U.S. Politics - Thread

[alchemist]

I don't think anyone is defending anything the US ever did. They've always been a warmongering nation. We're just saying that Trump was no anti-war hero, even though he tried to convince people that he was.

Donald Trump used to play a game... he would invite the wives of friends to his office and then call his friends on speaker phone and get them to admit to what latest infidelity they had committed as their wives sat quietly by... and Trump would then f*#% the outraged wives of his friends that want some payback

Trump is at best, a very flawed guy morally, ethically if not just simply a bad guy... I think he has a disturbing fixation on Ivanka Trump... he is at best a compulsive bluffer if not an outright liar... I do not believe he is anywhere near as successful business-wise as he has made himself out to be (eg. when do casinos fail in the US?).... he is impulsive, he would not appear to be particularly intelligent, thin skinned (eg. see his clash with Megyn Kelly), a gambler, a poser (eg. see how he pushes the Montenegrin Prime Minister out of the way at that NATO summit in some bullsh*t macho display), a poor orator, 'The Apprentice' sucked, wanting his a*#% kissed, happy to use violence without the necessary investigation (eg. Syrian bombing), a narcissist, disloyal, I think his university was a fraud etc.

but an establishment responsible for Hiroshima and Afghanistan & Iraq and everything else in-between, labelling a former reality TV star, populist, superficial, narcissistic troll the worst and most dangerous, racist, autocratic president ever is ironic and manipulative

 

[alchemist]

Thankfully it’s not as bad here with the first (and second) amendment stuff the seppos carry on with but your example is particularly bad in the sense that it’s more or less buying favours.

Globally however no political system is ever going to be dirt free because it involves people, money and power - a recipe for corruption in its many forms. I remember reading ‘Scales of Justice’ 30 years ago but always remembered the key line: ‘Corruption doesn’t start with a $10000 bribe - it starts with the half price hamburger’. Still true today.

fair enough

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Donald Trump used to play a game... he would invite the wives of friends to his office and then call his friends on speaker phone and get them to admit to what latest infidelity they had committed as their wives sat quietly by... and Trump would then f*#% the outraged wives of his friends that want some payback

Trump is at best, a very flawed guy morally, ethically if not just simply a bad guy... I think he has a disturbing fixation on Ivanka Trump... he is at best a compulsive bluffer if not an outright liar... I do not believe he is anywhere near as successful business-wise as he has made himself out to be (eg. when do casinos fail in the US?).... he is impulsive, he would not appear to be particularly intelligent, thin skinned (eg. see his clash with Megyn
Kelly), a gambler, a poser (eg. see how he pushes the Montenegrin Prime Minister out of the way at that NATO summit in some bullsh*t macho display), a poor orator, 'The Apprentice' sucked, wanting his a*#% kissed, happy to use violence without the necessary investigation (eg. Syrian bombing), a narcissist, disloyal, I think his university was a fraud etc.

but an establishment responsible for Hiroshima and Afghanistan & Iraq and everything else in-between, labelling a former reality TV star, populist, superficial, narcissistic troll the worst and most dangerous, racist, autocratic president ever is ironic and manipulative

Oh yeah. Without a doubt they used every chance they had to attack him. That's politics. Find a weakness and target it.

Trump did this himself. He used the oldest political tactics there are:

- Lie constantly then straight up deny it

- Lead through fear by taking people's anxiety (unemployment, economic problems) then give people a false target ("it's the immigrants!")

- Create doubt ("Obama has a Muslim name, maybe he's not American")

But the thing is, those tactics work. They may be the oldest tactics, but they're tactics that work.

Obama promised the world and didn't deliver, and I'll openly criticise him for that. But one thing I'll give him massive credit for is that he won twice using hope over fear.

Politics 101. If you want to win, induce fear and hatred. Winning using hope is ridiculously difficult. So I give him praise for that. Even if he didn't really produce much good during his terms.

Trump on the other hand used the simplest tactics and won using those simple tactics. And it worked so well that if it wasn't for Covid, I'm sure he would have won a second term.

The Democrats, the left media, and many others used political tactics to vilify Trump, but he used the same tactics the whole time. He just tricked his followers into believing that he wasn't part of the politically Elite.

He was. He was literally just another politician with another spin.

 

[alchemist]

 

[Hacky McAxe]

She was a horrendous candidate. The funny thing is, there was only one candidate worse than her.... Biden.

I don't get US politics. What is the obsession with electing the worst possible candidate?

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Side note, Trump set a record for lies and/or misinformation. That cracked me up when they went over it. They said that Biden usually states at least 40 lies and/or misinformations per week. During his 2020 campaign this dropped to 5 per week.

Trump averaged 40 per day the whole time. 40 lies and/or misinformation per day. No political candidate has ever come close to that.

 

[alchemist]

She was a horrendous candidate. The funny thing is, there was only one candidate worse than her.... Biden.

I don't get US politics. What is the obsession with electing the worst possible candidate?

Hillary Clinton recently gave her victory speech had she had won the 2016 election

ironic that Hillary Clinton did not write a concession speech on election day in 2016 in case she lost and now gives a tearful victory speech 5 years after the fact for an election she did not win

 

[alchemist]

Side note, Trump set a record for lies and/or misinformation. That cracked me up when they went over it. They said that Biden usually states at least 40 lies and/or misinformations per week. During his 2020 campaign this dropped to 5 per week.

Trump averaged 40 per day the whole time. 40 lies and/or misinformation per day. No political candidate has ever come close to that.

 

[alchemist]

Juicy Smouillet has just been found guilty of 5 of the 6 charges. That's what happens when you get caught telling porkies of an unbelievable nature.

I'll just add this great examination video of the whole situation around the Juicy Smouillet "story", brought to you by Dave Chappelle

Smollett's defence team will appeal the judgement, including likely arguing that he was entitled to a fair (see complaints against the judge's alleged behaviour) and public (due to Covid restrictions) trial which he was denied... probably another 15-18 months before resolution

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Hillary Clinton recently gave her victory speech had she had won the 2016 election

ironic that Hillary Clinton did not write a concession speech on election day in 2016 in case she lost and now gives a tearful victory speech 5 years after the fact for an election she did not win

I still laugh at this everytime I see it...

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Fair enough bit the right wing Trump supporting comedian is probably not going to give a balanced view. This is the same guy who praised Trump for how he dealt with Covid.

 

[alchemist]

Fair enough bit the right wing Trump supporting comedian is probably not going to give a balanced view. This is the same guy who praised Trump for how he dealt with Covid.

I used the video because he collated a few different Biden videos as Obama, the border, Mexico as a whole etc.

 

[alchemist]

I still laugh at this everytime I see it...

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the book "Shattered" as to her failed presidential campaign is a good read... and if you are into those sort of books, the closer to home "Road to Ruin" as to how Abbott and Peta Credlin (now on Sky News) brought down the Abbott government is good, too

 

[DinkumDog]

Hillary Clinton recently gave her victory speech had she had won the 2016 election

Why? Just to somehow stay in the spotlight?
That’s kinda embarrassing in my view.

 

[alchemist]

Why? Just to somehow stay in the spotlight?
That’s kinda embarrassing in my view.

the big difference between Bill and Hillary Clinton is that Hillary lacks Bill's charisma and judgement... for example, Hillary wrote a book "What Happened" as to why she lost the election and upon reading a draft, Bill went at it with a red pen all over the place because he saw how bad Hillary was making herself look

Bill went to Hillary during the campaign to alert her that there were problems in battleground states because a lack of people on the ground but Hillary and her campaign manager, Robby Mook, dismissed Bill as out of touch and that about 242 electoral college votes were guaranteed as they had consistently voted Democrat since the mid to late 80's... and what happened? Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania

Hillary never earned it, never had to fight for it... she was a first lady to a state governor and president, she got shoehorned into the Senate via New York after Bill left office, failed at getting the Democratic nomination for President in 2008 but then was made part of the Obama administration and then ran in 2016 with only Bernie Sanders as a "Democrat" opponent

Bill and Hillary are both very flawed but Bill is likeable, he makes the effort with people... Hillary just expects to get what she wants and cannot accept when she doesn't...

 

[DinkumDog]

the big difference between Bill and Hillary Clinton is that Hillary lacks Bill's charisma and judgement... for example, Hillary wrote a book "What Happened" as to why she lost the election and upon reading a draft, Bill went at it with a red pen all over the place because he saw how bad Hillary was making herself look

Bill went to Hillary during the campaign to alert her that there were problems in battleground states because a lack of people on the ground but Hillary and her campaign manager, Robby Mook, dismissed Bill as out of touch and that about 242 electoral college votes were guaranteed as they had consistently voted Democrat since the mid to late 80's... and what happened? Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania

Hillary never earned it, never had to fight for it... she was a first lady to a state governor and president, she got shoehorned into the Senate via New York after Bill left office, failed at getting the Democratic nomination for President in 2008 but then was made part of the Obama administration and then ran in 2016 with only Bernie Sanders as a "Democrat" opponent

Bill and Hillary are both very flawed but Bill is likeable, he makes the effort with people... Hillary just expects to get what she wants and cannot accept when she doesn't...

I think that’s an accurate summary.
I work for an American company and hence have daily conversations with Americans.
Many told me in 2016 they weren’t voting for Trump but were voting against Hilary - and that happened in Dem strongholds like New York (even though they carried it) - so you can imagine the feeling in the swing states. Of course the ‘deplorables’ comment made things even worse. I guess the inability to read the room / mood hasn’t changed (old dog new tricks) and hence the ridiculous decision to read out a ‘victory’ speech that never was 5 years later…

 

[alchemist]

I think that’s an accurate summary.
I work for an American company and hence have daily conversations with Americans.
Many told me in 2016 they weren’t voting for Trump but were voting against Hilary - and that happened in Dem strongholds like New York (even though they carried it) - so you can imagine the feeling in the swing states. Of course the ‘deplorables’ comment made things even worse. I guess the inability to read the room / mood hasn’t changed (old dog new tricks) and hence the ridiculous decision to read out a ‘victory’ speech that never was 5 years later…

Hillary's inability to read the room is clear but in a grander sense than simply the 'deplorables' comment

Chris Matthews, then of MSNBC, noted that there were serious issues that many Americans were concerned and felt strongly about - trade agreements, migration and the border, and the foreign interventions and wars - that Hillary was inconsistent or on the wrong side of which as compared to Trump (despite Trump's significant and often displayed flaws)

and Hillary's apparent response to these people - or at least half of them - was to label them as deplorable, as racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic etc.

 

[The DoggFather]

They're all evil. Trump wins because he bombed more kids. But Biden could catch up.

May have bombed less but sniffed and molested more.

But still less than Obama, combined.

 

[The DoggFather]

I still laugh at this everytime I see it...

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She forgot to put "wife" after President.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

May have bombed less but sniffed and molested more.

But still less than Obama, combined.

Biden? Yeah.

But Trump bombed more kids in his first 6 months than Obama did in 2 terms. Quite a ridiculous record, then tried to pretend he was the hero.