U.S. Politics Discussion 2.0

[Doogie]

the dude with an alleged hole in his brain fired all the vaccine recommendation staff and is cutting through big pharma corruption, so thats why you are going absolutely mental and are posting in a rugby league forum around the clock lol

this is not about illegal immigration or anything else, this is about RFK going to uncover covid and that being unacceptable so the opponents are fighting with anything they can muster

Thanks for proving I was right. Again.

 

[Rodzilla]

Thanks for proving I was right. Again.

no you are going apeshit mental and there is only one reason, its not illegal immigration, its not racism, its not sexual misadventure, its not bad hair or orange skin, its not ties to epstein, its not any policy

the same reason you went mental over me, you hate trump for bringing in RFK Jnr and being on our side

 

[Hacky McAxe]

I just heard that on the radio,

Excuse my ignorance, I really don't know all the intricate nitty gritty of all of this.

My very simple knowledge of all this, and I welcome you to correct me.
Israel bombed Iran to stop them creating WMD.
Iran then retaliated and here we are.

Now USA are telling Iran that they must stop bombing Israel or they will get involved.

Is that about right?
Ok if I am right, what I want to know is, what gives Israel or the USA or any country for that matter the right to dictate to other nations what weapons they can add to their own military?
USA have WMD so why cant Iran?

Am I looking at this all wrong? what am I missing.

Pretty much, but there's a bit more complexity to it.

Iran signed the Nuclear Proliferation Agreement. That basically means that the UN (or more aptly, the International Atomic Energy Agency) can inspect their nuclear capabilities at any time to determine if they are developing Nukes and if they are, they can demand they stop it. Iran stopped letting the IAEA inspect the weapons. That forced the IAEA and the UN to use covert intel to find out what's happening.

The UN reported that Iran has enriched Uranium to 60% capacity. This is likely why the shit hit the fan. Israel has been saying for decades that Iran is "days away" from developing nukes. To have a decent amount of nukes you need 90% enriched Uranium, but you can still do it with 60% enriched Uranium. It's just harder to do. From a discussion I heard with an ex-IAEA boss on ABC this morning, with 60% enriched Uranium Iran could make 1 nuke in approximately 1 month. Then they could keep producing 1 nuke per month.

So there is some valid concern there especially considering that Iran has stated that their goal is to wipe out Israel.

But there's also other layers to keep in mind. Like how Iran was dismantling their nuclear program after Obama negotiated a deal with them, then when Trump won in 2016 he pulled out of the deal and that's what lead to Iran enriching Uranium again.

Also keep in mind that while Iran signed the Nuclear Proliferation Agreement, Israel didn't. So Israel can develop nukes all they want and there's nothing anyone can do about it. If Israel focuses on developing nukes (or has already developed them), and they take out Iran's nuclear capability then they can hold the whole Middle East hostage.

 

[Fezza]

they can dictate to other countries because they have the power to do so, countries find something unacceptable and they go to war over that, its quite a common situation, for example russia not accepting that ukraine will join NATO after being promised that NATO would not expand towards russia, they went to war to settle the matter

the reason Israel find it unacceptable is Iran have made multiple statements over the years that they believe israel should be wiped off the map, so why don't you start your questioning with what gives that country and other countries the right to conclude that another country shouldn't exist and then attempt to gain weapons that can only achieve exactly that

Yeah that is a very valid point. So I guess as long as Israel only does what is necessary to stop the threat in the interest of their own safety, then yeah I can understand that now, I honestly didn't think about that point.

 

[Rodzilla]

Pretty much, but there's a bit more complexity to it.

Iran signed the Nuclear Proliferation Agreement. That basically means that the UN (or more aptly, the International Atomic Energy Agency) can inspect their nuclear capabilities at any time to determine if they are developing Nukes and if they are, they can demand they stop it. Iran stopped letting the IAEA inspect the weapons. That forced the IAEA and the UN to use covert intel to find out what's happening.

The UN reported that Iran has enriched Uranium to 60% capacity. This is likely why the shit hit the fan. Israel has been saying for decades that Iran is "days away" from developing nukes. To have a decent amount of nukes you need 90% enriched Uranium, but you can still do it with 60% enriched Uranium. It's just harder to do. From a discussion I heard with an ex-IAEA boss on ABC this morning, with 60% enriched Uranium Iran could make 1 nuke in approximately 1 month. Then they could keep producing 1 nuke per month.

So there is some valid concern there especially considering that Iran has stated that their goal is to wipe out Israel.

But there's also other layers to keep in mind. Like how Iran was dismantling their nuclear program after Obama negotiated a deal with them, then when Trump won in 2016 he pulled out of the deal and that's what lead to Iran enriching Uranium again.

Also keep in mind that while Iran signed the Nuclear Proliferation Agreement, Israel didn't. So Israel can develop nukes all they want and there's nothing anyone can do about it. If Israel focuses on developing nukes (or has already developed them), and they take out Iran's nuclear capability then they can hold the whole Middle East hostage.

israel does have nuclear weapons and iran/the rest of the middle east don't, so we have already been living what you say is israel holding the middle east hostage, its not something that could happen as you seem to be suggesting

 

[Fezza]

Pretty much, but there's a bit more complexity to it.

Iran signed the Nuclear Proliferation Agreement. That basically means that the UN (or more aptly, the International Atomic Energy Agency) can inspect their nuclear capabilities at any time to determine if they are developing Nukes and if they are, they can demand they stop it. Iran stopped letting the IAEA inspect the weapons. That forced the IAEA and the UN to use covert intel to find out what's happening.

The UN reported that Iran has enriched Uranium to 60% capacity. This is likely why the shit hit the fan. Israel has been saying for decades that Iran is "days away" from developing nukes. To have a decent amount of nukes you need 90% enriched Uranium, but you can still do it with 60% enriched Uranium. It's just harder to do. From a discussion I heard with an ex-IAEA boss on ABC this morning, with 60% enriched Uranium Iran could make 1 nuke in approximately 1 month. Then they could keep producing 1 nuke per month.

So there is some valid concern there especially considering that Iran has stated that their goal is to wipe out Israel.

But there's also other layers to keep in mind. Like how Iran was dismantling their nuclear program after Obama negotiated a deal with them, then when Trump won in 2016 he pulled out of the deal and that's what lead to Iran enriching Uranium again.

Also keep in mind that while Iran signed the Nuclear Proliferation Agreement, Israel didn't. So Israel can develop nukes all they want and there's nothing anyone can do about it. If Israel focuses on developing nukes (or has already developed them), and they take out Iran's nuclear capability then they can hold the whole Middle East hostage.

I see, that makes a lot of sense now, cheers mate for that info.

 

[Fezza]

Thanks for proving I was right. Again.

no you are going apeshit mental and there is only one reason, its not illegal immigration, its not racism, its not sexual misadventure, its not bad hair or orange skin, its not ties to epstein, its not any policy

the same reason you went mental over me, you hate trump for bringing in RFK Jnr and being on our side

The Doogie V Rod Kennel war is real

 

[Rodzilla]

Yeah that is a very valid point. So I guess as long as Israel only does what is necessary to stop the threat in the interest of their own safety, then yeah I can understand that now, I honestly didn't think about that point.

the israel middle east conflict is often viewed very one sided, for example people complain about palestinian civilian casualties when those civilians elected the group Hamas who also put the obliteration of israel in their charter, so these people want israel to be destroyed and it could be looked at as ironic that they were destroyed instead, its like the fuck around find out thing

 

[Rodzilla]

The Doogie V Rod Kennel war is real

Doogie admitted he supports someone creating a virus that wipes out chunks of humanity because it would help climate change

i want people who create viruses that wipe out chunks of humanity to be burned alive while a large crowd watches and celebrates

so naturally we are eternal enemies and don't see eye to eye, it reminds me of all the other wars

 

[Doogie]

The Doogie V Rod Kennel war is real

Nah. Just me toying with one of the plebs.

 

[Nate DAWG]

israel does have nuclear weapons and iran/the rest of the middle east don't, so we have already been living what you say is israel holding the middle east hostage, its not something that could happen as you seem to be suggesting

Israel is clearly holding the middle east hostage and doing as they please

 

[Rodzilla]

but also i support countries who hate israel to do what they can to fight, just dont complain and whine like bitches when they do to you what you would do to them

 

[Nate DAWG]

the israel middle east conflict is often viewed very one sided, for example people complain about palestinian civilian casualties when those civilians elected the group Hamas who also put the obliteration of israel in their charter, so these people want israel to be destroyed and it could be looked at as ironic that they were destroyed instead, its like the fuck around find out thing

That is a complete bullshit take

 

[Rodzilla]

That is a complete bullshit take

whats the bullshit part?

1) hamas charter calls for israel total destruction/obliteration
2) israel total destruction would typically include their current civilians and doesn't sound nice
3) palestinians elected hamas in 2006, hamas is clearly the party most hardline against israel
4) most palestinians must have hard feelings against israel and want its destruction/obliteration otherwise they would have voted for a more moderate party

i mean you can debate if they deserve to have that sentiment against israel, i will listen to that but clearly they aren't peaceful people just looking to move forward

 

[Doogie]

Pretty much, but there's a bit more complexity to it.

Iran signed the Nuclear Proliferation Agreement. That basically means that the UN (or more aptly, the International Atomic Energy Agency) can inspect their nuclear capabilities at any time to determine if they are developing Nukes and if they are, they can demand they stop it. Iran stopped letting the IAEA inspect the weapons. That forced the IAEA and the UN to use covert intel to find out what's happening.

The UN reported that Iran has enriched Uranium to 60% capacity. This is likely why the shit hit the fan. Israel has been saying for decades that Iran is "days away" from developing nukes. To have a decent amount of nukes you need 90% enriched Uranium, but you can still do it with 60% enriched Uranium. It's just harder to do. From a discussion I heard with an ex-IAEA boss on ABC this morning, with 60% enriched Uranium Iran could make 1 nuke in approximately 1 month. Then they could keep producing 1 nuke per month.

So there is some valid concern there especially considering that Iran has stated that their goal is to wipe out Israel.

But there's also other layers to keep in mind. Like how Iran was dismantling their nuclear program after Obama negotiated a deal with them, then when Trump won in 2016 he pulled out of the deal and that's what lead to Iran enriching Uranium again.

Also keep in mind that while Iran signed the Nuclear Proliferation Agreement, Israel didn't. So Israel can develop nukes all they want and there's nothing anyone can do about it. If Israel focuses on developing nukes (or has already developed them), and they take out Iran's nuclear capability then they can hold the whole Middle East hostage.

The IAEA guy didn't tell the whole story.

U can get away with lower yields. Just need more of it and a bigger weapon. And if u were talking Israel, given they are likely to blow it up prior to land, its the fallout that's the killer.

And if u are going down that path, then a lower yield is better as you get a bigger fallout zone, coz there is more uranium present.

Tbf though, the hypocrisy here is staggering. A non NPT country is shooting at a NPT country coz they may make nukes. IAEA is not exactly applying the same rules for all here.

 

[Nano]

Won't be long until Trump posts, "OBVIOUSLY THEY ALL PLAY FOR THE BULLDOGS!! THE BULLDOGS MUST BE STOPPED!!! THEY HAVE WMDS!!!"

Ah yes, the Burto bomb use conundrum lol

 

[Hacky McAxe]

That is a complete bullshit take

Don't stress too much. Rod posted that for one reason. He knows there's many here with family in Palestine. He knows that they'll take the bait and blow up, then this thread will get locked, then Rod will hug his RFK Jr body pillow saying, "I did it Daddy. I finally did it"

 

[Wahesh]

I still think that Trump is handling this situation better than the Democrats would have. They would have the US Army over there right now helping the IDF. Trump is better an observer... at this stage.

 

[Nate DAWG]

whats the bullshit part?

1) hamas charter calls for israel total destruction/obliteration
2) israel total destruction would typically include their current civilians and doesn't sound nice
3) palestinians elected hamas in 2006, hamas is clearly the party most hardline against israel
4) most palestinians must have hard feelings against israel and want its destruction/obliteration otherwise they would have voted for a more moderate party

i mean you can debate if they deserve to have that sentiment against israel, i will listen to that but clearly they aren't peaceful people just looking to move forward

The bullshit part is that take absolves Israel of all responsibility as if they are some passive peace loving victim in the Middle East. If you think a Netanyahu led Zionist regime has peace on their mind then covid conspiracies are not your biggest problem

 

[CaptainJackson]

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