V'Landys still in denail

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“When you look at the successful clubs, the common element is not just the roster; it’s the program they have to bring players through,” he said.

LOL., Roosters all bought Teddy, Keary, Cronk, SBW, Morris twins, JWH, Crighton etc etc.

The man is living a complete fantasy.


“Rather than talking about lopsided games, let’s look at the teams that are models to be looked at for success.

LOL, he thinks the NRL will achieve some sort of utopia where clubs will all end up being like the Melbourne Storm or something like that.
 

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You need to look at their roster between 2012 and 2013. That's when the dynasty started. They finished 13th in 2012 and 1st in 2013.

Trent Robinson came in 2013.

This was their recruitment:
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Key signings: Jennings, Maloney, SBW

When/once you're a top team you can sign players for what they're worth and in a lot of cases for slightly less than what they're worth.

2014 - 1st
2015 - 1st
2016 - 15th
2017 - 2nd
2018 - 1st
2019 - 2nd
2020 - 4th

A hiccup year in 2016.

This was their recruitment (2017):
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Key signings: Gordon, Keary, Tetevano

It's just good roster management.
 

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You need to look at their roster between 2012 and 2013. That's when the dynasty started. They finished 13th in 2012 and 1st in 2013.

Trent Robinson came in 2013.

This was their recruitment:
View attachment 22769
Key signings: Jennings, Maloney, SBW

When/once you're a top team you can sign players for what they're worth and in a lot of cases for slightly less than what they're worth.

2014 - 1st
2015 - 1st
2016 - 15th
2017 - 2nd
2018 - 1st
2019 - 2nd
2020 - 4th

A hiccup year in 2016.

This was their recruitment (2017):
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Key signings: Gordon, Keary, Tetevano

It's just good roster management.
Throw in Cronk and Tedesco in 2018. The show goes on. It’s great management. Not afraid to show players the door and move them on.
 

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Out of the Roosters top 30 these are all the players that debuted at the Roosters or are going to debut:

-Billy Smith
-Daniel Tupou
-Joseph Manu
-Joseph Suaalii
-Lachlan Lam
-Matt Ikuvalu
-Sam Walker
-Boyd Cordner
-Daniel Suluka-Fifita
-Freddy Lussick
-Isaac Liu
-Jake Friend
-Lindsay Collins
-Nat Butcher
-Sam Verrills
-Sitili Tupouniua
-Victor Radley

There are probably a few I've missed too. There are also players like JWH and Taukieaho who barely played at their previous clubs and the Roosters identified them early.
 

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Out of the Roosters top 30 these are all the players that debuted at the Roosters or are going to debut:

-Billy Smith
-Daniel Tupou
-Joseph Manu
-Joseph Suaalii
-Lachlan Lam
-Matt Ikuvalu
-Sam Walker
-Boyd Cordner
-Daniel Suluka-Fifita
-Freddy Lussick
-Isaac Liu
-Jake Friend
-Lindsay Collins
-Nat Butcher
-Sam Verrills
-Sitili Tupouniua
-Victor Radley

There are probably a few I've missed too. There are also players like JWH and Taukieaho who barely played at their previous clubs and the Roosters identified them early.
They do not win any comps without SBW, Maloney, Keary, Cronk and Teddy.
 

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They do not win any comps without SBW, Maloney, Keary, Cronk and Teddy.
We had/have enough salary cap (multiple millions) going into 2021/2022 to make at least 3 key signings that'll turn the club around. That's all the Roosters did in 2013.
 

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We had enough salary cap (multiple millions) going into 2021/2022 to make at least 3 key signings that'll turn the club around. That's all the Roosters did in 2013.
The Salary cap? LOL
Luke Keary turned down big money offers to stay at the Roosters.
Thats all you need to know about the salary cap.
If you think it works i have a bridge to sell you.
Reality is, the game needs a draft. The only way V'Lando ball flourishes.
 

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The Salary cap? LOL
Luke Keary turned down big money offers to stay at the Roosters.
Thats all you need to know about the salary cap.
If you think it works i have a bridge to sell you.
Reality is, the game needs a draft. The only way V'Lando ball flourishes.
If that's your conclusion after everything I've just provided you then I can't help you anymore.
 

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The cap doesn't work. It's easily manipulated by clubs with major power players like Politis/Gyngel/Crowe/Packer for Roosters & South's... or big city clubs like Broncos Melbourne. Those clubs have an edge whether it be 3rd party deal access or simply the ability to ensure, as a player, you are better looked after.

The whole NRL has become more conflicted and rife with nepotism than ever before... Commentators with direct links to clubs John's, Gould etc. They create advantages for their associated clubs.

Some would argue, play the game, not the man, and as a dogs fan, I think we should start playing between the lines, not always above them. Leverage what we can.

I'm not sure what the future proof answer is... draft, transfer fees, player market valuation etc...

I thinks it the baseball, if you spend over the cap, you are taxed 100% of the overspend which goes back to the league for development.
 

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I don't know what more he has to do to get fired and I don't know why the clubs never raise issues publicly and just accept it.

It's not like they're all making money, getting rich off the TV deal as most clubs lose money and run at a loss..

The iron fist that the commission is run with is scary and unless there is a breakaway competition, or at least the threat of it, the game will die totally in a few years.
 

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Out of the Roosters top 30 these are all the players that debuted at the Roosters or are going to debut:

-Billy Smith
-Daniel Tupou
-Joseph Manu
-Joseph Suaalii
-Lachlan Lam
-Matt Ikuvalu
-Sam Walker
-Boyd Cordner
-Daniel Suluka-Fifita
-Freddy Lussick
-Isaac Liu
-Jake Friend
-Lindsay Collins
-Nat Butcher
-Sam Verrills
-Sitili Tupouniua
-Victor Radley

There are probably a few I've missed too. There are also players like JWH and Taukieaho who barely played at their previous clubs and the Roosters identified them early.
100% they recruit the right pieces but also develop many players. The big thing is they keep them.
 

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Out of the Roosters top 30 these are all the players that debuted at the Roosters or are going to debut:

-Billy Smith
-Daniel Tupou
-Joseph Manu
-Joseph Suaalii
-Lachlan Lam
-Matt Ikuvalu
-Sam Walker
-Boyd Cordner
-Daniel Suluka-Fifita
-Freddy Lussick
-Isaac Liu
-Jake Friend
-Lindsay Collins
-Nat Butcher
-Sam Verrills
-Sitili Tupouniua
-Victor Radley

There are probably a few I've missed too. There are also players like JWH and Taukieaho who barely played at their previous clubs and the Roosters identified them early.
You can't say Walker and Suualli were developed in their system. Walker is a product of Ipswich and has been there only a year. He was ready to play before he got to the Roosters. Suualli was developed by Souths and the Roosters just signed him this season. They just poach the best youngsters at the right time.

The rest you listed they developed properly through their system.
 

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It is about the club culture, where the coach and executives lay down the law about performance on and off the field. The coach has the full backing of the board, and the team knows that anyone who won't commit 100% - 100% of the time, can close the door as they leave.

The top teams don't tolerate bludgers, and will risk playing younger and enthusiastic players if they are fully committed, and will follow the coach's game plan. The team captains keep the team focused and on song.

The lazy "stars" they are prepared to dump seem to be the ones we like to sign up.
 

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It is about the club culture, where the coach and executives lay down the law about performance on and off the field. The coach has the full backing of the board, and the team knows that anyone who won't commit 100% - 100% of the time, can close the door as they leave.

The top teams don't tolerate bludgers, and will risk playing younger and enthusiastic players if they are fully committed, and will follow the coach's game plan. The team captains keep the team focused and on song.

The lazy "stars" they are prepared to dump seem to be the ones we like to sign up.
That's how we ended up with Napa :sob: :sob: :sob:
 

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I like Chisdogs idea of a point system for players based on Australian & International representative duties, SOO, amount of NRL 1st grade games, Junior representative appearances etc... Each player is allocated points & teams have a cap on the points. Each player is paid based on their points value. I think it is brilliant. Then players can't stay at clubs for less than what they are worth.
 

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“When you look at the successful clubs, the common element is not just the roster; it’s the program they have to bring players through,” he said.

LOL., Roosters all bought Teddy, Keary, Cronk, SBW, Morris twins, JWH, Crighton etc etc.

The man is living a complete fantasy.


“Rather than talking about lopsided games, let’s look at the teams that are models to be looked at for success.

LOL, he thinks the NRL will achieve some sort of utopia where clubs will all end up being like the Melbourne Storm or something like that.
The guy shows his corporate naivety with thus thinking and lack of respect for the NRL supporters of the bottom 8 teams.

Us supporters didn't make the dumb decisions re retention and recruitment. We didn't sign duds to silly backended, inflated contracts. We aren't the ones letting our juniors wither on the vine.

Yet Vlad says tough luck, run your club like Rorters and Storm do.

Half of his bread and butter supporters in those 8 clubs, have had club officials ruin their clubs, or not cheated or "incentivised" or plucked the eyes out of the talent available.

So what does the great white hope of rugba leeg promote?

Making the comp more competitive by stoppping the gross advantages the top 6? clubs recurringly enjoy? No he tells over half the league supporting population what their clubs aren't run as good.

The non-performing, disadvanted team supporters, f#ing already know that.

What have we to look forward to as supporters of these low teams when the heirachy offer up crap like that to us.

We don't have any influence in our teams success, except continue to support our beloved team, whether it be Manly, Bulldogs, Cowboys, Broncs, Tigers, Dragons, Titans, Warriors, Knights...all recent perennial losers who's supporters know it takes 10 years to rebuild a club who has been badly managed...and the dumb head of the NRLol offers up platitudes to the long suffering supporters of poor performing teams that "they won't reward mediocrity".

Offers no hope to those supporters except to say your club has to be better.

Mate that statement sounds great but doesn't help fix 50% of your stakeholders! Yes 50% of the NRLol teams are not competitive and have new rules, introduced by you Vlad, that reinforce this lopsidedness.

Extremely poor governance from a corporate shyster controlling the game.
 

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Vlandys is a dud. Nobody likes watching blow out games every match due to his consistent rule changes. Unless its the rare top 4 vs 4 clash every game is just a blow out and boring to watch past 20 mins. Bring back the days where an 8-6 score line was actually great to watch
 
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