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[Rodzilla]

ferrari have 1 non schumacher championship since 1979 btw

 

[Bazildog]

Hahahahahahaha. You’re a funny bloke. Don’t know shit about F1 but a funny bloke.

Yep, sorry I forgot you were the resident expert on everything from NRL, NBA, EPL, and of course F1..

ferrari have 1 non schumacher championship since 1979 btw

That would be because they haven’t had the right car/driver combo since. Just like there is only 1 Senna and 1 Fangio and 1 Prost, there was only 1 Schumacher. But had Ferrari not had the best car and Williams did, Schumacher would have driven won his titles there, end of.

 

[Rodzilla]

Yep, sorry I forgot you were the resident expert on everything from NRL, NBA, EPL, and of course F1..



That would be because they haven’t had the right car/driver combo since. Just like there is only 1 Senna and 1 Fangio and 1 Prost, there was only 1 Schumacher. But had Ferrari not had the best car and Williams did, Schumacher would have driven won his titles there, end of.

schumacher was off contract in 1995 and williams was clearly the best car, if he wanted to be in the best car he would have got himself into the williams team, but like a true competitor he joined the team that hadn't won in 1979 and bring them to the top, im sure the large amount of money on the table was interesting to him as well

btw people who say schumacher is a cheater and wants to win at all costs ignore this very important part of his career, he could have joined williams in 1996 and then abandoned ship to mclaren when they got dominant, he could have won 12 titles if he wanted but he is a true sportsman who wanted to compete

that differentiates him from senna, senna whined and bitched that he couldn't drive the best car, called prost a coward for vetoing him from joining williams, threatened to retire or sit out the season, offered to drive for williams for free, then finally got his way in 1994

 

[Bazildog]

schumacher was off contract in 1995 and williams was clearly the best car, if he wanted to be in the best car he would have got himself into the williams team, but like a true competitor he joined the team that hadn't won in 1979 and bring them to the top, im sure the large amount of money on the table was interesting to him as well

btw people who say schumacher is a cheater and wants to win at all costs ignore this very important part of his career, he could have joined williams in 1996 and then abandoned ship to mclaren when they got dominant, he could have won 12 titles if he wanted but he is a true sportsman who wanted to compete

that differentiates him from senna, senna whined and bitched that he couldn't drive the best car, called prost a coward for vetoing him from joining williams, threatened to retire or sit out the season, offered to drive for williams for free, then finally got his way in 1994

Willams already had Damon Hill and Frank Williams wanted to punt Coulthard and sign Jacques Villenuve for 96 so Shuey was never an option at Williams. Todt and Ferrari boss's had been plotting to bring Schumacher over for more than 12 months with a massive offer and performance promises and on top of all that they also agreed to Schumacher bringing Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne from Benetton who had a massive imput into Benetton Renaults 2 World Championships. Stop making stuff up, Shuey was never going to anywhere but Ferrari.

Prost vetoed Senna because Senna had already had his way with him at Maclaren and your comment about not being able to drive the best car shows how little you know about that period. The almost unbeatable Willaims of 1993 has stripped of all its clever bits by F1 (to try and even the field) so the car Senna drove for those first 3 races of 1994 was a totally different animal which he still managed to put on pole for all of them before dying at Imola..

 

[Rodzilla]

Willams already had Damon Hill and Frank Williams wanted to punt Coulthard and sign Jacques Villenuve for 96 so Shuey was never an option at Williams. Todt and Ferrari boss's had been plotting to bring Schumacher over for more than 12 months with a massive offer and performance promises and on top of all that they also agreed to Schumacher bringing Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne from Benetton who had a massive imput into Benetton Renaults 2 World Championships. Stop making stuff up, Shuey was never going to anywhere but Ferrari.

Prost vetoed Senna because Senna had already had his way with him at Maclaren and your comment about not being able to drive the best car shows how little you know about that period. The almost unbeatable Willaims of 1993 has stripped of all its clever bits by F1 (to try and even the field) so the car Senna drove for those first 3 races of 1994 was a totally different animal which he still managed to put on pole for all of them before dying at Imola..

you have no idea about that era, coulthard signed for mclaren for 1996 and beyond immediately on the same day as signing a one year deal with williams, that seat was open for 1996 and williams decided to get hid of hill and hire frentzen in 1995

clearly schumacher was the best driver and if he wanted to insert himself into the williams for 1996 he would make it public and done so, same thing for mclaren later on, but of course he would have to sacrifice money and join the team that accused him of being a cheat in 1994

prost won the world championship in 1989 and mclaren got rid of him for senna, thats why prost vetoed senna, i didn't hear any whining from senna that he wouldn't drive unless he got to compete with prost equally back then, he enjoyed beating prost in 1990 and 1991 and only when prost was fired and able to secure a williams drive did he think it was unfair

senna is the bitch who wanted to sell out and needed the williams to win, schumacher is the legend who showed how you compete against williams

 

[Bazildog]

you have no idea about that era, coulthard signed for mclaren for 1996 and beyond immediately on the same day as signing a one year deal with williams, that seat was open for 1996 and williams decided to get hid of hill and hire frentzen in 1995

clearly schumacher was the best driver and if he wanted to insert himself into the williams for 1996 he would make it public and done so, same thing for mclaren later on, but of course he would have to sacrifice money and join the team that accused him of being a cheat in 1994

prost won the world championship in 1989 and mclaren got rid of him for senna, thats why prost vetoed senna, i didn't hear any whining from senna that he wouldn't drive unless he got to compete with prost equally back then, he enjoyed beating prost in 1990 and 1991 and only when prost was fired and able to secure a williams drive did he think it was unfair

senna is the bitch who wanted to sell out and needed the williams to win, schumacher is the legend who showed how you compete against williams

hahahahaha
Your knowledge of F1 is like your Covid rubbish..Hill won the World championship in 1996 and was replaced for 97 by Frentzen...

Schumacher was a gun driver and although he never had any intention of going to Williams he still ended up driving the best if not equal best car on the grid.

It’s ok for you to be a Shuey fanboy, just stop telling lies..

 

[Rodzilla]

hahahahaha
Your knowledge of F1 is like your Covid rubbish..Hill won the World championship in 1996 and was replaced for 97 by Frentzen...

Schumacher was a gun driver and although he never had any intention of going to Williams he still ended up driving the best if not equal best car on the grid.

It’s ok for you to be a Shuey fanboy, just stop telling lies..

yeah he won the title and was still replaced, i think after he spun off at the nurburbring in 1995 frank williams made the decision to go with frentzen for 1997, it had a little to do with money and williams feeling like the driver was just another spare part of the car they could replace easily

it had more to do frentzen having the reputation of being faster than schumacher when they were in the mercedes sportscar team, and senna talking about him in 1994, so williams went for their very own poor mans schumacher

you are saying that if schumacher was absolutely determined to join williams in 1996, he wouldnt have been able to? they would have still gone with villeneuve?

he turned that team into the best on the grid, any team he would have gone to would have been the best in the grid

if he joined tyrell then they would have been the best team on the grid, first off all he would be able to win races with it and be 3rd in the championship, remember what i said about mika salo qualifying the ferrari in the midfield and then schumacher stepping in and putting it on a clear pole with an injured leg? look over salo's results and then add 1.5 seconds each qualifying to see where schumacher would be on the grid

after an incredible 1996 for tyrell, that team has a new belief and they have better sponsorship because all the cameras were on schumacher all season, a better engine partner now wants to be involved, they have more money to hire ross brawn etc, 1997 would be a better season, then 1998

schumacher would win the world title and tyrell wins the constructors championship and you will come in 20 years later and complain that schumacher was driving the best car on the grid the tyrell

 

[Bazildog]

you are saying that if schumacher was absolutely determined to join williams in 1996, he wouldnt have been able to? they would have still gone with villeneuve?

Where did I say that? I simply said Williams was not an option at the time and it wasnt. Its all bullshit anyway as the Ferrari plan had been in place long before Schmacher had even started his second championship year with Benetton. Why would Schumacher even consider moving away from a team that had just given him his first world title and was about to deliver the second..? Go watch a few Docos about the rise of Ferrari in the late ninetys and you will get the picture.

Ferrari had an open cheque book and a determination to win Championships again both Driver and Constructor which is why they headed hunted the best designers and engineers to compliment what they believed was the best driver on the grid. The prospect of being the no1 driver in the Ferrari for its return to the top was to good to pass up. Gun Driver/Gun Car = Championships and thats what happened.

 

[Rodzilla]

Where did I say that? I simply said Williams was not an option at the time and it wasnt. Its all bullshit anyway as the Ferrari plan had been in place long before Schmacher had even started his second championship year with Benetton. Why would Schumacher even consider moving away from a team that had just given him his first world title and was about to deliver the second..? Go watch a few Docos about the rise of Ferrari in the late ninetys and you will get the picture.

Ferrari had an open cheque book and a determination to win Championships again both Driver and Constructor which is why they headed hunted the best designers and engineers to compliment what they believed was the best driver on the grid. The prospect of being the no1 driver in the Ferrari for its return to the top was to good to pass up. Gun Driver/Gun Car = Championships and thats what happened.

it was only 5 or 6 years previous when ferrari hired prost for the same thing and fired him 1.5 years later, ferrari have since tried it with vettel and alonso but nobody could deliver, its not automatic and schumacher deserves the credit, nobody could go to ferrari and achieve all that

schumacher was in the box seat and he could get a williams drive if he wanted it, if he lowered himself and begged like senna to always have the best car, but he chose ferrari and wasted 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999 dragging that team to the top

he thought he could win the title because the 1995 ferrari was just as good as the benetton and schumacher himself said it was a car good enough to win the title but unfortunately the 1996 car was a brick and they wasted 2 years with it

 

[Rodzilla]

ferrari would be able to win the 2002 and 2004 title with a good driver in their car, but they wouldn't have such a good car without the backing they received because they had schumacher, so it counts as schumacher

 

[Rodzilla]

my favourite schumacher race is the 1998 argentine gp, the mclarens have won the opening races 1-2 and lapping the entire field

so everybody is complaining about how boring the season is going to be, schumacher puts it on the front row and he was passed by hakkinen at turn 1 so he was again behind the mclarens

he was on a 2 stop compared to the mclarens 1 stop, he passed both mclarens and spent the whole race driving like a maniac to build up the pitstop gap, you watch that replay on youtube and just look at schumachers car, its unbelievable like 70 laps of qualifying car sliding all over the place

people talk about hungary race of that year but that one was mclaren shooting themselves in the foot reacting to schumacher and trying to cover him off with race ending fuel that handicapped them, the argentine race is better

 

[foREVerA7X]

I have word from a man deep within the F1 Community that Sir Lewis Hamilton will return to the sport this year.

 

[TAS]

Haas F1 are the first team to reveal the livery for their 2022 car.

 

[TAS]

The new RB18.

 

[B-Train]

Are Mercedes and Red Bull going to be the two dominant teams again or will Ferrari, McLaren and Renault bridge the gap a bit?

 

[cntrbry bnkstwn]

Are Mercedes and Red Bull going to be the two dominant teams again or will Ferrari, McLaren and Renault bridge the gap a bit?

too early to tell yet with new regs this year, their motivation with these seem to be reducing dirty air to allow cars to follow closer, they have to use wheel covers this year which will further clean up the wake, more aero underneath, simplified topside aero, but what impact that has who know's cause teams will definitely find ways around things.

the new tyres are larger but sidewalls are reduced alot, but the increase of wheel diameter kind of negates the smaller sidewalls to an extent. the sidewalls should definitely make the steering and suspension more twitchy then what they've been used to with the fat squishy traditional f1 tyre, so that could be interesting seeing which drivers can't adapt to that. i'm not sure, but i think they have banned tyre warmers, if so the teams will have to come up with creative ways of getting their wheels in the operating window, maybe with things like brakes, which generate alot of heat so i'm sure teams will harvest any waste heat from this to heat up their wheels.

personally, i'm hoping we get an era where the driver is more important then the car, the kind of era where the car isn't easy to drive.
gonna be intersting to see how drivers like lando norris adapt, as he's only driven 1 car in 1 era, as compared to drivers like alonso, vettel, hamilton, etc who have been across different scenerios

 

[senshidog]

Not a fan of the ugly wheel covers, but the rear wings look so much better.

Simplified front wings with limited adjustment look good too.

personally, i'm hoping we get an era where the driver is more important then the car, the kind of era where the car isn't easy to drive.
gonna be intersting to see how drivers like lando norris adapt, as he's only driven 1 car in 1 era, as compared to drivers like alonso, vettel, hamilton, etc who have been across different scenerios

Same here. Apart from last year it's been a little stale in F1 of late. Lets hoping these changes mean all teams are relatively close, as nothing worse than watching a race where the top 3 are separated by like 30 seconds each. Depending how the cars drive it may actually suit the new era of simulation based drivers sa you aren't bringing perhaps old habits from a few eras of cars into your driving.

Tyre warmers were banned, then they repealed the technical regulation, and instead considered banning them from 2024 to allow Pirelli and teams to adapt. So I suspect 2022 and 2023 seasons they be used less by teams, having to expect them banned in 2024 onwards.

Lando just signed on until 2025 I believe the other day. Ricciardo really needs to fire in the next year or two, else his window will start to close for a chance at a WDC.

 

[B-Train]

too early to tell yet with new regs this year, their motivation with these seem to be reducing dirty air to allow cars to follow closer, they have to use wheel covers this year which will further clean up the wake, more aero underneath, simplified topside aero, but what impact that has who know's cause teams will definitely find ways around things.

the new tyres are larger but sidewalls are reduced alot, but the increase of wheel diameter kind of negates the smaller sidewalls to an extent. the sidewalls should definitely make the steering and suspension more twitchy then what they've been used to with the fat squishy traditional f1 tyre, so that could be interesting seeing which drivers can't adapt to that. i'm not sure, but i think they have banned tyre warmers, if so the teams will have to come up with creative ways of getting their wheels in the operating window, maybe with things like brakes, which generate alot of heat so i'm sure teams will harvest any waste heat from this to heat up their wheels.

personally, i'm hoping we get an era where the driver is more important then the car, the kind of era where the car isn't easy to drive.
gonna be intersting to see how drivers like lando norris adapt, as he's only driven 1 car in 1 era, as compared to drivers like alonso, vettel, hamilton, etc who have been across different scenerios

Thanks for breaking it down. There are so many rule changes year to year it's hard to keep track.

Hopefully those rule changes make it more competitive across the board. Like you said, a lot will depend on testing and how the drivers adjust. Plus teams performance changes throughout the season.

Hopefully the other teams close the gap and we see less dominance from Red Bull and Mercedes.

 

[Jai81]

Are Mercedes and Red Bull going to be the two dominant teams again or will Ferrari, McLaren and Renault bridge the gap a bit?

I really Hope Mclaren are up there!!!

 

[Jai81]

Will be hard to get a more exciting season than last year, I loved watching Hamilton and Verflog go at it even though Im a Mclaren fan.