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alchemist said:
this really is a whole lot of nothing

you clearly state that Trump brought it on himself with his antagonistic approach to the media and I believe there were particular interests in going after Trump and I have provided examples of what I believe is the unbalanced approach when it comes to the treatment of Trump... but I have at least been prepared to concede that there can be other factors --> something lefties are incapable of doing

now, with regard to the Republican and Democratic machines throwing their weight behind their candidates, this is true and I will go further and concede the reluctance of the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Kasich etc. to immediately support Trump after he became the Republican nominee is likely due to a personal rather than establishment motive... but there are issues and interests in the US that go beyond the party divide... for example, JFK spoke of the need for a Medicare for all system in the US as far back as the 1960's and yet, no such system exists despite plenty of Democratic and Republican presidents since... why? there is too much money in the pharmaceutical industry to allow the government to cut out the middle man and Big Pharma has in effect bought out both sides of the aisle... hence, the Bernie Sanders, the squad, the progressive push for Medicare for all, force the vote etc. is all bullsh*t... never going to happen

another such interest which crosses the political divide is the military... the US has been aggressive in their foreign policy throughout the world from when Truman - wrongfully IMO - dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and it hasn't really mattered who was in power to see the influence of this on their foreign policy... in fact, the two modern presidents that are viewed as the worst are Carter and Trump and from memory, they are the only two not to involve the US in a new conflict during their presidency... this is why I brought up Greenwald earlier in this thread because he theorised that at least part of the reason all mainstream media was going after Biden this last week or so was the US military industrial complex wanted to stay in Afghanistan

and you get nowhere with the Russian collusion aspect... the Clintons had their pay to play with donations made to their foundation for years by foreign governments, regimes, NGOs etc. and in fact the whole Russian collusion started with Hillary's campaign worried about her own links to and going soft on Russia (eg. the Uranium deal while she was Secretary of State) and so threw all that onto Trump

"whataboutism" is just a deflection... you live in a country in which the legal system is predicated on precedent - "stare decisis"... determining matters in line with how like situations have previously been decided... and that is if the situations are even somewhat comparable, which I don't see how they are --> an attack on a US ambassador overseas vs the manipulation of the justice system to investigate a political opponent domestically... the Michael Flynn investigation and prosecution was a disgrace and unworthy of a nation supposedly with the rule of law - the FBI tampered with evidence, Sztrok, his FBI mistress, entrapping Flynn, abusing the FISA court and warrant system, deliberately ignoring the fact that the subject of the warrant was a CIA asset (?) etc... it was so bad, the US government withdrew charges AFTER Flynn pleaded guilty

this is why the US is so f*+#ed up at the moment... people are so tribal in their thinking (like you) that they cannot take a principled position and make concessions where concessions should be made... rather they simply act in bad faith and side with like minded people regardless of the merits of the matter

so, there is no onus on you and the other cancel culture crew to substantiate any of the rubbish you have spouted in this thread? well, isn't that convenient... anyone that disagrees with you is a sheep or a cultist etc. without any need for you to prove anything... Orwellian almost... like something out of "Animal Farm" with the "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others"

and the "innocent until proven guilty" is a criminal law presumption
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I'm seriously not going to bother

You're so blinded by your "Trump victim complex" you fail to acknowledge that others are literally stating that the whole political machination (regardless of left/right) is biased but because it doesn't reach your outrageous, unfounded "everyone was out to get Trump, leave him alone" views, we're all "tribal" in thinking.

Steeliz is bang on the spot
 
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"Can the last person leaving Afghanistan please turn out the lights, they won't be needing electricity after today."
 
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US Arms Dealers Ask Biden If It's Too Soon To Start Doing Business With The Taliban Again — The Betoota Advocate

With the US adding Afghanistan to the list of countries it’s left in tatters, it’s believed the people who profit from these long-running military conflicts are now poised to strike.

One of those is Boeing Lockheed, who is the CEO of a large international arms dealer who makes a fortune selling weapons to the US Government, its allies, and whoever else wants their business – including whatever dictatorship or regime has the money.

“Joe, we all good to start talks with the new Afghan government,” laughed Lockheed in a conversation with the US President this morning.

“Now you guys have pulled out, we gotta keep that account rolling in,” he continued.

“We can do it like the good old days with the CIA funneling money to Afghan warlords directly, or through the Pakistani Intelligence Agency if you want?”

Pausing to think, the US President laughed before confirming that the arms dealers might have to wait a little while before directly signing contracts with the new Afghan government.

“Maybe it’s best for you guys to talk with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan about what’s the easiest way to funnel the arms to the religious Afghan militia again,” Biden said.

“I don’t know if we can facilitate it through the CIA this time around under the premise of fighting communists.”

The boss of the arms manufacturer then laughed, before telling Joe not to worry.

“We’ll draft up some strategy for ya,” Lockheed said.

“Don’t worry.”

“Leave it to us.”
 
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Did smiling Joe have the right to drop a Ninja bomb on a public street and kill civilians?
Whats the point of an urgent exit leaving the Taliban shit loads of gear including helicopters?
Im sure the US tax payer is loving it
 
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if he willingly assisted Australian troops, then we have a responsibility to get/keep him out of Afghanistan for his own safety
 
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Greenmachine121 said:
Honestly should that backwards ass country to its own devices ….
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Will the Taliban give the woman their basic human rights?
Its going to be a sticking point over there.
If they want international diplomacy they are going to have to give some leeway.
 
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Bob dog said:
Will the Taliban give the woman their basic human rights?
Its going to be a sticking point over there.
If they want international diplomacy they are going to have to give some leeway.
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I doubt Russia or China are going to care, nor will the rest of the Middle East
 
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Bob dog said:
Will the Taliban give the woman their basic human rights?
Its going to be a sticking point over there.
If they want international diplomacy they are going to have to give some leeway.
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Yeah they’ll do whatever they want as usual …. Eventually some countries will say enough , go in and try to wipe them out
Scare them off for a while then they’ll be back to square one

it’s a terrible situation but how many hundreds of years has it been going ?
 
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Bob dog said:
Will the Taliban give the woman their basic human rights?
Its going to be a sticking point over there.
If they want international diplomacy they are going to have to give some leeway.
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Well the guy in charge president? Prime minister. Not sure what his title is now that the Taliban is a recognised government body. Made a statement that they would respect women's rights within regards of sharia law.
That means something right?

mei.edu

The Taliban’s post-battle narratives on women’s rights and governance

Unanticipated swiftness of victory can be potentially befuddling, even for the victor. After the Taliban’s dramatic and largely bloodless capture of power, their leadership has struggled to finalize the structure of a government that will rule the country. The group, however, has attempted to...
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time.com

The Taliban Says It Will Now Respect the Rights of Afghan Women—Despite Its Brutal History

Older generations remember when the Taliban largely confined women to their homes, banned television and music and held public executions.
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