V'Landys will destroy NRL by adding more teams

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I feel many should care as I've read many posts on here from diehard fans and I'm sure other fans from teams not doing so well, that are losing interest in the code when it is a lopsided competition, with blowout scores and seems to have been the case for a few years now.

Adding more teams only weakens it further and that potentially could turn many fans away from the game and follow one of the 2 Sydney AFL teams which seems to be a far more even competition than the NRL has been in recent years.
There are blowout scores because they are better run clubs. They have better coaches, better training and better roster management. They prepare better and expect to win.
 

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Salary Cap obviously doesn't work when teams have rich powerbrokers behind them to entice players to their club by way of TPA's. Storm have Matt Tripp, Rorters have the "Godfather" N Politis and Souths have Crowe and Packer behind them while the Panthers have the one of if not the biggest Clubs
behind them and strong juniors to help them.

Other clubs can't compete with that, as has been proven for a few years now. More teams has diluted the overall strength of the comp as it only took a few years after they went to 20 teams in 1995 for other teams to fold or merge a few years later.

The Dolphins have a few good signings but overall their squad will take quite a few years to be competitive. They've signed JMK and while he's been good for us he isn't going to win you a comp. He knocked back an offer to stay with us as he didn't want to play second fiddle to Mahoney.

If they announced a new competition in 4 or 5 years with only 12 or 14 teams that would allow everyone to play one another twice, home and away, plus it would strengthen the overall depth of ALL clubs with an increase in the Salary Cap as well with other teams demoted to the 2nd division having a lower cap. It would also allow more time for rep games to played throughout the season or as a stand alone game on the weekend.

Much better for the game overall. Less teams would provide more interest from fans than increasing the competition with more teams and have their season virtually over if they haven't won a game within the first 5 rounds.
I don’t buy this more interest concept. The EPL has 20 teams. You play each team twice. Every game from my perspective as an Arsenal supporter is interesting. The game needs to expand.
 

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Salary Cap obviously doesn't work when teams have rich powerbrokers behind them to entice players to their club by way of TPA's. Storm have Matt Tripp, Rorters have the "Godfather" N Politis and Souths have Crowe and Packer behind them while the Panthers have the one of if not the biggest Clubs behind them and strong juniors to help them.

Other clubs can't compete with that, as has been proven for a few years now. More teams has diluted the overall strength of the comp as it only took a few years after they went to 20 teams in 1995 for other teams to fold or merge a few years later.

The Dolphins have a few good signings but overall their squad will take quite a few years to be competitive. They've signed JMK and while he's been good for us he isn't going to win you a comp. He knocked back an offer to stay with us as he didn't want to play second fiddle to Mahoney.

If they announced a new competition in 4 or 5 years with only 12 or 14 teams that would allow everyone to play one another twice, home and away, plus it would strengthen the overall depth of ALL clubs with an increase in the Salary Cap as well with other teams demoted to the 2nd division having a lower cap. It would also allow more time for rep games to played throughout the season or as a stand alone game on the weekend.

Much better for the game overall. Less teams would provide more interest from fans than increasing the competition with more teams and have their season virtually over if they haven't won a game within the first 5 rounds.
Your argument is defeated by the fact that players left Storm this year and more are leaving Storm next year. If they have got such strong TPA’s then why would they leave?
 

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We don’t need more teams in the current format it weakens the competition as was evident back in ‘95.

Yes introduce new teams but have a first & 2nd division where the top team from division 2 is promoted and the bottom team from division one is demoted.

Makes for a stronger competition than the one we currently have now and has been for a few years.
I would be interested in a second division but it would be very difficult to sustain. How could a club support a team in the second division - no spectator revenue, no tv revenue and huge costs.
 

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You must not have boys playing junior league, more teams means more chances, alot of good players do miss out or give up also.
The more the better. Also more to watch.
Yes I agree. I have boys in the system and have seen so much talent lost because there are limited opportunities. There is only a small window for development and making it in the NRL. It’s a tough career decision pursuing an NRL dream.
 

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There is an endless list of things in the world that we believe are wrong. which is all very well, but of no use whatsoever without a better alternative.

I’ve given an alternative that I believe is better than adding more teams to an already long season that will only further dilute the overall talent. There just isn’t enough legitimate first grade players even now as has been proven over the last 4 to 5 years.

If you’re happy seeing the same each and every year then you must be easily pleased as many supporters of underperforming teams are sick and tired of seeing the same teams dominating.
The teams that are dominating are better prepared. They have a business plan that works towards development, retention and recruitment of players so that they can field the most competitive side each week. It’s not the Panthers problem that the Dogs are a basket case. Storm and Panthers would excel in a 10 team competition.
 

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We would be in the second division then
Would that be such a catastrophe?

Leigh Centurians were struggling to win a match in the English Super League last year, and they were relegated. This year they are top of the Challenge Cup (Second Division when you strip away the B/S) and they have won their first trophy in donkey's years - the 1895 Cup! The fans (and there are plenty of them) don't care that it is a lower grade competition, they are just happy to be winning.
 

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Would that be such a catastrophe?

Leigh Centurians were struggling to win a match in the English Super League last year, and they were relegated. This year they are top of the Challenge Cup (Second Division when you strip away the B/S) and they have won their first trophy in donkey's years - the 1895 Cup! The fans (and there are plenty of them) don't care that it is a lower grade competition, they are just happy to be winning.
It would be the beginning of the death of the club, what of our current and incoming star players would stay and play 2nd division.
Yourself and Rod67 are just making fools of yourselves.
You should both just shut thefup.
 

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It would be the beginning of the death of the club, what of our current and incoming star players would stay and play 2nd division.
Yourself and Rod67 are just making fools of yourselves.
You should both just shut thefup.
It must be great to be so omnipotent that you can look at a hypothetical and say with absolute certainty how it would play out. Have you got any hot tips for this afternoon's racing?
 

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It must be great to be so omnipotent that you can look at a hypothetical and say with absolute certainty how it would play out. Have you got any hot tips for this afternoon's racing?
Yes me by 10 lengths and they bring out a curtain and shotgun for you.
 

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I don’t buy this more interest concept. The EPL has 20 teams. You play each team twice. Every game from my perspective as an Arsenal supporter is interesting. The game needs to expand.
You can't legimately compare the NRL with the English Premier League. League is a tougher sport and more demanding on the body. 20 teams would be 38 games (plus semifinal series and state of origin), and the injury rate would be horrendous. Either that, or players would be coasting through the less important games and saving themselves for the big ones, which, I believe, happens to a certain extent now.
 

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The game needs to evolve outside of Sydney and Queensland. You simply can't operate a sport efficiently if it has 10 teams clustered in one state. 4 of the NSW teams should be merged into 2. A Sharks/Dragons and a Tigers/Panthers merger has been touted for a while. Once you've reduced the NSW teams you look to introduce a new Perth team. The new Optus stadium up there would be their base. Yes the expansion failed in 1995 but the population in Perth has more than doubled since then and you just need to spend a week there to know how much they love the AFL and even the soccer over there, so whats stopping them taking in an NRL team?

That would leave you with 16 teams, with the inclusion of the Dolphins and Perth, and merging four NSW sides into 2.

There needs to be a focus in getting more kids from Melbourne to play the game. It's insane to me that there is only a handful of victorians playing in the game considering it is Australia's second largest population. I understand it's difficult due to the stronghold the AFL has within the state, but the NRL only needs a portion of the market share and that would allow the game to grow roots in the region. In reality there should be 2 teams at the minimum from Victoria, there should be a second team in Geelong area, but for the moment the game just needs to focus on grass roots and hopefully in a decade they have the capacity to add another team there.

A draft would be a minimum 5 years away but it would help in garnering more interest than the league has ever seen. The NBA and NFL benefit most by having a draft process which;
1. Provides so much content that off-seasons are just as good as the regular season
2. Allows the game to create storylines behind players and so fans become invested in their journey
3. Brings a lot of hope to struggling teams

Imagine having the Nines comp soon after the draft and fans get to see their new young stars playing in tournament that gives them so much room to shine. It would keep the off-season so interesting. The draft also brings in revenue, you'll be able to increase your broadcasting deal because there'll be demand for shows discussing the rookies, and highlighting the best fits for each team etc. You would go full American in that sense.

The NRL needs to strongarm the RLPA in terms of a draft. With adjustments and improvements like the draft, the league could 2-3x its revenue within a decade, and that would see salary caps almost doubled, equalling more money directed to the players. What are all these players going to do? go off and form their own competition?, most of them struggle with the basics of the game as it is. The NRL literally operates out of 3 states at the moment, its never been simpler to have a draft.

Drafts could work 1-16, for three rounds. The money would be tiered and so the 1st pick would get more than the second and so forth. First pick might be on 500k, second on 475k etc. It would be feasible within the cap if you allow teams to surpass the cap by up to 5% to register their draft picks but they would have a two year window to get back under the cap or they risk losing competition points.

To do all this, the league obviously needs a lot of capital, and would need major backers to take the game to the next level. And that would be up to the people who are paid the big bucks to find and negotiate. It would probably take American or Chinese investment, but the potential for an attractive ROI is there if completed right.
 

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The RLPA will NEVER EVER agree to a draft, at the first hint of it they took it to court to make sure it would never happen.
The draft should happen but it should be voluntary. Not mandatory.

Any off contract player should be given an option to enrol in a draft. Incentivised with the NRL paying and absorbing the minimum wage of every player signed via the draft in their first year.

Thus anyone signed by a draft would be guaranteed double the minimum wage. A big carrot for for up and coming talent to go to market in the draft.

It should be held 2 weeks after the Grand final. With the bottom teams given first, second & third picks before the top teams.
 

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The game needs to evolve outside of Sydney and Queensland. You simply can't operate a sport efficiently if it has 10 teams clustered in one state. 4 of the NSW teams should be merged into 2. A Sharks/Dragons and a Tigers/Panthers merger has been touted for a while. Once you've reduced the NSW teams you look to introduce a new Perth team. The new Optus stadium up there would be their base. Yes the expansion failed in 1995 but the population in Perth has more than doubled since then and you just need to spend a week there to know how much they love the AFL and even the soccer over there, so whats stopping them taking in an NRL team?

That would leave you with 16 teams, with the inclusion of the Dolphins and Perth, and merging four NSW sides into 2.

There needs to be a focus in getting more kids from Melbourne to play the game. It's insane to me that there is only a handful of victorians playing in the game considering it is Australia's second largest population. I understand it's difficult due to the stronghold the AFL has within the state, but the NRL only needs a portion of the market share and that would allow the game to grow roots in the region. In reality there should be 2 teams at the minimum from Victoria, there should be a second team in Geelong area, but for the moment the game just needs to focus on grass roots and hopefully in a decade they have the capacity to add another team there.

A draft would be a minimum 5 years away but it would help in garnering more interest than the league has ever seen. The NBA and NFL benefit most by having a draft process which;
1. Provides so much content that off-seasons are just as good as the regular season
2. Allows the game to create storylines behind players and so fans become invested in their journey
3. Brings a lot of hope to struggling teams

Imagine having the Nines comp soon after the draft and fans get to see their new young stars playing in tournament that gives them so much room to shine. It would keep the off-season so interesting. The draft also brings in revenue, you'll be able to increase your broadcasting deal because there'll be demand for shows discussing the rookies, and highlighting the best fits for each team etc. You would go full American in that sense.

The NRL needs to strongarm the RLPA in terms of a draft. With adjustments and improvements like the draft, the league could 2-3x its revenue within a decade, and that would see salary caps almost doubled, equalling more money directed to the players. What are all these players going to do? go off and form their own competition?, most of them struggle with the basics of the game as it is. The NRL literally operates out of 3 states at the moment, its never been simpler to have a draft.

Drafts could work 1-16, for three rounds. The money would be tiered and so the 1st pick would get more than the second and so forth. First pick might be on 500k, second on 475k etc. It would be feasible within the cap if you allow teams to surpass the cap by up to 5% to register their draft picks but they would have a two year window to get back under the cap or they risk losing competition points.

To do all this, the league obviously needs a lot of capital, and would need major backers to take the game to the next level. And that would be up to the people who are paid the big bucks to find and negotiate. It would probably take American or Chinese investment, but the potential for an attractive ROI is there if completed right.
Would be suicide for league to merge them Sydney clubs that are the heart and soul of the game, fans and the juniors, it would narrow the pathways even more, crazy.
Melbourne don't produce players, a lot that don't make junior reps go there for last opportunity. Some don't want to and give up. If your putting teams in SA, Perth or Vic the players will be from NSW and QLD. Them other states will never produce as good a juniors as the two main states.
Perth should be next team, Bears are ready to take the opportunity now. They have the money and juniors already most end up playing for Roosters.
 

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The game needs to evolve outside of Sydney and Queensland. You simply can't operate a sport efficiently if it has 10 teams clustered in one state. 4 of the NSW teams should be merged into 2. A Sharks/Dragons and a Tigers/Panthers merger has been touted for a while. Once you've reduced the NSW teams you look to introduce a new Perth team. The new Optus stadium up there would be their base. Yes the expansion failed in 1995 but the population in Perth has more than doubled since then and you just need to spend a week there to know how much they love the AFL and even the soccer over there, so whats stopping them taking in an NRL team?

That would leave you with 16 teams, with the inclusion of the Dolphins and Perth, and merging four NSW sides into 2.

There needs to be a focus in getting more kids from Melbourne to play the game. It's insane to me that there is only a handful of victorians playing in the game considering it is Australia's second largest population. I understand it's difficult due to the stronghold the AFL has within the state, but the NRL only needs a portion of the market share and that would allow the game to grow roots in the region. In reality there should be 2 teams at the minimum from Victoria, there should be a second team in Geelong area, but for the moment the game just needs to focus on grass roots and hopefully in a decade they have the capacity to add another team there.

A draft would be a minimum 5 years away but it would help in garnering more interest than the league has ever seen. The NBA and NFL benefit most by having a draft process which;
1. Provides so much content that off-seasons are just as good as the regular season
2. Allows the game to create storylines behind players and so fans become invested in their journey
3. Brings a lot of hope to struggling teams

Imagine having the Nines comp soon after the draft and fans get to see their new young stars playing in tournament that gives them so much room to shine. It would keep the off-season so interesting. The draft also brings in revenue, you'll be able to increase your broadcasting deal because there'll be demand for shows discussing the rookies, and highlighting the best fits for each team etc. You would go full American in that sense.

The NRL needs to strongarm the RLPA in terms of a draft. With adjustments and improvements like the draft, the league could 2-3x its revenue within a decade, and that would see salary caps almost doubled, equalling more money directed to the players. What are all these players going to do? go off and form their own competition?, most of them struggle with the basics of the game as it is. The NRL literally operates out of 3 states at the moment, its never been simpler to have a draft.

Drafts could work 1-16, for three rounds. The money would be tiered and so the 1st pick would get more than the second and so forth. First pick might be on 500k, second on 475k etc. It would be feasible within the cap if you allow teams to surpass the cap by up to 5% to register their draft picks but they would have a two year window to get back under the cap or they risk losing competition points.

To do all this, the league obviously needs a lot of capital, and would need major backers to take the game to the next level. And that would be up to the people who are paid the big bucks to find and negotiate. It would probably take American or Chinese investment, but the potential for an attractive ROI is there if completed right.
The draft is a restraint of trade now thanks to Terry Hill. In the AFL it has ruined many careers with players who had a lot of potential going to bottom placed clubs who didn't develop them properly & played them FAR too early. The other thing is who does the player development? No club will if all their work goes into the draft & they won't pick many of them up. Do you have a recruiting district for each club & they get first crack at them?

If the Bulldogs ever merged it would end my association with the sport. The Bulldogs are the only reason I continue with the sport because of all the corruption.

It's not a real good time for investment now with a recession just about to hit the World, thanks to the war on fossil fuels (mainly). #FJB
 

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The game needs to evolve outside of Sydney and Queensland. You simply can't operate a sport efficiently if it has 10 teams clustered in one state. 4 of the NSW teams should be merged into 2. A Sharks/Dragons and a Tigers/Panthers merger has been touted for a while. Once you've reduced the NSW teams you look to introduce a new Perth team. The new Optus stadium up there would be their base. Yes the expansion failed in 1995 but the population in Perth has more than doubled since then and you just need to spend a week there to know how much they love the AFL and even the soccer over there, so whats stopping them taking in an NRL team?

That would leave you with 16 teams, with the inclusion of the Dolphins and Perth, and merging four NSW sides into 2.

There needs to be a focus in getting more kids from Melbourne to play the game. It's insane to me that there is only a handful of victorians playing in the game considering it is Australia's second largest population. I understand it's difficult due to the stronghold the AFL has within the state, but the NRL only needs a portion of the market share and that would allow the game to grow roots in the region. In reality there should be 2 teams at the minimum from Victoria, there should be a second team in Geelong area, but for the moment the game just needs to focus on grass roots and hopefully in a decade they have the capacity to add another team there.

A draft would be a minimum 5 years away but it would help in garnering more interest than the league has ever seen. The NBA and NFL benefit most by having a draft process which;
1. Provides so much content that off-seasons are just as good as the regular season
2. Allows the game to create storylines behind players and so fans become invested in their journey
3. Brings a lot of hope to struggling teams

Imagine having the Nines comp soon after the draft and fans get to see their new young stars playing in tournament that gives them so much room to shine. It would keep the off-season so interesting. The draft also brings in revenue, you'll be able to increase your broadcasting deal because there'll be demand for shows discussing the rookies, and highlighting the best fits for each team etc. You would go full American in that sense.

The NRL needs to strongarm the RLPA in terms of a draft. With adjustments and improvements like the draft, the league could 2-3x its revenue within a decade, and that would see salary caps almost doubled, equalling more money directed to the players. What are all these players going to do? go off and form their own competition?, most of them struggle with the basics of the game as it is. The NRL literally operates out of 3 states at the moment, its never been simpler to have a draft.

Drafts could work 1-16, for three rounds. The money would be tiered and so the 1st pick would get more than the second and so forth. First pick might be on 500k, second on 475k etc. It would be feasible within the cap if you allow teams to surpass the cap by up to 5% to register their draft picks but they would have a two year window to get back under the cap or they risk losing competition points.

To do all this, the league obviously needs a lot of capital, and would need major backers to take the game to the next level. And that would be up to the people who are paid the big bucks to find and negotiate. It would probably take American or Chinese investment, but the potential for an attractive ROI is there if completed right.
If you want to find out how the AFL Draft fails players look up Darren Millane, died in a car accident while intoxicated. Anthony Morabito, made to play when he was too young and physically underdeveloped, lasted 1 season and then forced by re-occurring injuries to retire. Matthew Egan suffered stress fractures in his feet and wasn’t rehab‘d correctly (those knocking RFM’s recover time should take note) and never played again. Alex Johnson, after multiple knee reconstructions retired after lasting just 2 seasons. Max Bailey only lasted 43 games before retiring due to multiple knee reconstructions and finally a severe wrist injury ended his career.

The AFL is also credited with forcing parents to pay for their sons to go private schools as they provide almost 1/3rd of the top 30 draft picks. Better facilities and better coaches cost money and private schools have a huge head start in those areas.

The AFL draft has become so important that kids educations are being neglected as they spend 11 months of years 11 and 12 almost solely on football. They are also expected to be fully developed by the teams that take the top draft picks. The lower ranked teams can’t afford to offer much in the way of non football training, mentally and in regards to life skills, during and after their playing days. There is a groundswell in the AFL to change the minimum draft age from 18 to 19 to avoid the high pressure put on them in the final year of their high school.

AFL drafted players last an average of just 3 years, hardly something the RLPA wants to replicant in the NRL. We can knock the RLPA for not wanting a draft, but they have very good reasons for fighting it in the first place and then strongly resisting it ever since.

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Would be suicide for league to merge them Sydney clubs that are the heart and soul of the game, fans and the juniors, it would narrow the pathways even more, crazy.
Melbourne don't produce players, a lot that don't make junior reps go there for last opportunity. Some don't want to and give up. If your putting teams in SA, Perth or Vic the players will be from NSW and QLD. Them other states will never produce as good a juniors as the two main states.
Perth should be next team, Bears are ready to take the opportunity now. They have the money and juniors already most end up playing for Roosters.
It would take a restructure of the whole system, and it probably is beyond the scope of the current clowns that run the game at the moment.

The league needs to control junior development, each club should be charged a certain percentage of annual revenue that would allow the league to grow the game at grass roots level. Look how many successful juniors Penrith have produced after spending the time and money on improving their junior systems, but unfortunately that same effort isn't upheld throughout the league. The NRL should be responsible for ensuring each region has access to the best junior development.

Why is Melbourne and Victoria as a whole incapable of producing even 30 NRL standard players at the minimum, they have a population of 7 million, and they produce athletes for every other sport. Its not a one, two year solution, its going to take a decade to properly implement and improve the junior ranks in Victoria.

The game needs to evolve.
 

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The draft is a restraint of trade now thanks to Terry Hill. In the AFL it has ruined many careers with players who had a lot of potential going to bottom placed clubs who didn't develop them properly & played them FAR too early. The other thing is who does the player development? No club will if all their work goes into the draft & they won't pick many of them up. Do you have a recruiting district for each club & they get first crack at them?

If the Bulldogs ever merged it would end my association with the sport. The Bulldogs are the only reason I continue with the sport because of all the corruption.

It's not a real good time for investment now with a recession just about to hit the World, thanks to the war on fossil fuels (mainly). #FJB
Theres plenty of ways around the legal side of it. The NRL would need to negotiate with the RLPA to form it into a union, and then come to a binding bargaining agreement that would see it gain a union exemption to antitrust laws such as restraint of trade. It'll just take the NRL getting creative.

I addressed player development in the post above but it should be under the NRLs rule, not the clubs.
 

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It would take a restructure of the whole system, and it probably is beyond the scope of the current clowns that run the game at the moment.

The league needs to control junior development, each club should be charged a certain percentage of annual revenue that would allow the league to grow the game at grass roots level. Look how many successful juniors Penrith have produced after spending the time and money on improving their junior systems, but unfortunately that same effort isn't upheld throughout the league. The NRL should be responsible for ensuring each region has access to the best junior development.

Why is Melbourne and Victoria as a whole incapable of producing even 30 NRL standard players at the minimum, they have a population of 7 million, and they produce athletes for every other sport. Its not a one, two year solution, its going to take a decade to properly implement and improve the junior ranks in Victoria.

The game needs to evolve.
The game out in Penrith the juniors develop from long before rep football, demographics, from under 6s to under 13s div 1 club games are very competitive, kids are fit fast and strong young.
Good systems in place and very tough games.
 

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It would take a restructure of the whole system, and it probably is beyond the scope of the current clowns that run the game at the moment.

The league needs to control junior development, each club should be charged a certain percentage of annual revenue that would allow the league to grow the game at grass roots level. Look how many successful juniors Penrith have produced after spending the time and money on improving their junior systems, but unfortunately that same effort isn't upheld throughout the league. The NRL should be responsible for ensuring each region has access to the best junior development.

Why is Melbourne and Victoria as a whole incapable of producing even 30 NRL standard players at the minimum, they have a population of 7 million, and they produce athletes for every other sport. Its not a one, two year solution, its going to take a decade to properly implement and improve the junior ranks in Victoria.

The game needs to evolve.
I lived in Melbourne and country Victoria for 15 years
Left about 10 year ago.
There is no interest for league.
State of origin games as soon as the final whistle was blown, that was the end of the coverage.
Everyone I worked with winged cause why the fuck do they have to put up with that shit rugby league 8pm on a Wednesday night on their TV. Im talking SOO, so called pinacle of NRL. They simply don't want any of it.
I remember living country VIC Id have to stay up late till after the AFL games were done to watch the delayed NRL matches on free to air.
Kids don't play league in the parks. Newspapers rarely have NRL content. The media aren't interested because why would they be, there is simply no demand.
People just aren't interested, mostly they hate the sport.
 
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