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Sharks next year

Holmes on big 700 plus
JMOZ would be on 3=400
Dugan would be on 500 plus
Moylan would be on 6-700
Townsend would be on 5-700
Graham
Gallen
Lewis
Woods
Brailey
Fifita
Prior
Segeyaro

plus a shitload of good juniors fringe players

And we cant afford anyone, when all we have left is Klemmer Jackson Foran Tolman on decent coin???
Don't forget the list of players paid by us but don't even wear our jersey.

James Graham
Sam Kasiano
Moses Mbye
Aaron Woods

Then, examples like Greg Eastwood on our books this year at something like $800k (yet he plays approx 15 mins per game lol).

It simply looks bad when you compare us to Cronulla because of how poorly our club was managed up until this year.

The good news is we are wiping the slates clean and starting fresh. Eventually we will not being paying for any players who don't play for us and we will have a team of youngsters who have some decent first grade experience (and hopefully along with 2-3 good marquee buys).
 

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Don't forget the list of players paid by us but don't even wear our jersey.

James Graham
Sam Kasiano
Moses Mbye
Aaron Woods

Then, examples like Greg Eastwood on our books this year at something like $800k (yet he plays approx 15 mins per game lol).

It simply looks bad when you compare us to Cronulla because of how poorly our club was managed up until this year.

The good news is we are wiping the slates clean and starting fresh. Eventually we will not being paying for any players who don't play for us and we will have a team of youngsters who have some decent first grade experience (and hopefully along with 2-3 good marquee buys).
What you said is correct for this year, but from next year onwards we lose most of those players and the payment of others to be at other clubs besides maybe woods and mbye. Yet we still close to the cap and we can't afford anyone.

And like you, I do believe the future will he bright again just frustrating seeing some teams try buy a comp yet we are stuck with a shit roster for the moment
 

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My biggest gripe is the NRL's inconsistency with the penalties handed down to teams for not being cap compliant.
We all know what happened in 2002.
The penalty we received was incredibly harsh but should have set a standard for any other team not operating within the so called salary cap.
Instead, there have been teams systematically rorting the cap - either directly or through TPAs - and the nrl have slapped a warning or suspended fine on them.
Some teams haven't been fully cap compliant for consecutive seasons.
In 2010 the storm got busted nearly $2m over the cap in a 5 year period. 5 years!!!!
Don't they get audited annually??!
The broncs, rorters n sharks are clearly not compliant yet the dogs are in this cap shit fight.
So I'm not buying this "some teams are managing the cap better".
Some teams are blatantly cheating.
Yep and when they introduced the salary cap in 1990 the cap was $1.5M. The Canberra Raiders spent almost $3M & received a small fine & kept their premiership. If the NSWRL had acted appropriately right there & then, then they may not have been so many train wrecks.

The Broncos should have been caught a few years ago but Andrew Gee resigned & the NRL didn't have the power to interview him. I would have said either be interviewed or you will not be allowed to have any association with rugby league in this country again & not even be allowed into a ground.
 

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Sharks next year

Holmes on big 700 plus
JMOZ would be on 3=400
Dugan would be on 500 plus
Moylan would be on 6-700
Townsend would be on 5-700
Graham
Gallen
Lewis
Woods
Brailey
Fifita
Prior
Segeyaro

plus a shitload of good juniors fringe players

And we cant afford anyone, when all we have left is Klemmer Jackson Foran Tolman on decent coin???
 

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Yep and when they introduced the salary cap in 1990 the cap was $1.5M. The Canberra Raiders spent almost $3M & received a small fine & kept their premiership. If the NSWRL had acted appropriately right there & then, then they may not have been so many train wrecks.

The Broncos should have been caught a few years ago but Andrew Gee resigned & the NRL didn't have the power to interview him. I would have said either be interviewed or you will not be allowed to have any association with rugby league in this country again & not even be allowed into a ground.
The NRL HQ only come down hard on the Bulldogs

History proves it
 

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Sharks next year

Holmes on big 700 plus
JMOZ would be on 3=400
Dugan would be on 500 plus
Moylan would be on 6-700
Townsend would be on 5-700
Graham
Gallen
Lewis
Woods
Brailey
Fifita
Prior
Segeyaro

plus a shitload of good juniors fringe players

And we cant afford anyone, when all we have left is Klemmer Jackson Foran Tolman on decent coin???
According to zerotackle.com, Holmes is on $850k and Moylan $900K. Whether there are TPAs in there, you would have to assume so. The DT said that Dugan was on $750k. Fifita was signed by us in about 2014 for $800k, but that folded, so I would imagine he is on similar money having re-signed until 2022.
 

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NRL PAYMENTS FOR THE TOP 30

$9.1 million – base salary cap for the Top 30 players. At least 24 Top 30 players must be contracted by 1 November, 29 Top 30 players by 1 March and 30 Top 30 players by 30 June.

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game

+ $300,000
per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards players' Retirement Account Contribution.

+ $100,000 per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards their administration funding.

What players can earn outside the salary cap:

$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 30 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved by both a Player’s Club and the NRL. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club.

Other Benefits - Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs are not included in the cap but must be approved

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

Why have a Salary Cap?

The NRL Salary Cap serves two functions:

  1. 1. It assists in "spreading the playing talent" so that a few better resourced clubs cannot simply out-bid other clubs for all of the best players. If a few clubs are able to spend unlimited funds it will reduce the attraction of games to fans, sponsors and media partners due to an uneven competition. Allowing clubs to spend an unlimited amount on players would drive some clubs out of the competition as they would struggle to match the prices wealthy clubs could afford to pay.
  1. 2. It ensures clubs are not put into a position where they are forced to spend more money than they can afford, in terms of player payments, just to be competitive.
Where did it come from?

Salary caps have been part of sport for many years. The NSWRL first introduced a salary cap to Rugby League in 1990 and the NRL has had a salary cap since its inception in 1998.

The AFL introduced a salary cap in 1985 and major overseas sports such as the NFL and NBA in the USA also use salary caps.


How much can clubs spend?

The Base Salary Cap for 2018 is $9.1m for the 30 highest remunerated players at each club plus up to $0.2m Veteran and Developed Player allowance.
 

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NRL PAYMENTS FOR THE TOP 30

$9.1 million – base salary cap for the Top 30 players. At least 24 Top 30 players must be contracted by 1 November, 29 Top 30 players by 1 March and 30 Top 30 players by 30 June.

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game

+ $300,000
per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards players' Retirement Account Contribution.

+ $100,000 per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards their administration funding.

What players can earn outside the salary cap:

$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 30 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved by both a Player’s Club and the NRL. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club.

Other Benefits - Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs are not included in the cap but must be approved

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

Why have a Salary Cap?

The NRL Salary Cap serves two functions:

  1. 1. It assists in "spreading the playing talent" so that a few better resourced clubs cannot simply out-bid other clubs for all of the best players. If a few clubs are able to spend unlimited funds it will reduce the attraction of games to fans, sponsors and media partners due to an uneven competition. Allowing clubs to spend an unlimited amount on players would drive some clubs out of the competition as they would struggle to match the prices wealthy clubs could afford to pay.
  1. 2. It ensures clubs are not put into a position where they are forced to spend more money than they can afford, in terms of player payments, just to be competitive.
Where did it come from?

Salary caps have been part of sport for many years. The NSWRL first introduced a salary cap to Rugby League in 1990 and the NRL has had a salary cap since its inception in 1998.

The AFL introduced a salary cap in 1985 and major overseas sports such as the NFL and NBA in the USA also use salary caps.


How much can clubs spend?

The Base Salary Cap for 2018 is $9.1m for the 30 highest remunerated players at each club plus up to $0.2m Veteran and Developed Player allowance.
TPP needs to be scrapped as it too much of a grey area and loophole for clubs that have corporate contacts like Roosters and Broncos
 

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Sharks next year

Holmes on big 700 plus
JMOZ would be on 3=400
Dugan would be on 500 plus
Moylan would be on 6-700
Townsend would be on 5-700
Graham
Gallen
Lewis
Woods
Brailey
Fifita
Prior
Segeyaro

plus a shitload of good juniors fringe players

And we cant afford anyone, when all we have left is Klemmer Jackson Foran Tolman on decent coin???
Case in point Moey
 

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It should not be the NRL's responsibility at all. Each Club should enjoy the autonomy and be responsible. The biggest problem with our Club is that we hired a personality like Des who wanted to rely on money to win a premiership - the most expensive state of the art training facilities and diagnostics technology. Back ending as much talent as possible and paying whatever it took to attract players.

It turned into a perfect storm, created by Des. His coaching was boring and scaring the quality players away. So we had to pay overs and back end to cope with the consequences of Desball. Making 2 grand finals was a result of squeezing in the talent but we lost our heart - and you need that to win premierships.

So now, we are putting the heart back in and building around it - takes time, but at least we are getting our heart back!
 

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TPP needs to be scrapped as it too much of a grey area and loophole for clubs that have corporate contacts like Roosters and Broncos
100% it’s a grey area alright brother!! And that’s an understatement lol
 

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bad management paired with the fact that no one wants to play for the dogs is a dangerous combo and what has lead to the current position
 

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Was talking to a someone at work today who is an accountant for the dragons and is heavily involved in contract negotiations and they said having first hand experience with contracts and managing the salary cap they can’t understand how the roosters, Sharks, storm and broncos have the teams that they have. According to this person it is impossible that they would not be cheating the cap in some way!!
 

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Sharks next year

Holmes on big 700 plus
JMOZ would be on 3=400
Dugan would be on 500 plus
Moylan would be on 6-700
Townsend would be on 5-700
Graham
Gallen
Lewis
Woods
Brailey
Fifita
Prior
Segeyaro

plus a shitload of good juniors fringe players

And we cant afford anyone, when all we have left is Klemmer Jackson Foran Tolman on decent coin???
Dugan on 800k
So is holmes
 

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What you said is correct for this year, but from next year onwards we lose most of those players and the payment of others to be at other clubs besides maybe woods and mbye. Yet we still close to the cap and we can't afford anyone.

And like you, I do believe the future will he bright again just frustrating seeing some teams try buy a comp yet we are stuck with a shit roster for the moment
The only thing I'd say, is be careful of what you've heard in the media RE: our cap position next year. A lot of things that are reported are based on forecasts and sometimes the assumptions in those forecasts are wrong because of unexpected player movements.

Also, I believe a number of our key players will be taking on salary increases next year based on contracts agreed under the old fucked up administration (Klemmer, Jackson, Tolman, Hopoate). Also - I'm assuming Lichaa will be on more $$ next year.

In addition, I'm pretty certain we are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to James Graham at least next year, if not, also in 2020. Sam Kasiano also comes to mind - I think we are paying him until 2020?
 

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The only thing I'd say, is be careful of what you've heard in the media RE: our cap position next year. A lot of things that are reported are based on forecasts and sometimes the assumptions in those forecasts are wrong because of unexpected player movements.

Also, I believe a number of our key players will be taking on salary increases next year based on contracts agreed under the old fucked up administration (Klemmer, Jackson, Tolman, Hopoate). Also - I'm assuming Lichaa will be on more $$ next year.

In addition, I'm pretty certain we are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to James Graham at least next year, if not, also in 2020. Sam Kasiano also comes to mind - I think we are paying him until 2020?
I heard we aren’t paying Graham or Kas or any other player apart from Mbye and Woods beyond this year
 

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It's a spending limit imposed on Clubs to protect them from their own stupidity and to even out the competition. Sometimes it even works. Oh wait......
 

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I heard we aren’t paying Graham or Kas or any other player apart from Mbye and Woods beyond this year
When did we initially sign Graham and Kasiano until? That will tell you whether or not we are paying part of their contract next year. If their contracts were due to expire this year, then yes we won't be paying anything for them next year. But if their contracts with us finished in 2019 - then we will be wearing payments next year as well.
 

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Just realised James Graham was due to be paid $1.05m during 2018 if he stayed with us.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA $1m+ for an aging prop forward. WTF was Des/Raelene/Dib smoking when they signed off on that one???
 
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