart but outside influences have let him down. It is like a formula one driver who has a poor pit crew to work with or an inferior car, these things can be worked on and at the moment the club is working to try and fix things but it will not happen as I have said overnight. We are not going to be in a position to be able to offer deals to off contract stars unless they want unders to come to us. We need to be smart and look outside the box in contracting and selecting suitable players to see us through the next few years. It will be interesting to see exactly which development player will be called into the Top 30 for the rest of the year to replace Mbye.

Enough of club matters and something more about yesterday.

I inwardly groaned when the first try was scored. Absolute gem of a play ;they had it in mind to aim Proctor full bore at our weak side and then after all was said and done and he broke the line no effort from our departing fullback at all to stop him. That happened twice. Our departing fullback who at times wandered aimlessly at the back, no communication to his players in front of him ( in stark contrast to the two fullbacks who played earlier in the day, Blake Clayton in Jersey Flegg and Josh Bergamin in Intrust who were consistently barking orders and arranging their defensive lines with the look of a Roman general ordering his troops into battle). Yep, those two sides lost as well but not through lack of trying. Flegg held the Panthers to nil for around 45 minutes ( the club leading the comp too) and lost by two points ( much to our dismay could have been a draw as we missed a sitter within the first five or so minutes which proved costly). Intrust fell similarly short and due to a big reshuffle with players being moved in and out of the squad were a bit disjointed.

Honestly, I find it hard to bag out a player who wears the blue and white but here was a guy who was touted as something special, who has been at the club since 2011 and has never really been able to stake his claim in any position he has filled and as we all know they have been many ( centre, half, five eighth, hooker, fullback) in true meaning a jack of all trades but master of none.

Good luck to the Tigers who have felt that they can offer a contract to him exceeding the one we had given ......good luck in getting an effort commensurate with the level of pay.That is the disappointing thing about it all ;value for money. Might have been happy to entertain persisting with him for a while longer if he was not on so much money but I sort of am of the opinion that he has had five years in the top grade to prove himself in some way and it probably ain't gonna happen. As a front line player and supposedly a superstar in the making he has scored a total of 17 tries ( including 1 yesterday) in all his appearances for us. Will mean some shuffling for the coach but hopefully a younger pup can come up and fill the gap with a bit more enthusiasm and pizzazz.
Thanks for posting a bit about the aftermath... i was at the game, took my young nephew and stayed to the end for him to run on the field. Didn't really want to sit through that garbage but wanted him to remember something good about belmore.

It sounds like you agree with most of TK in that Dib and Des have royally screwed this club. Just wanted to know if anyone called Willie out on supporting Dib through the elections. We all knew that Dib stuffed up big time, yet heres Willie saying "Dib is a true bulldog, get behind him blah blah". Sounded to me like Dib was going to look after Willie in some way or another.
 

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Gave Rhyse Martin, Renouf To’omaga and John Olive their debuts?

Gave your mate Tualau a go and he was fucking rubbish.

Punted Lichaa when he was doing his usual shit....ditto Eastwood.

There’s 6 things right there, do you not agree?
Tualau was reasonably good off the bench at the backend of last season yet was a massive flop this year, that's on Pay and his shit coaching. Literally every player in our squad has gone backwards under him, he needs to go.

Those decisions are are blatantly obvious ones to make and he shouldn't be congratulated on making them. He still fucked it up anyway with his brain dead tactics and use of players.
 

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Tualau was reasonably good off the bench at the backend of last season yet was a massive flop this year, that's on Pay and his shit coaching. Literally every player in our squad has gone backwards under him, he needs to go.

Those decisions are are blatantly obvious ones to make and he shouldn't be congratulated on making them. He still fucked it up anyway with his brain dead tactics and use of players.
Yeah, but you said he’s got nothing right, I’m saying he’s made some good decisions in dropping/promoting guys.
 

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*puts hand up* I used to absolutely give it to Castle... but those that criticise me quickly forget that.

Heck I got criticised a number of times about having something against woman in positions of power.

I kept saying at the time, I don't have anything against her being female, just about her being fucking hopeless. Rather than get something and act on it, she'd get something and palm it off to someone else. Total paper shuffler.

Fast forward to today, and here we are... I was right.

People reckon I have it in for the new board. I don't (and that's the honest truth)....

I DO disagree with how they are going about things and that has had a knock on effect to the playing group.
I DO have concerns about how unprofessional things are being approached, and that continues to be the case.

All this will impact our ability to recruit in the future, because players will have niggling concerns about their contracts being honoured.

We do need a gigantic reset button, but we don't have that option.

One does have to ponder the question though, if Tweedledee, Tweedledumb, and Tweedledumbest were still in command, would our current situation be worse or better... because at the end of the day the fans really don't give a shit who is running what behind closed doors... all they care about is success on the field.

Currently we are 3 wins from 14 games. This time last year we were 6 wins from 14 games.

Hows that for perspective!
i see alot of people get defensive about themselves with the common theme of 'apparently you cant criticise her becayuse shes a woman, but i never liked her and told y'all, doesnt mean i hate women' BUT im yet to see anyone who's truly disagreed and told off someone for criticising her.

Everyones getting defensive to a non existent attack.
 

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Thanks for posting a bit about the aftermath... i was at the game, took my young nephew and stayed to the end for him to run on the field. Didn't really want to sit through that garbage but wanted him to remember something good about belmore.

It sounds like you agree with most of TK in that Dib and Des have royally screwed this club. Just wanted to know if anyone called Willie out on supporting Dib through the elections. We all knew that Dib stuffed up big time, yet heres Willie saying "Dib is a true bulldog, get behind him blah blah". Sounded to me like Dib was going to look after Willie in some way or another.
Got him his life meembership..not sure if any brown paper bags to go with it.
 

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Gave Rhyse Martin, Renouf To’omaga and John Olive their debuts?

Gave your mate Tualau a go and he was fucking rubbish.

Punted Lichaa when he was doing his usual shit....ditto Eastwood.

There’s 6 things right there, do you not agree?
He gave those players a start only because of injuries and not for their abilities.

Giving toomaga tualau and other junior forwards 10-15mins a game and expecting miracles is the same shit Hasler did for years with RFM, and it doesn't help their development. Look at how good RFM this year when finally is given more consistent game time.
As for Martin, last time I checked he didn't pick him, but chose Elliot and priest over him. Great coaching.

Punted lichaa and replaced him with a megaflop in JMK, he plays shit but gets rewarded with 5/8 position where he is even worse. He could have put mbye at 5/8 and put bmoz or hoppa at fullback.

And this genius of a coach has an ISP standard winger as a bench player to come on at hooker when we have 5 fucking hookers at the club. Genius once again.

Give tualau more than 5-10mins a game and watch how good he could be.
 

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You never let the truth interfere with a good story. To'omaga and Taulau are average at best. They would only get a start because of injuries. They are gap fillers.
Lichaa was playing at less than ISP standard and something had to be done. JMK was his choice. There wasnt any others in the top 30 as hookers.
Elliott is a better player that Martin. Cant argue about Priest. Holland has been very good from the bench. He can and has filled quite a few gaps.
 

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He gave those players a start only because of injuries and not for their abilities.

Giving toomaga tualau and other junior forwards 10-15mins a game and expecting miracles is the same shit Hasler did for years with RFM, and it doesn't help their development. Look at how good RFM this year when finally is given more consistent game time.
As for Martin, last time I checked he didn't pick him, but chose Elliot and priest over him. Great coaching.

Punted lichaa and replaced him with a megaflop in JMK, he plays shit but gets rewarded with 5/8 position where he is even worse. He could have put mbye at 5/8 and put bmoz or hoppa at fullback.

And this genius of a coach has an ISP standard winger as a bench player to come on at hooker when we have 5 fucking hookers at the club. Genius once again.

Give tualau more than 5-10mins a game and watch how good he could be.
Tualau - ha ha - watched him at Belmore on the weekend and the bloke is lucky to be in Reggies but you want him to be in first grade?

Who gave RFM big minutes this year? Yes, it was Pay, so you sort of discredited your own argument there....

And I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but Elliott has been one of our better forwards for the last 4 weeks.

Also, you were banging on about how good John Olive was - how’d you think he went on the weekend?

I’m not a Pay lover that’s for sure and some of his decisions do puzzle me, but the bloke is giving blokes a go (injuries or not) and it’s just not working out....this season is just a write-off - even being at The Belmore game on the weekend, Bullfrogs birthday, lots of old Dogs there, there was 0 atmosphere and you can tell the majority of fans don’t give a fuck about this year...
 

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i see alot of people get defensive about themselves with the common theme of 'apparently you cant criticise her becayuse shes a woman, but i never liked her and told y'all, doesnt mean i hate women' BUT im yet to see anyone who's truly disagreed and told off someone for criticising her.

Everyones getting defensive to a non existent attack.
Because everyone knows there are weak, snowflake motherfuckers everywhere that would rather label you something rather than challenge your statement.

State of this fucking world these days
 

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Tualau - ha ha - watched him at Belmore on the weekend and the bloke is lucky to be in Reggies but you want him to be in first grade?

Who gave RFM big minutes this year? Yes, it was Pay, so you sort of discredited your own argument there....

And I know it doesn’t suit your narrative, but Elliott has been one of our better forwards for the last 4 weeks.

Also, you were banging on about how good John Olive was - how’d you think he went on the weekend?

I’m not a Pay lover that’s for sure and some of his decisions do puzzle me, but the bloke is giving blokes a go (injuries or not) and it’s just not working out....this season is just a write-off - even being at The Belmore game on the weekend, Bullfrogs birthday, lots of old Dogs there, there was 0 atmosphere and you can tell the majority of fans don’t give a fuck about this year...
When Elliot is one of the better forwards then you know the club is in serious trouble.

Rfm didn't look as good as he does now when he was in ISP or given a 10min spell under Hasler but he always had the skills.

Tualau is the same and needs more than a small spell when given a chance in 1st grade. He could be shit or he could be a future prospect. Until Pay learns how to use his bench and utilise his juniors better they aren't going to set the world on fire.

As for Olive, it doesn't help when u have the world's worst winger outside him. How did Olive go previous to these games when he had Bmoz outside him.... Hmmm yeah I thought so...
 

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Tualau was reasonably good off the bench at the backend of last season yet was a massive flop this year, that's on Pay and his shit coaching. Literally every player in our squad has gone backwards under him, he needs to go.

Those decisions are are blatantly obvious ones to make and he shouldn't be congratulated on making them. He still fucked it up anyway with his brain dead tactics and use of players.
Morris Boys have been better this year than in the previous years, a lot better

Lichaa is still shit as he was when he first came to the club, which means it has nothing to do with coaching.

Tualau is a fat bastard and has always been junk
 

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He wasn't.
Marley you death rode the bloke until he left. Ok, he was a spastic who ran sideways and started tripping other players but boy did he give the team energy and sometimes came up with miracle plays. In hindsight getting rid of Reynolds and bringing in Foran was a downgrade.
 

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Marley you death rode the bloke until he left. Ok, he was a spastic who ran sideways and started tripping other players but boy did he give the team energy and sometimes came up with miracle plays. In hindsight getting rid of Reynolds and bringing in Foran was a downgrade.
And i never wanted Foran to replace him so what's your point?
 

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And i never wanted Foran to replace him so what's your point?
Just adding to speedy's comments.
My point is you have very harsh judgment. Take it easy a little.

As long as we don't have any scumbags and liars at our club and everyone involved in running the club has the clubs best interest first, then I am very happy to be patient during this rebuild and go along on the ride.
 

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Why? Same eople continue to bag our players, former coach, former CEO and former chairman...why can't i bag the bloke that's currently in charge and looks absolutely useless?

What exactly do you want him to do?

The choice of Holland on the bench is so dumb for me and not playing brown in the halves but besides tjat you need to explain why his so bad?
 
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