U.S. Politics Discussion 2.0

[axeman23]

Yep. I think it's pretty clearly obvious they were just following Israel. But Trump wants to pretend that he's the best military intelligence/strategist alive.

Trump: "You know, FAR be it from me to be BRAGADOCIOUS, but it was actually ME that gave George Washington the idea to cross the Delaware on Christmas Day, surprising those damn Brits..."

Journalist: "Ummm... That happened in 1776, sir. You weren't BORN for another 170 years..."

Trump, genuinely surprised: "Are you SURE? Hmmm, maybe i told someone ELSE that's what he should have done..."

Journalist: "But that's what he DID do, sir. It's been on public record ever SINCE! He won the war with that attack..."

Trump: "SEE what a great general I am???"

 

[SARGE]

In all honesty, the only difference I see between the likes of ISIS and christian conservatives, is that one wear's suits and has a PR program. When you dig deep enough their beliefs and some of their actions are strikingly similar but one lot are stopped by civil liberty, human rights laws/regulations/norms that were brought in by "lefties". If those laws/regulations/norms did not exist, there'd be no difference between the two.

Really bro?

Out of respect for anyone involved, ill keep it short with just the facts. One group goes against what their book tells them to with their enemies and the other group does what their book tells them to do to their enemies.

Sure they might be both extremists, but one group is instructed to be extremists and one group is instructed not to be.

 

[DinkumDog]

In all honesty, the only difference I see between the likes of ISIS and christian conservatives, is that one wear's suits and has a PR program. When you dig deep enough their beliefs and some of their actions are strikingly similar but one lot are stopped by civil liberty, human rights laws/regulations/norms that were brought in by "lefties". If those laws/regulations/norms did not exist, there'd be no difference between the two.

I‘ve posed this question many times to those painting certain pictures: ‘What‘s the difference between Al-Qaeda and the IRA?’. Got a lot of blank looks back. Both groups used fear and violence to achieve their goals. In the end ‘religion‘ and even ‘ideology‘ play a limited role. Money and power is the objective, especially as you get higher up the food chain from the foot soldiers.

 

[Nano]

Really bro?

Out of respect for anyone involved, ill keep it short with just the facts. One group goes against what their book tells them to with their enemies and the other group does what their book tells them to do to their enemies.

Sure they might be both extremists, but one group is instructed to be extremists and one group is instructed not to be.

He might be talking about the war mongers who hide behind Christian conservatism i.e. the suits and PR program note?

 

[SARGE]

He might be talking about the war mongers who hide behind Christian conservatism i.e. the suits and PR program note?

They are extremists and deserve the same treatment as all extremists. Im not saying one is better than the other. They are all the same, evil shit. No matter who or what they believe or not believe in.

But my point is they might try to hide behind Christianity but anyone with half a brain would know they are doing the exact opposite of what Jesus Christ commands them to do, making them antichrist.

Just gives low IQ sheep a reason to hate on Christians more and justifies attacks on Christians. Use Zion Don as an example, he admitted he isnt Christian, he got introduced as the first jewish president and said "its true" but you get moron mouth breathers still thinking he is Christian.

But real Christians expect this, we were told 2000 years ago that we will be hated by the world for His name.

 

[steeliz]

Yep. I think it's pretty clearly obvious they were just following Israel. But Trump wants to pretend that he's the best military intelligence/strategist alive.

The best military intelligence/strategist with bone spurs alive.

How could anyone be so good with such a handicap???

 

[Doogie]

I‘ve posed this question many times to those painting certain pictures: ‘What‘s the difference between Al-Qaeda and the IRA?’. Got a lot of blank looks back. Both groups used fear and violence to achieve their goals. In the end ‘religion‘ and even ‘ideology‘ play a limited role. Money and power is the objective, especially as you get higher up the food chain from the foot soldiers.

U2 never wrote a song about Al-qaeda.

U hang out with some dumb people dude.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Really bro?

Out of respect for anyone involved, ill keep it short with just the facts. One group goes against what their book tells them to with their enemies and the other group does what their book tells them to do to their enemies.

Sure they might be both extremists, but one group is instructed to be extremists and one group is instructed not to be.

Bro they both use justification from their books to act the way they do. All those religious books are open to interpretation. You may not see them as christian and see them as against the bible, but they will swear until they're blue in the face that they're the real christians and you aren't a real christian. I've seen bible thumping christians say to a mother, who's son was going through mental depression and other mental health problems, that it was her fault because she turned away from jesus and this was a test of her faith.

Having been brought up with muslims and living in a christian country, the rational that both sets of conservatives use for their bigotry against other minorities is exactly the same, the rational they both use as to who is good and who is evil is exactly the same.

I specifically said conservatives. Conservatives have bombed abortion clinics in the US, conservatives have enacted conversion therapy at great mental health harm to the LGQBT community, for same sex marriage we had here, the arguments were now bestiality is going to be accepted and marriage to animals is going to happen which were complete bullshit arguments but again the reasoning is same as mulsim extremists. Bush Jnr said it was holy war against Iraq, there's no difference (to me) from pushing a button for a bomb vs beheading someone. Conservative ones have the same outlook for women as their Islamic conservatives, they're to be subjugated to men but they spin at as a "wholesome family" the way god intended it to be.

There's many more of the ethics and morals that they share. The blood lust is also there against their perceived enemies, it's just that one you have a lone wolf do it vs the other you can sign up to a state sponsored army to go kill the "baddies" in a far away land.

Edit:

One last bit, I think it was Sean Hannity, this was years ago, who went on such a rant about abortions and about a specific Doctor, that a christian conservative, influenced by Hannity's shows, went and killed that Dr, all in the name of protecting god's laws.

 

[Doogie]

So lets do some Doogie numbers on the Witkoff claim. The claim is:

They have 10,000, roughly, kilograms of fissionable material. That's broken up into roughly 460 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium, another thousand kilograms of 20% enriched uranium, and the balance is at 3.67. That would make 11 nuclear bombs and some bombs could be available in days.

Basically need 90% enriched and around 25kgs to make a decent boomie. So, the only way is to get to that quickly is to use the 460 kgs at 60%. Now at 60%, you are probably losing another 200kg so that gets us to around 260kg. Depends on purity (which is the 3.67 above) but overall, the number checks out.

The problem is the time frame. Go from scratch to 90% using best gear and centrifuge availability is not the limiting factor - 3 years. So again, assume 60 - 90% is a year.

Now thats for a true nuke. Dirty bomb they could load it up now - the more enriched the better (worse?) the outcome. But no real boomie with a dirty bomb.

Don't pass the Doogie math.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Bro they both use justification from their books to act the way they do. All those religious books are open to interpretation. You may not see them as christian and see them as against the bible, but they will swear until they're blue in the face that they're the real christians and you aren't a real christian. I've seen bible thumping christians say to a mother, who's son was going through mental depression and other mental health problems, that it was her fault because she turned away from jesus and this was a test of her faith.

Having been brought up with muslims and living in a christian country, the rational that both sets of conservatives use for their bigotry against other minorities is exactly the same, the rational they both use as to who is good and who is evil is exactly the same.

I specifically said conservatives. Conservatives have bombed abortion clinics in the US, conservatives have enacted conversion therapy at great mental health harm to the LGQBT community, for same sex marriage we had here, the arguments were now bestiality is going to be accepted and marriage to animals is going to happen which were complete bullshit justifications but again the reasoning is same as mulsim extremists. Bush Jnr said it was holy war against Iraq, there's no difference (to me) from pushing a button for a bomb vs beheading someone. Conservative ones have the same outlook for women as their Islamic conservatives, they're to be subjugated to men but they spin at as a "wholesome family" the way god intended it to be.

There's many more of the ethics and morals that they share. The blood lust is also there against their perceived enemies, it's just that one you have a lone wolf do it vs the other you can sign up to a state sponsored army to go kill the "baddies" in a far away land.

Edit:

One last bit, I think it was Sean Hannity, this was years ago, who went on such a rant about abortions and about a specific Doctor, that a christian conservative, influenced by Hannity's shows, went and killed that Dr, all in the name of protecting god's laws.

SARGE I'm not speaking about the religious texts themselves, I'm speaking about specific sects who claim they follow those texts. So I'm not having a go at the bible, I'm speaking of particular religious groups

 

[CaptainJackson]

I‘ve posed this question many times to those painting certain pictures: ‘What‘s the difference between Al-Qaeda and the IRA?’. Got a lot of blank looks back. Both groups used fear and violence to achieve their goals. In the end ‘religion‘ and even ‘ideology‘ play a limited role. Money and power is the objective, especially as you get higher up the food chain from the foot soldiers.

Yep, the Saudi royal family are as far away from religious as you can get, yet Saudi has the most hardline muslim sect (wahhabis), same with the republican party politicians and it's maga cult.

 

[SARGE]

Bro they both use justification from their books to act the way they do. All those religious books are open to interpretation. You may not see them as christian and see them as against the bible, but they will swear until they're blue in the face that they're the real christians and you aren't a real christian. I've seen bible thumping christians say to a mother, who's son was going through mental depression and other mental health problems, that it was her fault because she turned away from jesus and this was a test of her faith.

Having been brought up with muslims and living in a christian country, the rational that both sets of conservatives use for their bigotry against other minorities is exactly the same, the rational they both use as to who is good and who is evil is exactly the same.

I specifically said conservatives. Conservatives have bombed abortion clinics in the US, conservatives have enacted conversion therapy at great mental health harm to the LGQBT community, for same sex marriage we had here, the arguments were now bestiality is going to be accepted and marriage to animals is going to happen which were complete bullshit arguments but again the reasoning is same as mulsim extremists. Bush Jnr said it was holy war against Iraq, there's no difference (to me) from pushing a button for a bomb vs beheading someone. Conservative ones have the same outlook for women as their Islamic conservatives, they're to be subjugated to men but they spin at as a "wholesome family" the way god intended it to be.

There's many more of the ethics and morals that they share. The blood lust is also there against their perceived enemies, it's just that one you have a lone wolf do it vs the other you can sign up to a state sponsored army to go kill the "baddies" in a far away land.

Edit:

One last bit, I think it was Sean Hannity, this was years ago, who went on such a rant about abortions and about a specific Doctor, that a christian conservative, influenced by Hannity's shows, went and killed that Dr, all in the name of protecting god's laws.

I can't speak for Muslims, Jews or atheists, but I get the shits when these demons try to twist clear instructions to fuel their evil.

Like seriously, how do you twist "Love one another as I have loved you" and "turn the other cheek" and "pray for them" to justify evil?

I am not a saint, far from it. Im not holier than anyone. But there is a special place in hell for those demons who havent got the balls to admit they serve satan and try to hide it behind other beliefs.

It just burns me bro.

 

[SARGE]

SARGE I'm not speaking about the religious texts themselves, I'm speaking about specific sects who claim they follow those texts. So I'm not having a go at the bible, I'm speaking of particular religious groups

And thats where I am 100% with you.

Extremists are extremists and should be sent back to hell. Every last one of them.

 

[CaptainJackson]

I can't speak for Muslims, Jews or atheists, but I get the shits when these demons try to twist clear instructions to fuel their evil.

Like seriously, how do you twist "Love one another as I have loved you" and "turn the other cheek" and "pray for them" to justify evil?

I am not a saint, far from it. Im not holier than anyone. But there is a special place in hell for those demons who havent got the balls to admit they serve satan and try to hide it behind other beliefs.

It just burns me bro.

Bro a lot of it is rooted in human psychology, they play a major way in how a person views the world, religion has somewhat to do with it, but it's more influenced by other factors.

That's why I laugh my arse off when people talk about assimilation or integration (when it comes to immigrants), there are people in the same country, who were in that country for generations, as those that complain about that stuff, that wouldn't even say hello to them, that would swear their cultures, morals and ethics are completely different from them.

 

[SARGE]

Bro a lot of it is rooted in human psychology, they play a major way in how a person views the world, religion has somewhat to do with it, but it's more influenced by other factors.

That's why I laugh my arse off when people talk about assimilation or integration (when it comes to immigrants), there are people in the same country, who were in that country for generation, as those that complain about that stuff, that wouldn't even say hello to them, that would swear their cultures, morals and ethics are completely different from them.

Which strengthens my theory. Even if religion didn't exist, humans will still hate and kill humans. Race, imaginary lines on a map, hell even if you don't believe the same way another group doesn't believe. South Park did a clever episode showing a war between athiests and athiests.

Not being blasphemous, but humans have made humans Gods worse creation.

 

[DinkumDog]

U2 never wrote a song about Al-qaeda.

U hang out with some dumb people dude.

They did! It’s just that Al-Ahad Bloody Al-Ahad didn’t chart as well. You‘ll find it on the B-Sides and Rarities collection .

 

[dogluva]

A long article setting out Trumps “objectives “with one interesting observation by the writer listed below. Does make for interesting reading probably in line with the thoughts of a lot of people.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trump-tries-to-clean-up-confusion-over-his-objectives-in-war-with-iran/news-story/b8ec8538e83a15fc698ffb88139c61b6?amp

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Or, to be grimly cynical, was this merely a case of Mr Trump enjoying the experience of issuing orders and then watching stuff explode on television?

 

[Wahesh]

America says they've hit 1700 Iranian targets. How on Earth is that even possible? What is a target... a stray cat on the street??

 

[GoTheDoggies]

So Murika and Israel's strategy drop bombs everywhere to create chaos then start funding ISIL or some other factions to overthrow the government.

Straight out of the Syria / Lybia playbook and Putin will cuck out once again. Guy is a total fraud on the world stage.

 

[CaptainJackson]

DinkumDog this is in reference when we were speaking about AIPAC backed democrats, losing out to more progressive candidates. This is even more amplified given Jasmine Crockett is a black woman and it was majority black votes that got her in, in the first place