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You're right but there were still other forwards who have been much better. Draymond and Jaren Jackson to name a few.
Not Jaren Jackson but I agree with Draymond.

Who cares anyway. It's a glorified exhibition match.
 

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Booker is easily better right now. He had never made the playoffs before Paul because he was still young and the Suns had the worst roster in the league. By your logic Dwight Howard is better than KAT because KAT can't make the playoffs.

Suns were 2-0 in the Western Conference Finals without Paul and 2-2 with him. The past 2 seasons the Suns are 3-0 without just Paul. 7-4 without just Booker.

Paul averages 14 ppg. Booker 25 ppg.

Both are top players but give me Booker anyday. You win with scorers in the NBA.
CP3 isn't about points. He averages 10 assists. He runs the whole team, is the coach on the floor, he makes every other player (including Booker) better. He's a far better defender. Take CP3 off that team and have Cam Payne as their starter instead with Booker averaging 32 ppg and they win 10-15 less games.

Look at the impact CP3 had at OKC and then what happened after he left. If it's all about scoring averages and stats, then Shai-Gilgeous must be better than CP3 too.

Dwight was an absolute chump. Don't bring him up again. Haha
 

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Not Jaren Jackson but I agree with Draymond.

Who cares anyway. It's a glorified exhibition match.
I don't watch it at all anymore. It's a pre game layup line for 2 hours. And the other events are crap too. They should make the All-Star game the US vs The World. It'd be so much more competitive and interesting to watch.
 

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Booker is easily better right now. He had never made the playoffs before Paul because he was still young and the Suns had the worst roster in the league. By your logic Dwight Howard is better than KAT because KAT can't make the playoffs.

Suns were 2-0 in the Western Conference Finals without Paul and 2-2 with him. The past 2 seasons the Suns are 3-0 without just Paul. 7-4 without just Booker.

Paul averages 14 ppg. Booker 25 ppg.

Both are top players but give me Booker anyday. You win with scorers in the NBA.
It’s what Paul does for his teammates which makes him better. His leadership skills are the reason he is successful everywhere he goes. They play different positions and have different roles..Paul hardly attempted a shot in the 1st quarter today but had about 8 assists and ran the point perfectly
 

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CP3 isn't about points. He averages 10 assists. He runs the whole team, is the coach on the floor, he makes every other player (including Booker) better. He's a far better defender. Take CP3 off that team and have Cam Payne as their starter instead with Booker averaging 32 ppg and they win 10-15 less games.

Look at the impact CP3 had at OKC and then what happened after he left. If it's all about scoring averages and stats, then Shai-Gilgeous must be better than CP3 too.

Dwight was an absolute chump. Don't bring him up again. Haha
Take any team's 2nd best player off their team and they aren't as good.
 

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I don't watch it at all anymore. It's a pre game layup line for 2 hours. And the other events are crap too. They should make the All-Star game the US vs The World. It'd be so much more competitive and interesting to watch.
I've been saying for years that it needs to be 1 of 2 things.

1. U.S.A vs The World

or

2. East vs West and the team that wins gets home court advantage in the finals.
 

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To be fair Harden has figured it out more and adjusted to the refs and they've given him more calls. He's older but he's still lighting it up without KD. Getting Harden is the ultimate win now move. They'd play well together. But wasting a season of Embiid and running him into the ground just to lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs isn't a good strategy either.

I think the best fit would have been Dejounte Murray plus two or three players and picks. Murray has 11 triple doubles this season. He's one of the most underrated players in the league. And he's still pretty young.
Looking at it from Simmons perspective, I'd love to see him in Minnesota. Pairing him with the best stretch big in the league would bring out the best in his game. His defence and playmaking ability would be invaluable to them. Simmons-Edwards-Kat would be a fun trio to watch.
 

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Looking at it from Simmons perspective, I'd love to see him in Minnesota. Pairing him with the best stretch big in the league would bring out the best in his game. His defence and playmaking ability would be invaluable to them. Simmons-Edwards-Kat would be a fun trio to watch.
He'd be a really good fit with those two but without trading either one they have no chance of getting Simmons as Morey isn't accepting a deal of D-Lo and picks etc.

They're holding out for Harden or Lillard. Like you said earlier, Harden will be 33 by then. Embiid might break down next season because he's had to carry the whole team the last few seasons.. It's crazy to run your franchise player into the ground like they have especially considering his injury history.
 

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I don't watch it at all anymore. It's a pre game layup line for 2 hours. And the other events are crap too. They should make the All-Star game the US vs The World. It'd be so much more competitive and interesting to watch.
Team World would be a hell of a team;

PG - SGA
SG - Doncic
SF - Giannis
PF - Jokic
C - Embiid


I really wanted to put Simmons at point guard but you need a competent shooter in there to open the floor for Giannis.
 

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He'd be a really good fit with those two but without trading either one they have no chance of getting Simmons as Morey isn't accepting a deal of D-Lo and picks etc.

They're holding out for Harden or Lillard. Like you said earlier, Harden will be 33 by then. Embiid might break down next season because he's had to carry the whole team the last few seasons.. It's crazy to run your franchise player into the ground like they have especially considering his injury history.
It seems Harden or bust at this point. Lillard seems to want to stay in Portland even though a Lillard-Embiid duo would be must see.

Morey will end up with egg on his face. Sacarmento dropped out of the Simmons trade talks today, the other teams will follow suit.
 

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Team World would be a hell of a team;

PG - SGA
SG - Doncic
SF - Giannis
PF - Jokic
C - Embiid


I really wanted to put Simmons at point guard but you need a competent shooter in there to open the floor for Giannis.
It'd be great to see. Plus you'd have Sabonis, Siakam, Porzingis, Vucevic, Gobert, Wiggins, Giddey and plenty of others to choose from for the bench. It's bizarre that they haven't tried it yet considering how boring/stale the All-Star game has become and how many fans want to see US vs The World.
 

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It'd be great to see. Plus you'd have Sabonis, Siakam, Porzingis, Vucevic, Gobert, Wiggins, Giddey and plenty of others to choose from for the bench. It's bizarre that they haven't tried it yet considering how boring/stale the All-Star game has become and how many fans want to see US vs The World.
Think that they would find it embarrassing for the USA to keep losing to that World team year after year.

They could boast they were the best then.
 

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The Cavs traded for Caris Levert who is one of the more underrated players in the league. They needed wing scoring and an extra playmaker badly too.. They're going to be a tough team to beat in a seven game series come playoff time.
 

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There have been some strange trades in the NBA so far...

The Blazers are in tank/salary dump mode but they should have gotten a lot more back for CJ McCollum.

Sacramento shouldn't have traded Haliburton. They should have traded Fox instead. Getting Sabonis helps but they have an awkward fit in their roster with not enough shooting after losing Haliburton and Hield.

It will be interesting to see what other trades go down in the next few days
 

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Steve Nash can't coach for shit. The Nets have lost 8 in a row, most of them with Kyrie but without Harden and KD. Boston were up 28-2 against the Nets after 5 minutes. The Nets are missing their big 3 today but even when they've had Kyrie and Harden they've looked horrible.

Compare Nash to Ty Lue, who has had PG and Kawhi out for most of the season and has his team in the playoffs and competing every game with a bunch of role players..
 

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There have been some strange trades in the NBA so far...

The Blazers are in tank/salary dump mode but they should have gotten a lot more back for CJ McCollum.

Sacramento shouldn't have traded Haliburton. They should have traded Fox instead. Getting Sabonis helps but they have an awkward fit in their roster with not enough shooting after losing Haliburton and Hield.

It will be interesting to see what other trades go down in the next few days
McCollum is a terrible defender and has a terrible contract.
 

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Steve Nash can't coach for shit. The Nets have lost 8 in a row, most of them with Kyrie but without Harden and KD. Boston were up 28-2 against the Nets after 5 minutes. The Nets are missing their big 3 today but even when they've had Kyrie and Harden they've looked horrible.

Compare Nash to Ty Lue, who has had PG and Kawhi out for most of the season and has his team in the playoffs and competing every game with a bunch of role players..
Totally different scenarios. Clippers had all off-season to get use to no KL. Nets have different players missing different games and have to change their starting lineup from game to game.

A trade I want to see this week:

Nets receive = Ben Simmons, Seth Curry & a 1st round pick.
Philly receives = James Harden.
 

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McCollum is a terrible defender and has a terrible contract.
Half of the stars in the league are bad defenders. Lillard, Trae, Luka etc. His deal only has two years left. For a team like New Orleans that never attracts free agents and has cap space, it's not a bad deal. For a team trying to contend it would be a bad deal. He'll average 25 plus with New Orleans.
 

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Half of the stars in the league are bad defenders. Lillard, Trae, Luka etc. His deal only has two years left. For a team like New Orleans that never attracts free agents and has cap space, it's not a bad deal. For a team trying to contend it would be a bad deal. He'll average 25 plus with New Orleans.
He isn't worth the money he's on. Portland has the cap space now to go after a star forward which they need.
 
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