V'Landys will destroy NRL by adding more teams

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I lived in Melbourne and country Victoria for 15 years
Left about 10 year ago.
There is no interest for league.
State of origin games as soon as the final whistle was blown, that was the end of the coverage.
Everyone I worked with winged cause why the fuck do they have to put up with that shit rugby league 8pm on a Wednesday night on their TV. Im talking SOO, so called pinacle of NRL. They simply don't want any of it.
I remember living country VIC Id have to stay up late till after the AFL games were done to watch the delayed NRL matches on free to air.
Kids don't play league in the parks. Newspapers rarely have NRL content. The media aren't interested because why would they be, there is simply no demand.
People just aren't interested, mostly they hate the sport.
I would add to that, the general sporting media in Melbourne that dares to give any coverage to NRL (or Soccer) gets ostracised by the AFL. Any negative media coverage is heavily frowned upon by the AFL. They cut them off, they cancel their AFL media accreditation, they are removed from any invited media lists and the AFL contacts their managing editors and informs them that they are persona non grata. Schools are similar, any that even consider playing league get no AFL support, no player visits, no guest coaching, no funding, are cut off completely. Similar treatment for councils that consider building square football grounds or heaven forbid put up non AFL goal posts. They have a legal team with part of their responsibility to challenge any attempts to build, buy or convert facilities that in any way advantage league or soccer. They fought the construction of AAMI Park for 6 years using every legal tactic available.

The AFL are ruthless in protecting their turf, they will and do take action against anyone who threatens their monopoly.


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Not enough NRL level talent to cover for 2 more teams imo.. will dilute the comp..

The big wigs just thinking about TV money with more games to broadcast..
 

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Not enough NRL level talent to cover for 2 more teams imo.. will dilute the comp..

The big wigs just thinking about TV money with more games to broadcast..
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Still these international games, there not all superstars but im still watching games, more the merrier. So expansion is a good thing.
 

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Not enough NRL level talent to cover for 2 more teams imo.. will dilute the comp..

The big wigs just thinking about TV money with more games to broadcast..
The funny thing is that by adding a single team there is no change in the number of matches each week. Yet another well thought out NRL/media decision.

The lack of talent is clearly evident in the spine positions.
 

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The funny thing is that by adding a single team there is no change in the number of matches each week. Yet another well thought out NRL/media decision.

The lack of talent is clearly evident in the spine positions.
Sydney is diluted enough.

Move the tigers to Perth. Then just change the name subtly change their name to WestERN Tigers.

Bring in either a second NZ team, a central coast team or Adelaide again

And leave it there.

I disagree with the notion of player pool being insufficient. There has been a distinct lack of juniors making grade over the last few years due to covid, many of which should be established first graders by now.
 

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The funny thing is that by adding a single team there is no change in the number of matches each week. Yet another well thought out NRL/media decision.

The lack of talent is clearly evident in the spine positions.
True.. if they add one they will add a second team within a few years for sure..
 

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NFI if they must expand, why they dont do it in 2s. No point having an extra side next year as it doesnt increase the number of games they can sell rights to, in fact will probably cost them money to add 1, and they would make more money adding 2? Who thought adding 1 was a good idea? And why? Idiots.
 

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NFI if they must expand, why they dont do it in 2s. No point having an extra side next year as it doesnt increase the number of games they can sell rights to, in fact will probably cost them money to add 1, and they would make more money adding 2? Who thought adding 1 was a good idea? And why? Idiots.
Agree as having an odd number of teams means ALL teams there will be a bye every week.

As I said previously they need to make a 5 year plan into the future for a 14 team competition where every team plays one another twice, home and away, there's your 26 Rounds. Then have a 2nd division competition where the top teams are promoted to the 14 team first division competition and the bottom 2 teams from that division demoted to 2nd division.

Bring in a 2nd New Zealand Team and possibly Melbourne, they do have 2 Sydney teams in the AFL, Perth, Adelaide, PNG and even include The Bears and Newtown in the 2nd Division along with the 3 teams that have been demoted to 2nd Division.

That's expanding the game and at the same time strengthening the quality of the First Grade / Division which will only make the game more attractive to watch then the current blow out scores we so often see in the 16 team comp and soon to be 17 teams.
 

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Agree as having an odd number of teams means ALL teams there will be a bye every week.

As I said previously they need to make a 5 year plan into the future for a 14 team competition where every team plays one another twice, home and away, there's your 26 Rounds. Then have a 2nd division competition where the top teams are promoted to the 14 team first division competition and the bottom 2 teams from that division demoted to 2nd division.

Bring in a 2nd New Zealand Team and possibly Melbourne, they do have 2 Sydney teams in the AFL, Perth, Adelaide, PNG and even include The Bears and Newtown in the 2nd Division along with the 3 teams that have been demoted to 2nd Division.

That's expanding the game and at the same time strengthening the quality of the First Grade / Division which will only make the game more attractive to watch then the current blow out scores we so often see in the 16 team comp and soon to be 17 teams.
There is not enough money to support a 2nd Division. no one will televise it, no media will cover it, no sponsors/advertiser will go anywhere near it, they will be lucky to get 2 men and a dog to games, it will die before it is even born.

Plus no NRL teams will agree with the chance of them being relegated, think about the effect of us getting relegated this year, Parramatta relegated in 2019, Cronulla 2 years before they won the Premiership, or Melbourne relegated in 2011 when they cheated and lost all of their points. Do you really see any team agreeing to it, farkin snowball's chance in hell.

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There is not enough money to support a 2nd Division. no one will televise it, no media will cover it, no sponsors/advertiser will go anywhere near it, they will be lucky to get 2 men and a dog to games, it will die before it is even born.

Plus no NRL teams will agree with the chance of them being relegated, think about the effect of us getting relegated this year, Parramatta relegated in 2019, Cronulla 2 years before they won the Premiership, or Melbourne relegated in 2011 when they cheated and lost all of their points. Do you really see any team agreeing to it, farkin snowball's chance in hell.

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Not sure about the level of support. Pay TV has such an insatiable appetite for product, it been a catalyst for the growth of all sports, including the minor ones. League is tribal, and if clubs like North Sydney and Newtown ran second division teams, their old supporters would reappear.

As far as clubs agreeing with a promotion / relegation system - they don't have to! The clubs that set up the original league in 1908 were ridiculously naive and short-sighted when they failed to lock in their ownership of the competition. Because they failed to do so, the league has become a dictatorship, answerable to nobody. After they tried and failed to remove South Sydney, they introduced a rule whereby every club has to apply every year to be admitted to that year's competition.
 

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Not sure about the level of support. Pay TV has such an insatiable appetite for product, it been a catalyst for the growth of all sports, including the minor ones. League is tribal, and if clubs like North Sydney and Newtown ran second division teams, their old supporters would reappear.

As far as clubs agreeing with a promotion / relegation system - they don't have to! The clubs that set up the original league in 1908 were ridiculously naive and short-sighted when they failed to lock in their ownership of the competition. Because they failed to do so, the league has become a dictatorship, answerable to nobody. After they tried and failed to remove South Sydney, they introduced a rule whereby every club has to apply every year to be admitted to that year's competition.
Newtown and Norths already have 2nd Division Teams, they play in NSW Cup. They have been out of the main game for so long their tribal fans are either dead or too old to attend games.

How well is NSW Cup supported by the media now, so close to zero you would need a micrometer to measure it.

I don’t believe that the NRL currently has the legal right to demote a club to a “2nd Division” even if one existed. There would be enough legal challenges to send the NRL broke if they tried it.

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There is not enough money to support a 2nd Division. no one will televise it, no media will cover it, no sponsors/advertiser will go anywhere near it, they will be lucky to get 2 men and a dog to games, it will die before it is even born.

Plus no NRL teams will agree with the chance of them being relegated, think about the effect of us getting relegated this year, Parramatta relegated in 2019, Cronulla 2 years before they won the Premiership, or Melbourne relegated in 2011 when they cheated and lost all of their points. Do you really see any team agreeing to it, farkin snowball's chance in hell.

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Absolute CRAP!

How the hell do you know it won't work? How do you know NO one will televise it? If they are intertwined into 1st and 2nd Division of course there would be interest in BOTH divisions. "No sponsors/advertisers will go anywhere near it" Once again how do you know, if it hasn't even been tried?

So I take it you'd be happy with 20 teams in the ONE competition with more and more blow out scores. NRL is supporting women's Rugby League, it's televised, marketed and advertised. By comparison the interest in women's Rugby League to the men's is mile apart. So would want more money invested in the women's Rugby League?

The format would make the 1st Division a LOT stronger than the current competition, with multiple blowout scores becoming more frequent each week.

NRL will lose supporters IF they do not change the current format as it has been proven from 1995 that MORE teams only dilutes the overall depth of first grade strength. 20 teams didn't last long as it was proven to be a disaster, yet here we are now heading down that same path at a time when there is NOT enough talent for 16 teams in First Grade let alone 17 or more.

Supporters will eventually walk away from the game if the competition isn't more even than we currently see. More and more fans will be lost to AFL where competition is far more even.
 

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There is more than enough talent in Penrith and Parra plus qld juniors, dont kid yourself saying not enough talent that bullshit.
Many good young ones give up through lack of opportunity, so they focus on working.
 

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There is more than enough talent in Penrith and Parra plus qld juniors, dont kid yourself saying not enough talent that bullshit.
Many good young ones give up through lack of opportunity, so they focus on working.

Juniors to NRL First Grade Level overnight? Please you're F'N joking?
 

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There is more than enough talent in Penrith and Parra plus qld juniors, dont kid yourself saying not enough talent that bullshit.
Many good young ones give up through lack of opportunity, so they focus on working.
If they are that talented why aren't they in First Grade now?

If what you say was true then wouldn't they have more chance if the game expanded by way of a First and 2nd Division competition where they would get their chance.
 

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Juniors to NRL First Grade Level overnight? Please you're F'N joking?
Yep thats right, watch Dolphins signing Isaiya Katoa, you will eat your words with him, Isaiya Yeo was shit the first few years he played, there is a stronger age group coming through aged 17 to 19 years old, you evenly distribute them.
 

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If they are that talented why aren't they in First Grade now?

If what you say was true then wouldn't they have more chance if the game expanded by way of a First and 2nd Division competition where they would get their chance.
Possibly, but sg ball, jersey flegg and nsw and qld cup is their 2nd division at the moment.
 

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Absolute CRAP!

How the hell do you know it won't work? How do you know NO one will televise it? If they are intertwined into 1st and 2nd Division of course there would be interest in BOTH divisions. "No sponsors/advertisers will go anywhere near it" Once again how do you know, if it hasn't even been tried?

So I take it you'd be happy with 20 teams in the ONE competition with more and more blow out scores. NRL is supporting women's Rugby League, it's televised, marketed and advertised. By comparison the interest in women's Rugby League to the men's is mile apart. So would want more money invested in the women's Rugby League?

The format would make the 1st Division a LOT stronger than the current competition, with multiple blowout scores becoming more frequent each week.

NRL will lose supporters IF they do not change the current format as it has been proven from 1995 that MORE teams only dilutes the overall depth of first grade strength. 20 teams didn't last long as it was proven to be a disaster, yet here we are now heading down that same path at a time when there is NOT enough talent for 16 teams in First Grade let alone 17 or more.

Supporters will eventually walk away from the game if the competition isn't more even than we currently see. More and more fans will be lost to AFL where competition is far more even.
20 teams would be fantastic! Play each team once per season, rotate home and away each year. South Island NZ has plenty of talent, their elite juniors currently only have Union to aspire to, they would make a great addition to the player talent pool. PNG are rugby league mad, they are warming up with a team in QLD Cup, NRL is the next step for them. They would add measurably to the junior talent pool. Neither of those 2 is much of a gamble, but who’s next, maybe Perth or a combined Pacific Islands team, could be politically tricky, but their talent pool is immense.

New teams should be added only when they bring new generations of players with them, increasing the number of players along with increasing the number of teams.


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