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Hacky McAxe said:
Israel has just launched a large scale attack targeting all of Iran's nuclear sites. They have also gone into high alert expecting retaliation.

Earlier the US started pulling key people out of the Middle East. Looks like the full scale war is starting.
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Isreal can bomb its neighbors, take away other people lands, kill babies, displace millions of people, starve them to death, UN and ICJ calls it head of state a war criminal yet its all ok cos

"Isreal is defending it self"
 
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Who are we going for in Israel v Iran tiff?
The yehoudi are the yehoudi and need no introduction but I also see the logic in not giving Iran nukes.
 
Indiandog said:
Isreal can bomb its neighbors, take away other people lands, kill babies, displace millions of people, starve them to death, UN and ICJ calls it head of state a war criminal yet its all ok cos

"Isreal is defending it self"
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It’s disgusting ID. It has reeked of double standards for over 100 years, and been going on for far too long.
 
Indiandog said:
Which country has iran ever bombed and/or invaded?

what is your logic behind giving no nukes to Iran?
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Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthi rebels, etc, are Iran's proxies, same playbook the Russians and Americans used during the Cold War, arming one militia or insurgent group or another to achieve their ends.
 
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Can someone tell me what’s to stop Iran purchasing or negotiating a hazelnut bomb from Russia and taking out Israel in one hit?
 
Bismallah_Bulldogg said:
Can someone tell me what’s to stop Iran purchasing or negotiating a hazelnut bomb from Russia and taking out Israel in one hit?
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Is Putin really that crazy to assist Iran? Plus he is bogged down in Ukraine. Putin abandoned Syria, he could do exactly the same with Iran.
 
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GoTheDoggies said:
Is Putin really that crazy to assist Iran? Plus he is bogged down in Ukraine. Putin abandoned Syria, he could do exactly the same with Iran.
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He talks to them.
He just needs to give 1/2 hazelnuts to Iran and they do the rest. Maybe technology theft is a concern but something can be arranged.
Two strikes and no more Israel
 
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UmoGus said:
The biggest bitch in all of this is King Abdullah in Jordan. Fucking defending Israel
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that’s easy.
Becasue when they took it Palestinians last time they tried to kill his family
 
Indiandog said:
Which country has iran ever bombed and/or invaded?

what is your logic behind giving no nukes to Iran?
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So you got a few different issues here overlapping. There is the whole shia/sunni thing going on which was a key driver for ME politics for years. the OPEC wars of the early 70s got the US attention down there and the Saudis (sunni) started to build a relationship with the US. Then the shias got control of Iran in the late 70s and knocked out the US affiliated Shah. Add in the hostage crisis of 79 and thats the start.

Israel and Saudi have pumped the US since then to be anti Iran. So theres a horse/cart problem here. Did the 'threats' start first or did the western/sunni bullying of Iran start first? Who knows.

Iran has the potential to be a superpower in the region so its best for Saudis to keep the foot on. Would they be a 'good' nation? Well, the best thing for the US military industrial complex to maintain critical mass is an enemy. Iran ticks a lot of boxes no matter what they do. So who knows? No doubt they have been involved in subversive activities in other countries but tbf - the US does that all day every day. So whats fair and whats not?

As for nukes - you are now getting nuclear non proliferation. And thats another can of worms.

In terms however of having crossed lines, no doubt at all that Israel crossed a massive line with the taking out of the Hezbollah dude in Tehran a year ago. Dude was in an embassy and got taken down by missile. Embassies are sacred ground. No excuses on that. Israel didn't care.

So, why are Israel doing this? Damn simple and its not about Iran. If Israel have an election tomorrow, Satanyahu and the rest of the clowns are going to jail. The charges against them (just in Israel) are stacking up and they know they are getting destroyed in an election. But, at war, no election and the Palestine thing has done its time. So lets find someone else.

Now where Israel have fckd up is they are going to cop it. After the embassy attack Iran sent waves of outdated missiles to see what the iron dome limit is. They worked out the number.

So after speaking to my guys at Lizard Military Command, they see this playing out one of 2 ways in the short term. Did Israel get enough intel to take down Iranian ballistics? If so its just gunna be guerilla stuff from Iran and noise. If not, somewhere in Israel is gunna get hurt badly. Longer term (and this is why Israel have not done this b4) where's the offramp?

Israel does not have the military to invade. And unless the US goes ape in support, they are gunna run out of high grade munitions. Iran is used to running on oily rags and also has a good infiltration network in the middle east.

So the best outcome is Israel bullies Iran a bit and then backs off and Iran loses capacity to really bite back. If Iran can bite back, this could get real ugly.
 
Grunthos said:
Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthi rebels, etc, are Iran's proxies, same playbook the Russians and Americans used during the Cold War, arming one militia or insurgent group or another to achieve their ends.
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Some would say they are fighting against the genocidal regime and illegally occupying force as already declared by ICJ and United Nations.
 
Doogie said:
So you got a few different issues here overlapping. There is the whole shia/sunni thing going on which was a key driver for ME politics for years. the OPEC wars of the early 70s got the US attention down there and the Saudis (sunni) started to build a relationship with the US. Then the shias got control of Iran in the late 70s and knocked out the US affiliated Shah. Add in the hostage crisis of 79 and thats the start.

Israel and Saudi have pumped the US since then to be anti Iran. So theres a horse/cart problem here. Did the 'threats' start first or did the western/sunni bullying of Iran start first? Who knows.

Iran has the potential to be a superpower in the region so its best for Saudis to keep the foot on. Would they be a 'good' nation? Well, the best thing for the US military industrial complex to maintain critical mass is an enemy. Iran ticks a lot of boxes no matter what they do. So who knows? No doubt they have been involved in subversive activities in other countries but tbf - the US does that all day every day. So whats fair and whats not?

As for nukes - you are now getting nuclear non proliferation. And thats another can of worms.

In terms however of having crossed lines, no doubt at all that Israel crossed a massive line with the taking out of the Hezbollah dude in Tehran a year ago. Dude was in an embassy and got taken down by missile. Embassies are sacred ground. No excuses on that. Israel didn't care.

So, why are Israel doing this? Damn simple and its not about Iran. If Israel have an election tomorrow, Satanyahu and the rest of the clowns are going to jail. The charges against them (just in Israel) are stacking up and they know they are getting destroyed in an election. But, at war, no election and the Palestine thing has done its time. So lets find someone else.

Now where Israel have fckd up is they are going to cop it. After the embassy attack Iran sent waves of outdated missiles to see what the iron dome limit is. They worked out the number.

So after speaking to my guys at Lizard Military Command, they see this playing out one of 2 ways in the short term. Did Israel get enough intel to take down Iranian ballistics? If so its just gunna be guerilla stuff from Iran and noise. If not, somewhere in Israel is gunna get hurt badly. Longer term (and this is why Israel have not done this b4) where's the offramp?

Israel does not have the military to invade. And unless the US goes ape in support, they are gunna run out of high grade munitions. Iran is used to running on oily rags and also has a good infiltration network in the middle east.

So the best outcome is Israel bullies Iran a bit and then backs off and Iran loses capacity to really bite back. If Iran can bite back, this could get real ugly.
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get what you are saying and agree to a point but Isreal can bomb every one in ME in the name of self defence and get away with it, like it is getting away the current genocide.

Who is there to stop Israel from committing war crimes and other atrocities?

literally no one.
 
Indiandog said:
Some would say they are fighting against the genocidal regime and illegally occupying force as already declared by ICJ and United Nations.
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Yeah, who initiated a bloody attack on them.
However,
What Netanyahu is doing now is a war crime of gargantuan proportions and has gone way beyond mere retaliation.
Any moral high ground Israel may have had has long been lost.
Netanyahu, like Trump and Putin, needs some "ballistic intervention" asap!
 
Grunthos said:
Yeah, who initiated a bloody attack on them.
However,
What Netanyahu is doing now is a war crime of gargantuan proportions and has gone way beyond mere retaliation.
Any moral high ground Israel may have had has long been lost.
Netanyahu, like Trump and Putin, needs some "ballistic intervention" asap!
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Who initiated what attack ?

October 7 ?

Illegal occupation has been going on since 1948 .

Hamas was born much much later.
 
Indiandog said:
get what you are saying and agree to a point but Isreal can bomb every one in ME in the name of self defence and get away with it, like it is getting away the current genocide.

Who is there to stop Israel from committing war crimes and other atrocities?

literally no one.
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So - forget Palestine for now. Thats a fully internal Israel issue (in the eyes of most of the world) and the context of that and this are miles different.

Israel cannot bomb everyone in the ME and get away with it. My advice, you want to know why things happen, look at who benefits. There are no moral wars these days - its all about who reaps the most.

So, lets roll through the 8 biggest countries in the ME. Saudi, Iran, Egypt, Turkey (ME?), Yemen, Iraq, Oman, Syria. Lets exclude Turkey because its not really ME. Oman is basically a Saudi surrogate as a founding member of the GCC. So what do the other 6 all have in common?

All of them, except Saudi, are considered 'evil' by the US (although Egypt has improved in recent times because they have behaved and are not really a threat). Excluding Saudi, they all have been messed up by military or sanctions. All this unrest from country to country and yet, Saudi sits back and enjoys the ride. How? Oil. Saudis control OPEC and therefore control the world economy. Guarantee Israel are not doing this without US support and the US are not supporting it without a go/no go from the Saudis. And I would not be surprised if the Saudis pushed for it because of the idea of Taco Piss Turds 'treaty' and return to the world economy. Thats a threat to the Saudis. If Iran is back in the good books can ramp up to be a world power real quick.

I would also not be surprised if the US was left out of the loop and the Saudis went directly to Israel on this. All about benefits.

Who can stop them? As I said b4 - hard to see where the offramp is pending how far each of them want to go. And thats also defined by benefits.
 
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