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Canterbury CEO Andrew Hill & Chairperson Lynne Anderson are hoping to appease disgruntled Bulldogs supporters with yet another potential short-sighted, rash & poorly thought out decision in rushing through the signature of Barrett as coach for 2021. Given the Panthers are in with a shot at the 2020 premiership, Barrett wants to have his cake & eat it. It appears that he will be unable to negotiate with players given he’s still employed by the Panthers.
This situation brings into question the Bulldogs recruitment for next season. Given the embarrassing Koroisau negotiations coming on the back of the Club’s handling of the Port Macquarie situation; the Club is anxiously awaiting confirmation of the following sponsor: “Band Aid Solutions”
 

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C'mon do you really think he is going to be sitting on his hands till November? He will be heavily involved in recruitment and shaping the roster the minute he is announced.

The thing with the Panthers is a gentleman's agreement not to take any Panther players with him. It kind of has to happen seeing as Barrett needs a release to come to the Dogs so he has to play ball with Penrith and once he's here its every man for themselves.

This of course all depends on Barrett actually signing on as coach!
 

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Need more than band aids to fix this problem. Definitely the worst team in Canterbury history,followed this team for over 55 years.
 

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C'mon do you really think he is going to be sitting on his hands till November? He will be heavily involved in recruitment and shaping the roster the minute he is announced.

The thing with the Panthers is a gentleman's agreement not to take any Panther players with him. It kind of has to happen seeing as Barrett needs a release to come to the Dogs so he has to play ball with Penrith and once he's here its every man for themselves.

This of course all depends on Barrett actually signing on as coach!
Have you ever seen a NRL coaches' contract? There is a very strong NDA (non disclosure agreement) clauses and there are 3 non competition clauses. One relates to doing any work for an opposition club, this means he's not allowed to do anything for us. There is a non poaching clause that relates to enticing players to leave, that means he is not allowed to talk to players about joining us (or anyone else). There is a clause regarding only recruiting players to the contracted club, for example he would not be allowed to recruit a player from Canbra to us, as he is only allowed to recruit players to Penrith. There is an exclusivity clause that gives the club sole rights to the coaches' product, that means he can't carry out any coaching activities for another team or with players from another team.

FWIW Flanagan got caught by the "no coaching" definition as the NRL considers even just talking to players about next year as a part of "coaching".

To date all that Penrith have done is to give Barrett permission to talk, he has not been released from any other part of his contract. If he breaches any of the other clauses the NRL has the right to suspend his coaching licence, same as they did with Flanagan. Of course he is not in gaol, but the NRL can send him to purgatory if he breaches his contract with Penrith.

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How many other coaches did our club actually interview before deciding on Barrett?..
 

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Have you ever seen a NRL coaches' contract? There is a very strong NDA (non disclosure agreement) clauses and there are 3 non competition clauses. One relates to doing any work for an opposition club, this means he's not allowed to do anything for us. There is a non poaching clause that relates to enticing players to leave, that means he is not allowed to talk to players about joining us (or anyone else). There is a clause regarding only recruiting players to the contracted club, for example he would not be allowed to recruit a player from Canbra to us, as he is only allowed to recruit players to Penrith. There is an exclusivity clause that gives the club sole rights to the coaches' product, that means he can't carry out any coaching activities for another team or with players from another team.

FWIW Flanagan got caught by the "no coaching" definition as the NRL considers even just talking to players about next year as a part of "coaching".

To date all that Penrith have done is to give Barrett permission to talk, he has not been released from any other part of his contract. If he breaches any of the other clauses the NRL has the right to suspend his coaching licence, same as they did with Flanagan. Of course he is not in gaol, but the NRL can send him to purgatory if he breaches his contract with Penrith.

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There's plenty of rules and clauses in the NRL that get bent or flat out ignored including the cap. You are pretty naive if you think these get adhered to in the competitive environment like the NRL.

Barrett will have his hands all over the Dogs roster shaping it for next year from the minute he signs on.
 

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Nice to see fiction writing is still thriving during these tough times...:-).
 

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There's plenty of rules and clauses in the NRL that get bent or flat out ignored including the cap. You are pretty naive if you think these get adhered to in the competitive environment like the NRL.

Barrett will have his hands all over the Dogs roster shaping it for next year from the minute he signs on.
I remind you that that's exactly what Flanagan did and the punishment that the NRL dealt out to him. If you were Barrett would you risk losing your NRL Coaching Licence, I don't think so. Plus if we "allowed or enticed" him to breach his contract the NRL would fine us and reduce our Salary Cap too. Do you really think the NRL are going to let us get away with anything, I don't think so.

If I was recruiting Barrett, or any other coach, that's exactly what I would be telling him. If you want to have any influence on the players you get to coach next year you have to join us now.

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C'mon do you really think he is going to be sitting on his hands till November? He will be heavily involved in recruitment and shaping the roster the minute he is announced.

The thing with the Panthers is a gentleman's agreement not to take any Panther players with him. It kind of has to happen seeing as Barrett needs a release to come to the Dogs so he has to play ball with Penrith and once he's here its every man for themselves.

This of course all depends on Barrett actually signing on as coach!
You are very naive if you think Barrett can represent or comment on behalf on the Bulldogs given he is still today & until further notice employed as an Assistant Coach of the Panthers NRL team.
 

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Have you ever seen a NRL coaches' contract? There is a very strong NDA (non disclosure agreement) clauses and there are 3 non competition clauses. One relates to doing any work for an opposition club, this means he's not allowed to do anything for us. There is a non poaching clause that relates to enticing players to leave, that means he is not allowed to talk to players about joining us (or anyone else). There is a clause regarding only recruiting players to the contracted club, for example he would not be allowed to recruit a player from Canbra to us, as he is only allowed to recruit players to Penrith. There is an exclusivity clause that gives the club sole rights to the coaches' product, that means he can't carry out any coaching activities for another team or with players from another team.

FWIW Flanagan got caught by the "no coaching" definition as the NRL considers even just talking to players about next year as a part of "coaching".

To date all that Penrith have done is to give Barrett permission to talk, he has not been released from any other part of his contract. If he breaches any of the other clauses the NRL has the right to suspend his coaching licence, same as they did with Flanagan. Of course he is not in gaol, but the NRL can send him to purgatory if he breaches his contract with Penrith.

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Hahahahahahahahha

Yeh amd clubs arnt meant to negotiate third party agreements.

Please.
 

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I remind you that that's exactly what Flanagan did and the punishment that the NRL dealt out to him. If you were Barrett would you risk losing your NRL Coaching Licence, I don't think so. Plus if we "allowed or enticed" him to breach his contract the NRL would fine us and reduce our Salary Cap too. Do you really think the NRL are going to let us get away with anything, I don't think so.

If IO was recruiting Barrett that's exactly what I would be telling him. If you want to have any influence on the players you get to coach next year you have to join us now.
The only reason Flanagan got caught was because the Sharks were dumb enough to hand over a paper trail on the computers. No one has ever gotten caught otherwise.
 

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Hahahahahahahahha
Yeh amd clubs arnt meant to negotiate 3rd party agreements.
Please.
Please, do you remember why Flanagan lost his NRL coaches licence? Refresher, because he spoke to players about recruitment for next year.

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You are very naive if you think Barrett can represent or comment on behalf on the Bulldogs given he is still today & until further notice employed as an Assistant Coach of the Panthers NRL team.
You are more naive if you think Barrett isn't going to be having a massive say in the Dogs roster for 21.
 

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The only reason Flanagan got caught was because the Sharks were dumb enough to hand over a paper trail on the computers. No one has ever gotten caught otherwise.
And do you really think Penrith wouldn't dob him in? They have an exclusivity contract with him, a binding contract registered with the NRL. Again, it's us, the Bulldogs and of course the NRL are going to be sniffing around looking for any way they can crucify us.

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Please, do you remember why Flanagan lost his NRL coaches licence? Refresher, because he spoke to players about recruitment for next year.

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And you think this will automatically stop people from breaking the rules or doing anything dodgey again?

Shit by your rationale, because bulldogs cheated the cap in the early 2000s, no other club would cheat the cap because they got in trouble for it. Oh wait....


You really think when Barret meets with the club to discuss "his contract", he wont be discussing 2021 and beyond? Shit mate, you're smarter than that
 

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Need more than band aids to fix this problem. Definitely the worst team in Canterbury history,followed this team for over 55 years.
Barrett is a good coach, but he’s not the solution we need. We need an experienced man manager that can show affinity with the youngest troubled player & stand up and play hard ball with the CEO & the Board. Someone that will surround himself with smart operators.
Given what Eddie Jones achieved with Japan & England Rugby not to mention his standing in the corporate world.
Before anyone brings it up, yes he actually did play league growing up, he along with the Ella’s and just about everyone in south eastern Sydney (in that era)played both league & union growing up....
would be worth more consideration than a passing thought......
 
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And do you really think Penrith wouldn't dob him in? They have an exclusivity contract with him, a binding contract registered with the NRL. Again, it's us, the Bulldogs and of course the NRL are going to be sniffing around looking for any way they can crucify us.

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There is so many ways to get around it you just have to be smart enough not to leave a paper trail.

Comparing it to anything Flanngan has done is the drawing the longest bow ever as he was already serving a drug suspension and they discovered he was still coaching behind the scenes it's not even relevant.
 

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I remind you that that's exactly what Flanagan did and the punishment that the NRL dealt out to him. If you were Barrett would you risk losing your NRL Coaching Licence, I don't think so. Plus if we "allowed or enticed" him to breach his contract the NRL would fine us and reduce our Salary Cap too. Do you really think the NRL are going to let us get away with anything, I don't think so.

If I was recruiting Barrett, or any other coach, that's exactly what I would be telling him. If you want to have any influence on the players you get to coach next year you have to join us now.

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You’re on the money, Hill & the Club are allowing Barrett & his manager to have all the leverage & dictate terms....

How many more blunders does Hill get before he’s hauled over the coals????
 

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Canterbury CEO Andrew Hill & Chairperson Lynne Anderson are hoping to appease disgruntled Bulldogs supporters with yet another potential short-sighted, rash & poorly thought out decision in rushing through the signature of Barrett as coach for 2021. Given the Panthers are in with a shot at the 2020 premiership, Barrett wants to have his cake & eat it. It appears that he will be unable to negotiate with players given he’s still employed by the Panthers.
This situation brings into question the Bulldogs recruitment for next season. Given the embarrassing Koroisau negotiations coming on the back of the Club’s handling of the Port Macquarie situation; the Club is anxiously awaiting confirmation of the following sponsor: “Band Aid Solutions”
Are you thay naive to think thatbthis is how it works I.e. that incoming coaches don't work behind the scenes.
 
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