Penrith Junior System

[wendog33]

No doubt Gus will be overseeing this type of Bulldogs commitment, training and effort into our junior system.

(BTW Berala Bears getting $5000 from Telstra for being Api's junior club).

The football factory: The 24-hour walks and stadium sleepouts shaping Penrith’s NRL dynasty

The Panthers had been building to their historic NRL title for years. But what makes their pathways systems so good?

www.smh.com.au

 

[Dog’n’Bone]

a lot of talk about values lol, haven’t seen much evidence of that from them in the past week. Or ever. Let’s not sugarcoat things - they breed grubs who can play footy

 

[Dogmonster]

What a load of absolute shit.
Jim Jones the old fly blown c**t and others allow school teachers to coach Andrew Johns, Laurie Daley, Harold Matthews and SG Ball sides, in every team and case they screw over at least 5 to 6 players to put there own student's in or some country retards that are woefull. Some much for there whiteboard at the top of it is Big Pacific Islander then Country kids followed by what for lunch.
Nathan Cleary was lucky enough to have a side built around him and yes he went to St Dominics also which helps big time.
His younger brother parading around with nrl trophy was shoe horned into Harold Matthews a year younger and played a whopping 3 mins in 1 game.
Explain that to the kid that missed out for him. Good culture BULLSHIT.
Most of the Pacific Islander kids play union as well and its like a gun to penriths head so they kiss there areas more instead of looking after loyal talented kids.
Unless your in there top 3 players they are maggots to be near.
Worst junior system that don't use the new academy hardly ever.
Matt Cameron lets teachers get what they want, go to there some of there trials and watch them playing on there phones not even watching the games, squads are already picked. Frauds.

 

[wendog33]

No doubt Gus will be overseeing this type of Bulldogs commitment, training and effort into our junior system.

(BTW Berala Bears getting $5000 from Telstra for being Api's junior club).

The football factory: The 24-hour walks and stadium sleepouts shaping Penrith’s NRL dynasty

The Panthers had been building to their historic NRL title for years. But what makes their pathways systems so good?

www.smh.com.au

Well let's just pull out the positive pathways and junior coaching improvements that Gus installed there for the Bulldogs now and keep out the bs you guys are talking about.

 

[Dogmonster]

Gus will make it better no doubt about it, it's the ones under him that can stuff it up.
It's not bs what I said I actually know what im saying.
You wouldn't know this but in 2020 Harold Matthews it was under 16s covid stopped it and sg ball, In Harold Matthews Bulldogs and Panthers both unbeaten would have been the grand final for sure.
2021 they put age up for Harold Matthews to under 17s so Same kids would play again, only difference is both Bulldogs and Panthers f**ked up changing their unbeaten sides, look where they ended up finishing, Panthers 3rd or 4th and Bulldogs near last, and that's no BS fact.

 

[ATT]

To be honest they have there past players heavily involved. Gower goes to 20s training with halves at least 2 times a week. The past players go to stmarys etc. the flegg managers etc coach in the junior teams as do past players.
Getting teachers involved is I agree a double edged sword. Most aren’t interested or think they have better knowledge than they do. However without them getting buy in and feeling important. The kids at sport days and in school sport will be doing AFL. Which will drain league.
Agree 100% with wendog 33 we need to put in place the good bit pathway systems in place. And encourage growth through school all the way through. Even the ones who aren’t stars will follow there school mates who are and become fans of the future of tribal teams. It’s a win win

 

[Dogmonster]

Alot of the problem is work hours, teachers finish early and can go do these pathways rep sides thats the problem, better coaches start at under 20s onwards.

 

[wendog33]

Gus will make it better no doubt about it, it's the ones under him that can stuff it up.
It's not bs what I said I actually know what im saying.
You wouldn't know this but in 2020 Harold Matthews it was under 16s covid stopped it and sg ball, In Harold Matthews Bulldogs and Panthers both unbeaten would have been the grand final for sure.
2021 they put age up for Harold Matthews to under 17s so Same kids would play again, only difference is both Bulldogs and Panthers f**ked up changing their unbeaten sides, look where they ended up finishing, Panthers 3rd or 4th and Bulldogs near last, and that's no BS fact.

I said keep out the bs you guys are talking about.

You've miss read what I wrote.

I guess I should have said "keep out the bs practices and rubbish you guys have pointed out"

 

[ATT]

Alot of the problem is work hours, teachers finish early and can go do these pathways rep sides thats the problem, better coaches start at under 20s onwards.

Agree 100% and being honest most them don’t want do league coaching. But it gets them to buy into league programs. It gets schools to buy into league programs. And at flegg as a example the riff have like you outlined better coaches. Which have all played at some level of success. The school teachers at that level. Do general suggest ideas on improved learning. A example of that is the team every year making a impact statement to live buy. That means training, playing, diet, support for each other. This gets them to align as one.
We have to align our statement and buy in to deliver

 

[diddly]

The talk about organisational values and culture is way over rated - behaviours, attitudes and talent is the key to the success or otherwise of organisations.
Talking up values n culture has a role but becomes meaningless, and a potential negative destructive thing when the behaviours n attitudes of members dont align

 

[gbrussell]

What a load of absolute shit.
Jim Jones the old fly blown c**t and others allow school teachers to coach Andrew Johns, Laurie Daley, Harold Matthews and SG Ball sides, in every team and case they screw over at least 5 to 6 players to put there own student's in or some country retards that are woefull. Some much for there whiteboard at the top of it is Big Pacific Islander then Country kids followed by what for lunch.
Nathan Cleary was lucky enough to have a side built around him and yes he went to St Dominics also which helps big time.
His younger brother parading around with nrl trophy was shoe horned into Harold Matthews a year younger and played a whopping 3 mins in 1 game.
Explain that to the kid that missed out for him. Good culture BULLSHIT.
Most of the Pacific Islander kids play union as well and its like a gun to penriths head so they kiss there areas more instead of looking after loyal talented kids.
Unless your in there top 3 players they are maggots to be near.
Worst junior system that don't use the new academy hardly ever.
Matt Cameron lets teachers get what they want, go to there some of there trials and watch them playing on there phones not even watching the games, squads are already picked. Frauds.

I have heard similar stories over the last few years about talented kids missing out on selection in Harold Matthews and in SG Ball in favour of kids who are related to club officials, who let's just say abuse their powers. 2 districts south of the Bulldogs are the ones I hear about the most.

Nepotism happens in lots of sports. I once became aware of a junior cricketer who got 50 lbws in 12 games one season. His father was always umpiring at his end. When he got to grade cricket the lbws dried up with proper umpires and he never got out of 5th grade. 2 years and he was never seen again.

Biggest problem in Junior sport is nepotism.

 

[diddly]

I have heard similar stories over the last few years about talented kids missing out on selection in Harold Matthews and in SG Ball in favour of kids who are related to club officials, who let's just say abuse their powers. 2 districts south of the Bulldogs are the ones I hear about the most.

Nepotism happens in lots of sports. I once became aware of a junior cricketer who got 50 lbws in 12 games one season. His father was always umpiring at his end. When he got to grade cricket the lbws dried up with proper umpires and he never got out of 5th grade. 2 years and he was never seen again.

Biggest problem in Junior sport is nepotism.

Nepotism in junior representative sport has been around forever and will continue to be - best that can be done is to limit it. In league a more recent issue has been the rush for immediate results/ wins / success - big kids win games at junior level therefore pick more big kids. For a number of years after 2012 the Dogs rep sides seemed to have 14 of each 17 running out each week all the same shape n size.

 

[Dogmonster]

No doubt Gus will be overseeing this type of Bulldogs commitment, training and effort into our junior system.

(BTW Berala Bears getting $5000 from Telstra for being Api's junior club).

The football factory: The 24-hour walks and stadium sleepouts shaping Penrith’s NRL dynasty

The Panthers had been building to their historic NRL title for years. But what makes their pathways systems so good?

www.smh.com.au

Sorry not bagging your post wendog33 no intent at all, hope Gus brings success but this happened at penrith under his nose also, and the very ones patting him on the back also put the knives in it.Just pointing out some facts that all the media hipe about Penrith being the golden child club is alot of smoke and mirrors.

 

[Disposable Hero]

What a load of absolute shit.
Jim Jones the old fly blown c**t and others allow school teachers to coach Andrew Johns, Laurie Daley, Harold Matthews and SG Ball sides, in every team and case they screw over at least 5 to 6 players to put there own student's in or some country retards that are woefull. Some much for there whiteboard at the top of it is Big Pacific Islander then Country kids followed by what for lunch.
Nathan Cleary was lucky enough to have a side built around him and yes he went to St Dominics also which helps big time.
His younger brother parading around with nrl trophy was shoe horned into Harold Matthews a year younger and played a whopping 3 mins in 1 game.
Explain that to the kid that missed out for him. Good culture BULLSHIT.
Most of the Pacific Islander kids play union as well and its like a gun to penriths head so they kiss there areas more instead of looking after loyal talented kids.
Unless your in there top 3 players they are maggots to be near.
Worst junior system that don't use the new academy hardly ever.
Matt Cameron lets teachers get what they want, go to there some of there trials and watch them playing on there phones not even watching the games, squads are already picked. Frauds.

Anyone who has any ties to the area also know what your talking about. Would have heard whispers and seen the same through lower grades. Im sure it happens in most clubs, and sports.


Unfotunately some people in this forum prefer to bury thier heads in the sand and pretend these things don't happen.

 

[wendog33]

Sorry not bagging your post wendog33 no intent at all, hope Gus brings success but this happened at penrith under his nose also, and the very ones patting him on the back also put the knives in it.Just pointing out some facts that all the media hipe about Penrith being the golden child club is alot of smoke and mirrors.

Yeah well the ol' pennies golden halo club has well and truly slipped somewhat this week

Their junior based success is real tho.



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[Dogmonster]

Yeah well the ol' pennies golden halo club has well and truly slipped somewhat this week

Their junior based success is real tho.



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Not when you look at Harold Matthews and SG Ball premerships they have won sweet f**k all, have a look.
Panthers and Parramatta should win it every year nearly.
But they are masters at screwing kids and themselves over.
Put it this way if your a good halfback at penrith, you have no chance for the next 10 years, even his younger brother Ivans son will shaft Luai in a few years.

 

[gbrussell]

Not when you look at Harold Matthews and SG Ball premerships they have won sweet f**k all, have a look.
Panthers and Parramatta should win it every year nearly.
But they are masters at screwing kids and themselves over.
Put it this way if your a good halfback at penrith, you have no chance for the next 10 years, even his younger brother Ivans son will shaft Luai in a few years.

I can safely say that the right coaches don't always get a gig either as coach or assistant in Harold Matthews and SG Ball.

A lot of the time the coach is an ex nrl player who sees the players for the 1st time at the pre season trials. Coaches in the area who have seen them play from a young age and know them well are not always part of the coaching setup at rep level.

 

[Dogmonster]

Ive also seen coaches with super teams being rewarded, where on the other hand a coach with a moderate team that over achieves through good coaching is given nothing.

 

[the Coyote]

What a load of absolute shit.
Jim Jones the old fly blown c**t and others allow school teachers to coach Andrew Johns, Laurie Daley, Harold Matthews and SG Ball sides, in every team and case they screw over at least 5 to 6 players to put there own student's in or some country retards that are woefull. Some much for there whiteboard at the top of it is Big Pacific Islander then Country kids followed by what for lunch.
Nathan Cleary was lucky enough to have a side built around him and yes he went to St Dominics also which helps big time.
His younger brother parading around with nrl trophy was shoe horned into Harold Matthews a year younger and played a whopping 3 mins in 1 game.
Explain that to the kid that missed out for him. Good culture BULLSHIT.
Most of the Pacific Islander kids play union as well and its like a gun to penriths head so they kiss there areas more instead of looking after loyal talented kids.
Unless your in there top 3 players they are maggots to be near.
Worst junior system that don't use the new academy hardly ever.
Matt Cameron lets teachers get what they want, go to there some of there trials and watch them playing on there phones not even watching the games, squads are already picked. Frauds.

A good post … yes, most of the polys play league and Union .. but this becomes difficult at 15’s when the league boys start playing Sundays .. SJRU only play on Sundays .. the president of Penrith RSL rugby team was pushing for an emerging Colts Comp (u17s) to be played on Saturday afternoons to keep the guys playing league , still playing rugby .. Penriff dominate the u12’s to U15’s at state rugby tournaments .. however they pushed these 16/17 year olds up into an under 20 1st grade Colts comp and they were getting 100 put on them every week and the Penrith Emus after being brought back .. have been excluded again..
I still keep an eye on my old junior club, St Marys, they are a massive club, their game day schedule is epic, they have 8 or 9 teams every year in the u6’s .. and it continues right up to 15’s where they are still fielding 2 or 3 teams .. most junior clubs in wests or the bulldog comps are lucky to field a 15’s side … the riff have massive numbers..
Nepotism in kids sports has been around since Dally Messenger was a boy .. the coaches son is usually the captain and always gets the best and fairest awards at the end of the year..
I also agree, that rep teams are picked before a ball is kicked at trials .. sad thing is, they pick the same connected shit players every year, get smashed at tournaments ..and the next year , it’s the shit connected players getting smashed again .. but hey, the parents and coaches are best buds and look little Johnny is a rep player …. Every year rugby pick their rep teams, the left overs form a Barbarians team .. and every year the rejects win …

 

[The DoggFather]

Biggest problem in Junior sport is nepotism.

Flamingo is the best example