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in turning away from Russian energy, the Europeans have ensured the price of gas and oil will go up and they will have to pay more for it to be shipped from Qatar or Saudi Arabia or the US etc. instead of getting it via pipeline from Russia

the EU are idiots
But can those other countries atm meet the demand? And can Russia sell elsewhere?
Seems like shutting down a few McDonald's stores hasn't really hurt Russia that much.the only thing I can see that's going to bite Russia in the arse for many years to come is their aviation sector.
 

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But can those other countries atm meet the demand? And can Russia sell elsewhere?
Seems like shutting down a few McDonald's stores hasn't really hurt Russia that much.the only thing I can see that's going to bite Russia in the arse for many years to come is their aviation sector.
Russia has sold record amounts of oil to China and India and are installing more pipelines towards China... they have also come to an agreement with Iran and India for a new trade route from north western Russia through the Caucuses and Caspian Sea to an Iranian port to be shipped to India... it also looks like Iran and Argentina are to join BRICS
 

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How much power does Russia have over Europe with oil and gas? Can they fuck over them by cutting it all together ? And inturn would that fuck Russia over also or they turn to Asia.
That's one of the major concerns. European countries think that Russia will cut off supply lines in Winter to screw everyone over, so they've started attempting to hoard gas. But Russia has reduced the supply going through the lines to prevent them from doing that.

Decent chance Russia will cut the lines in winter to force negotiations.
 

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That's one of the major concerns. European countries think that Russia will cut off supply lines in Winter to screw everyone over, so they've started attempting to hoard gas. But Russia has reduced the supply going through the lines to prevent them from doing that.

Decent chance Russia will cut the lines in winter to force negotiations.
So going to be just a shit fight for years to come and everything just gets more expensive world wide also add a few years of covid fucking things over. Good times ahead aye?
 

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So going to be just a shit fight for years to come and everything just gets more expensive world wide also add a few years of covid fucking things over. Good times ahead aye?
there are people who believe 2019 was the last good year we will have
 

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So going to be just a shit fight for years to come and everything just gets more expensive world wide also add a few years of covid fucking things over. Good times ahead aye?
Yep. Between Covid, war in Ukraine, climate change, it's going to be crap for a long time. Energy shortages are a major issue for most 1st world countries, but 3rd world countries are copping it the worst with energy and food shortages. We're a long way off doomsday but it's not looking good for the next decade.
 

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Well worth a watch about Russian gas and oil sure as he'll explains a lot.
 

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It really is getting completely inexcusable. They have hit a fair few civilian targets claiming that each time they actually hit military targets. The latest one was a long way from the front lines with no military targets nearby. It seems like they're going the terror route now. Trying to strike fear into the Ukrainians so they'll lose their will to fight.
 

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United Nations says Russia and Ukraine are to blame for nursing home attack
Posted Sun 10 Jul 2022 at 10:56amSunday 10 Jul 2022 at 10:56am

A fireman walks through the rubble of a destroyed building.

Analysts predicted Moscow's troops likely would take some time to rearm and regroup.(AP: Evgeniy Maloletka)

A new UN report has found that Ukraine's armed forces bear a large share of the blame for an attack on a nursing home that left vulnerable residents trapped in the firing line.

Key points:
  • The report found Ukrainian soldiers took up positions in the home, which effectively made it a target
  • Management repeatedly requested for the residents to be evacuated, the report says
  • The governor of the eastern Luhansk region says Russian forces are continuing to press towards the border with the Donetsk region
Two weeks after Russia invaded Ukraine in February, Russian forces attacked a nursing home in Stara Krasnyanka, about 580 kilometres south-east of Kyiv.

Dozens of elderly and disabled patients, many of them bedridden, were trapped inside without water or electricity.

The March 11 attack set off a fire that spread throughout the facility, suffocating people who couldn't move.

Ukrainian authorities blamed the attack on Russian forces, accusing them of killing more than 50 vulnerable civilians in a brutal and unprovoked assault.

But the UN report found that a few days before the attack, Ukrainian soldiers took up positions inside the nursing home, effectively making the building a target.

A birds eye view of a building, it is surrounded by trees.

A satellite image of the nursing home shows the property before the attack.(Satellite image ©2022 Maxar Technologies)

At least 22 of the 71 patients survived the assault, but the exact number of people killed remains unknown, according to the United Nations.

Nursing Home March 2022

Trees have been burnt and the building has been damaged as a result of the attacks.(Satellite image ©2022 Maxar Technologies via AP)

UN report concerned over the use of 'human shields'

The report by the UN's Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights said the battle at the nursing home was emblematic of its concerns over the potential use of "human shields" to prevent military operations in certain areas.

A cat sits on debris of a residential building damaged by a military strike.

The report states that when hostilities drew closer to the nursing home in early March, its management requested repeatedly that local authorities evacuate the residents.

But an evacuation wasn't possible because Ukrainian forces were believed to have mined the surrounding area and blocked roads.

On March 7, Ukrainian soldiers entered the nursing home.

According to the UN, two days later they "engaged in an exchange of fire" with the Moscow-backed separatists, "although it remains unclear which side opened fire first," the report said.

No staff or residents were injured in this first exchange.

On March 11, 71 residents and 15 staff remained in the home with no access to water or electricity. That morning, the "Russian-affiliated armed groups" attacked with heavy weapons.
"A fire started and spread across the care house, while the fighting was ongoing," the UN report said.
Russian forces raising 'true hell' in the east

The governor of the eastern Luhansk region, Serhyi Laidai, said Russian forces were this week raising "true hell" in Ukraine's eastern industrial heartland.

Mr Serhyi Haidai said Russia launched more than 20 artillery, mortar and rocket strikes on the region on Friday night local time, and its forces were pressing toward the border with the Donetsk region.
"We are trying to contain the Russians' armed formations along the entire front line," Mr Haidai wrote on Telegram.
Last week, Russia captured the last major stronghold of Ukrainian resistance in Luhansk — the city of Lysychansk.
Analysts predicted Russia would then pause to rearm and regroup, but this has not yet occurred.
"(The enemy) is still attacking and shelling our lands with the same intensity as before," Mr Haidai said.

Residents urged to flee homes for safety

Ukraine's deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk has appealed to residents of Russian-held territories in the south to evacuate quickly so the occupying forces could not use them as human shields during a Ukrainian counteroffensive.
"You need to search for a way to leave, because our armed forces are coming to de-occupy," Ms Vereshchuk said.
"There will be a massive fight."
Speaking at a news conference late Friday, Ms Vereshchuk said a civilian evacuation effort was underway for parts of the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions. She declined to give details, citing safety reasons.
It was not clear how civilians were expected to safely leave Russian-controlled areas while missile strikes and artillery shelling continued in surrounding areas, whether they would be allowed to depart or even hear the government's appeal.

 

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Still going. For anyone who has missed the news from the last few days, Russia and Ukraine came to an agreement to commence grain shipping again. Both countries agreed to open ports and trade routes.

The next day Russia launched a missile strike on one of those ports.
 

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Still going. For anyone who has missed the news from the last few days, Russia and Ukraine came to an agreement to commence grain shipping again. Both countries agreed to open ports and trade routes.

The next day Russia launched a missile strike on one of those ports.
the Russians state that they struck a Ukrainian warship as well as some warehouse storing US provided harpoon anti-ship missiles in Odessa and that the agreement reached was that they would not attack any freed up port by sea or any grain shipments which, if what the Russians say is true, they did not
 

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the Russians state that they struck a Ukrainian warship as well as some warehouse storing US provided harpoon anti-ship missiles in Odessa and that the agreement reached was that they would not attack any freed up port by sea or any grain shipments which, if what the Russians say is true, they did not
The original Russian report was that it wasn't Russian missiles. Later they changed their stance to say it was Russian missiles but that they targeted military stuff.
 

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The original Russian report was that it wasn't Russian missiles. Later they changed their stance to say it was Russian missiles but that they targeted military stuff.
I think the original Russian report came via their intelligence or foreign ministry advising their Turkish counterparts that it wasn't them and then that is what the Turks advised
 
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