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[Rodzilla]

Yep. That's fair. And I submit the follow up to that email where Kristian Andersen et Al investigated that genome sequence and found that it was likely not genetically engineered.

The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 - Nature Medicine

www.nature.com

there is more to unpack with proximal origin so im going to come back to it, can i use the last sentence of the introduction " Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus." as well as the main text which allows for the possibility

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-March 17th 2020: "Proximal Origin of Covid" by Kristian Andersen, Andrew Rambaut, Ian Lipkin, Eddie Holmes and Bob Garry is published in Nature Medicine, they describe their analysis as clearly showing that Covid is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus while their main text leaves that possibility open but describe it as unlikely

reply in the covid argue thread btw



ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE
-January 31st 2020: Eddie Holmes, Bob Garry, Kristian Andersen and Mike Farzan had discussions and all of them find that the covid genome is inconsistent with expectation from evolutionary theory
-January 31st 2020 10.32pm: Kristian Andersen emails fauci to say that parts of the virus look (potentially) engineered and that they have to look at it much closely so their opinions could change, informs him of the discussion with Eddie Holmes, Bob Garry and Mike Farzan earlier in the day.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

there is more to unpack with proximal origin so im going to come back to it, can i use the last sentence of the introduction " Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus." as well as the main text which allows for the possibility

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-March 17th 2020: "Proximal Origin of Covid" by Kristian Andersen, Andrew Rambaut, Ian Lipkin, Eddie Holmes and Bob Garry is published in Nature Medicine, they describe their analysis as clearly showing that Covid is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus while their main text leaves that possibility open but describe it as unlikely

reply in the covid argue thread btw



ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE
-January 31st 2020: Eddie Holmes, Bob Garry, Kristian Andersen and Mike Farzan had discussions and all of them find that the covid genome is inconsistent with expectation from evolutionary theory
-January 31st 2020 10.32pm: Kristian Andersen emails fauci to say that parts of the virus look (potentially) engineered and that they have to look at it much closely so their opinions could change, informs him of the discussion with Eddie Holmes, Bob Garry and Mike Farzan earlier in the day.

I present chain of evidence.

January 31st they suspected potential engineering. Investigation began. March 17 they published the results of the investigation.

Simple sequence of events. If a question is asked and later answered, we don't ignore the answer because the question suggested a different outcome.

 

[Rodzilla]

I present chain of evidence.

January 31st they suspected potential engineering. Investigation began. March 17 they published the results of the investigation.

Simple sequence of events. If a question is asked and later answered, we don't ignore the answer because the question suggested a different outcome.

can i enter into evidence this email from kristian andersen to peter daszak on feb 4th at 12.05pm, he says that the data conclusively shows that any sort of engineering was not done (in an intentional scenario someone would have used a SARS/MERS backbone and optimal ACE2 binding, and in a research incident would have used one of available reverse genetic systems), calls it a crackpot theory to suggest covid was created intentionally

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[Hacky McAxe]

can i enter into evidence this email from kristian andersen to peter daszak on feb 4th at 12.05pm, he says that the data conclusively shows that any sort of engineering was not done (in an intentional scenario someone would have used a SARS/MERS backbone and optimal ACE2 binding, and in a research incident would have used one of available reverse genetic systems), calls it a crackpot theory to suggest covid was created intentionally

E3Dfbq1VUAEKBTN (2519×1450) (twimg.com)

Yep. Andersen changed his stance in just a few days. Odd, but I can't see how this is evidence of anything except maybe the speed at which they found their initial results?

 

[sideswip]

My Boy is Back in the Race ! (meltdown triggered)

 

[wendog33]

And people worry about leftists

Some of the vids in the Replies are gold funny but wow what a crazytown Murika has become.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593236253558083585

 

[Flanagun]

My Boy is Back in the Race ! (meltdown triggered)

That’s no great shock to anyone. It’s going to be funny watching him claim electoral fraud against his own party when he loses in the primaries.

 

[sideswip]

That’s no great shock to anyone. It’s going to be funny watching him claim electoral fraud against his own party when he loses in the primaries.

welcome to my post.

 

[The DoggFather]

And people worry about leftists

Some of the vids in the Replies are gold funny but wow what a crazytown Murika has become.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593236253558083585

That Copeland not only acts like a demon, he looks like a demon with botox.

The **** has evil eyes...

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Formal investigation into Trump has started. This is the actual criminal investigation.

In other news, Elon Musk is asking Twitter users if he should unban Trump. But it sounds like most of his staff are quitting and there's a decent chance Twitter will collapse soon.

 

[Realist90]

Formal investigation into Trump has started. This is the actual criminal investigation.

In other news, Elon Musk is asking Twitter users if he should unban Trump. But it sounds like most of his staff are quitting and there's a decent chance Twitter will collapse soon.

Lol dems are so scared of trump it’s pretty ridiculous now. Wasting so much time and money since his announcement in 2015 on conspiracies and fake accusations lol.
Twitter will collapse because it seems the only people working there were sensitive men and women heavily aligned with the lgbtqi that were able to control a lot of speech on there and now musk doesn’t wanna allow that tyrannical culture anymore and they actually have to show up to work in the office. This says a lot more about the people who worked there than musk.

 

[steeliz]

Lol dems are so scared of trump it’s pretty ridiculous now. Wasting so much time and money since his announcement on conspiracies and fake accusations lol.
Twitter will collapse because it seems the only people working there were sensitive men and women heavily aligned with the lgbtqi that were able to control a lot of speech on there and now musk doesn’t wanna allow that tyrannical culture anymore and they actually have to show up to work in the office. This says a lot more about the people who worked there than musk.

 

[DinkumDog]

Agent Orange is back on Twatter.
Poll was 51.8% yay to 48.2% nay.
I say it was rigged .

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Lol dems are so scared of trump it’s pretty ridiculous now. Wasting so much time and money since his announcement on conspiracies and fake accusations lol.
Twitter will collapse because it seems the only people working there were sensitive men and women heavily aligned with the lgbtqi that were able to control a lot of speech on there and now musk doesn’t wanna allow that tyrannical culture anymore and they actually have to show up to work in the office. This says a lot more about the people who worked there than musk.

The special council on the investigation of Trump is an independent council. The investigator isn't even from America. The head of the DOJ (the one that usually makes these decisions) refused to take part because he was elected by Biden and that would create a conflict of interest.

 

[belmore_utd]

The special council on the investigation of Trump is an independent council. The investigator isn't even from America. The head of the DOJ (the one that usually makes these decisions) refused to take part because he was elected by Biden and that would create a conflict of interest.

Jack Smith, the prosecutor hired as Special Counsel to determine whether or not to charge Trump for retaining State documents, was appointed to his role at the Brooklyn U.S. Attorney's Public Integrity section by then AG Loretta Lynch, who infamously had a tarmac airplane meeting with the Clintons amidst their email scandal in 2015-2016, in which she among others was implicated.

There is nothing organic about their choice.

He was appointed after a huge scandal in which the DOJ was implicated in withholding exculpatory evidence beneficial to the defense in an investigation into then Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Jack Smith, the prosecutor hired as Special Counsel to determine whether or not to charge Trump for retaining State documents, was appointed to his role at the Brooklyn U.S. Attorney's Public Integrity section by then AG Loretta Lynch, who infamously had a tarmac airplane meeting with the Clintons amidst their email scandal in 2015-2016, in which she among others was implicated.

There is nothing organic about their choice.

He was appointed after a huge scandal in which the DOJ was implicated in withholding exculpatory evidence beneficial to the defense in an investigation into then Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens.

I recall the investigation into Lynch. I remember that they found no wrong doing and said that Lynch's meeting was just poor timing.

Smith also headed up investigations into Republican and Democratic senators, plus all the other corrupt cases he has been involved in. He's pretty much the most qualified independent. But Trump will cry foul if it's anyone other than his own son carrying out the investigation.

 

[belmore_utd]

I recall the investigation into Lynch. I remember that they found no wrong doing and said that Lynch's meeting was just poor timing.

Smith also headed up investigations into Republican and Democratic senators, plus all the other corrupt cases he has been involved in. He's pretty much the most qualified independent. But Trump will cry foul if it's anyone other than his own son carrying out the investigation.

The reporter who broke the Lynch-Clinton story commited suicide so its just good timing for the Lynch gang to get the ball rolling again

 

[Hacky McAxe]

The reporter who broke the Lynch-Clinton story commited suicide so its just good timing for the Lynch gang to get the ball rolling again

5 years after he reported it. The secret cabal of American elites are getting slow.

 

[Philistine]

A hypothetical - if Hitler had not committed suicide but instead had simply surrendered, would he have been paraded at Nuremberg and charged with war crimes? My answer, which, of course, cannot be proved or disproved, would be - not a chance! Why not, you ask? because it has been an unwritten rule in the West for centuries that former heads of state are off limits. Countries like Pakistan are fond of charging, even executing, their deposed leaders, but we enlightened types in the West do not go after them. The Japanese emperor, Hirohito was prima facie as culpable as Hitler, but he never faced a court, and, in fact, got to keep his job. Go back a few years further. After WW1, Kaiser Bill was retired and exiled by his own side, but the winners never went after him.

What has this got to do with Trump, you ask? The unwritten hands-off rule was suspended just for Trump the day he came down the escalator. The left are determined to get him by fair means or foul. They are so spooked by the thought of him running again and - horror of horrors - winning again, that they are prepared to do anything to stop him. I rather suspect that the orange-man-bad blind hatred is restricted to the Democrat foot soldiers, and, to the movers and shakers, it's just business.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

A hypothetical - if Hitler had not committed suicide but instead had simply surrendered, would he have been paraded at Nuremberg and charged with war crimes? My answer, which, of course, cannot be proved or disproved, would be - not a chance! Why not, you ask? because it has been an unwritten rule in the West for centuries that former heads of state are off limits. Countries like Pakistan are fond of charging, even executing, their deposed leaders, but we enlightened types in the West do not go after them. The Japanese emperor, Hirohito was prima facie as culpable as Hitler, but he never faced a court, and, in fact, got to keep his job. Go back a few years further. After WW1, Kaiser Bill was retired and exiled by his own side, but the winners never went after him.

What has this got to do with Trump, you ask? The unwritten hands-off rule was suspended just for Trump the day he came down the escalator. The left are determined to get him by fair means or foul. They are so spooked by the thought of him running again and - horror of horrors - winning again, that they are prepared to do anything to stop him. I rather suspect that the orange-man-bad blind hatred is restricted to the Democrat foot soldiers, and, to the movers and shakers, it's just business.

Sort of different situations. The situations you are explaining are War Crimes, which is investigated and convictions are laid based on an international court. US and other Western Countries don't convict individual leaders of another country. If they really hate them, they use other methods to get rid of them. In Western Countries former heads of state don't usually get convicted, but there have been investigations and lower heads of state have been convicted and served time.

In the case of Hirohito, the argument was that he was powerless. The argument was that while people fought in his name, they claimed that all the orders came from the military and government officials, and that Hirohito had no say in the decisions. They even had many high up Western officials stating that Hirohito was just a face of the Japanese army and that he had no part in military decisions. So the military and government officials were charged of war crimes instead of Hirohito. Do I believe he was innocent? Not really. More likely he was leading it. But there was too much "evidence" supporting his innocence.

As far as motivation goes? Yep, agree there. If Trump had no chance of running again then I'm sure that would be the end of it. Garland even publicly stated that the reason for the investigation at this time was due to Trump running for President. Which makes sense because many Republicans have stated that if they take power, they will throw out any potential charges against Trump.

Trump is probably guilty of some stuff though, but the charges are just political. It's both sides playing politics.