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[wendog33]

The problem I have is relativity, my view (as it has always been) is that the punishment doesn't fit the indiscretion (it wasn't a crime) as we know it. How many other players have breached the NRL Player Code of Conduct (CoC) and not received comparable punishment? To the best of my knowledge the CoC came about as result of the Pierce incident in 2016 which wasn't criminal but brought the NRL into considerable disrepute. So it has been around for 4 years and have seen one player contract containing it from 2018. So how many players could be considered to have breached the CoC in that 4 year period? How does their punishment align with the contract deregistration of CHN and JO? I don't think it matters whether the player was charged with a criminal offence or not, whether they were convicted or not. A proven and/or admitted breach of the CoC is still a breach of the COC and should attract punishment commensurate with the level of disrepute wrought upon the NRL. The only escape would be complete exoneration and/or withdrawal of the charges., Reynolds being an example. The fact that Inglis had no conviction recorded is irrelevant in that his conduct breached the Code. Similarly Lodge, it matters not that the breach was overseas, he still broke the CoC as it was reported locally. Does anyone seriously believe that their conduct didn't breach the CoC?

The question is, were any of the above or other CoC breakers deregistered? I can't recall any, not a single one. So only JO and CHN's breaches of the CoC alone were deemed worthy of contract deregistration? It doesn't pass the proverbial "pub test", well not mine anyway.

Go Dogs

This is exactly my take on it as well.

It was lop-sided treatment and fans can say that without condoning their behaviour.

PS All the fluff Dinkims put into the argument is just personal vindictiveness towards me and also backed up by the rest of the jackals.

 

[wendog33]

come on Dinkum, just apologise

is it because you dont apologising to women?

They jump on their vindictive bandwagon together and it really doesn't matter what anyone says, or the issue or principle, they'll find fault and start an argument.

Nothing but 3 jackals.

 

[DinkumDog]

The problem I have is relativity, my view (as it has always been) is that the punishment doesn't fit the indiscretion (it wasn't a crime) as we know it. How many other players have breached the NRL Player Code of Conduct (CoC) and not received comparable punishment? To the best of my knowledge the CoC came about as result of the Pierce incident in 2016 which wasn't criminal but brought the NRL into considerable disrepute. So it has been around for 4 years and have seen one player contract containing it from 2018. So how many players could be considered to have breached the CoC in that 4 year period? How does their punishment align with the contract deregistration of CHN and JO? I don't think it matters whether the player was charged with a criminal offence or not, whether they were convicted or not. A proven and/or admitted breach of the CoC is still a breach of the COC and should attract punishment commensurate with the level of disrepute wrought upon the NRL. The only escape would be complete exoneration and/or withdrawal of the charges., Reynolds being an example. The fact that Inglis had no conviction recorded is irrelevant in that his conduct breached the Code. Similarly Lodge, it matters not that the breach was overseas, he still broke the CoC as it was reported locally. Does anyone seriously believe that their conduct didn't breach the CoC?

The question is, were any of the above or other CoC breakers deregistered? I can't recall any, not a single one. So only JO and CHN's breaches of the CoC alone were deemed worthy of contract deregistration? It doesn't pass the proverbial "pub test", well not mine anyway.

Go Dogs

There is information that has not and will not be made public - that simply needs to be accepted. Comparison to other cases isn’t correct either, even more ‘straight forward’ CoC cases such as Mitchell Pearce.

The only question to be answered is: do their actions constitute complete and permanent de-registration (currently the sanction imposed by the NRL) or are they entitled to full and immediate reinstatement of their registrations due to the NRL erring in its original decision.

An alternative as part of the appeal process - are they seeking a defined period of de-registration after which they can be then re-registered.

I’m not willing to say here what I think the outcome will be as I’m not privy to all the evidence either.

In comparing cases (not actions leading to the outcome, just the outcome) - Ben Barba would be the closest - and he has not been re-registered.

 

[El Padrino]

They jump on their vindictive bandwagon together and it really doesn't matter what anyone says, or the issue or priniple, they'll find fault and start an argument.

Nothing but 3 jackals.

oh Wendog, these guys are so wound up that all posts are taken literally or must be in reference to laws and legalities that were written back in 1925.

I think they need to "release" some pressure

poor guys I feel sorry for them....

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Everytime time I see this brought up I can't help myself but think of blacked...I'm a terrible person

 

[Natboy]

They jump on their vindictive bandwagon together and it really doesn't matter what anyone says, or the issue or priniple, they'll find fault and start an argument.

Nothing but 3 jackals.

You also behave like a jackal jumping on all of our posts with your little crew but the term mutt is more suitable for you. Relax and take a lie down

 

[Natboy]

oh Wendog, these guys are so wound up that all posts are taken literally or must be in reference to laws and legalities that were written back in 1925.

I think they need to "release" some pressure

poor guys I feel sorry for them....

1925? Peace officers, voting or land titles?
Don’t feel sorry for us mate. We’ll be ok

 

[wendog33]

oh Wendog, these guys are so wound up that all posts are taken literally or must be in reference to laws and legalities that were written back in 1925.

I think they need to "release" some pressure

poor guys I feel sorry for them....

True that.

Do I know you from any of the 6 Bulldogs sites I'm on?

I give as good as I get. No problems there but it wears thin when it's 3 on one majority of the time. And they so love to twist, taunt and manipulate what others say.

Anyway thank you. Appreciate the intervention.

 

[Shire Dog]

There is information that has not and will not be made public - that simply needs to be accepted. Comparison to other cases isn’t correct either, even more ‘straight forward’ CoC cases such as Mitchell Pearce.

The only question to be answered is: do their actions constitute complete and permanent de-registration (currently the sanction imposed by the NRL) or are they entitled to full and immediate reinstatement of their registrations due to the NRL erring in its original decision.

An alternative as part of the appeal process - are they seeking a defined period of de-registration after which they can be then re-registered.

I’m not willing to say here what I think the outcome will be as I’m not privy to all the evidence either.

In comparing cases (not actions leading to the outcome, just the outcome) - Ben Barba would be the closest - and he has not been re-registered.

I agree that our club just followed the rules by making NRL aware of what went on with our two players.
There was no way to cover or smooth things over considering the fact social media was involved.
Our management is absolutely faultless in this saga and have nothing to do with the punishment handed down.
Do you think the players would see it this way.
Would they happily come back to us one day with no hard feelings towards our club.

 

[wendog33]

There is information that has not and will not be made public - that simply needs to be accepted. Comparison to other cases isn’t correct either, even more ‘straight forward’ CoC cases such as Mitchell Pearce.

The only question to be answered is: do their actions constitute complete and permanent de-registration (currently the sanction imposed by the NRL) or are they entitled to full and immediate reinstatement of their registrations due to the NRL erring in its original decision.

An alternative as part of the appeal process - are they seeking a defined period of de-registration after which they can be then re-registered.

I’m not willing to say here what I think the outcome will be as I’m not privy to all the evidence either.

In comparing cases (not actions leading to the outcome, just the outcome) - Ben Barba would be the closest - and he has not been re-registered.

More stuff we just have to take your word for ...ugh.

You put Ben Barba offences as the closest to these 2 guys...ugh.

 

[TwinTurbo]

In comparing cases (not actions leading to the outcome, just the outcome) - Ben Barba would be the closest - and he has not been re-registered.

But his actions (in fact some crimes) were of a much higher level and repetitive, he was given chances and still he repeated the offences, multiple times. So, much as like with the NRL judiciary, he had built up "carry over points". As a repeat offender the punishment does fit the crime compared to CHN and JO who were first time offenders with no "carry over points".

Go Dogs

 

[DinkumDog]

But his actions (in fact some crimes) were of a much higher level and repetitive, he was given chances and still he repeated the offences, multiple times. So, much as like with the NRL judiciary, he had built up "carry over points". As a repeat offender the punishment does fit the crime compared to CHN and JO who were first time offenders with no "carry over points".

Go Dogs

Different circumstances and no precedent was required. This is perhaps why some remain perplexed at the outcome. Let’s see how the appeal process plays out.

 

[DinkumDog]

I agree that our club just followed the rules by making NRL aware of what went on with our two players.
There was no way to cover or smooth things over considering the fact social media was involved.
Our management is absolutely faultless in this saga and have nothing to do with the punishment handed down.
Do you think the players would see it this way.
Would they happily come back to us one day with no hard feelings towards our club.

Can’t answer that question mate.
But it’s also a matter of desire for both parties. Remember that outside the bigger ‘incident’ there was the loss of $2m of sponsorship that given the current status of the world is proving difficult to replace...

 

[wendog33]

Different circumstances and no precedent was required. This is perhaps why some remain perplexed at the outcome. Let’s see how the appeal process plays out.

What did you mean by this statement of yours then Dinkum?

His outcome was based on several actions.


"In comparing cases (not actions leading to the outcome, just the outcome) - Ben Barba would be the closest - and he has not been re-registered."

 

[SweetFA]

Yes, they will be free to be employed by any NRL club, it’s a matter of whether the Bulldogs would want them back if they qualify for NRL registration.

It’s more the case of the players wanting to come back. Given how Club management treated and are treating the 2 as Paraiahs. Putting yourself in their shoes (assuming-they’re victorious); would you return to the employer that managed the situation in this manner?

 

[Bazildog]

 

[DinkumDog]

It’s more the case of the players wanting to come back. Given how Club management treated and are treating the 2 as Paraiahs. Putting yourself in their shoes (assuming-they’re victorious); would you return to the employer that managed the situation in this manner?

I’d say it’s mutual.
Does the club want them back?

 

[SweetFA]

I’d say it’s mutual.
Does the club want them back?

I notice you didn’t put yourself in the players’ shoes. It was poorly handled by Club management. Unfortunately we’ll never know the outcome of the incident review...would love to be a fly on the wall Thursday night!!!!!!

 

[hayes]

It was on the news that hearing was today does anyone know anything.

 

[Psycho Doggie]

I notice you didn’t put yourself in the players’ shoes. It was poorly handled by Club management. Unfortunately we’ll never know the outcome of the incident review...would love to be a fly on the wall Thursday night!!!!!!

Were you present whenever the club met with or communicated with the players throughout this process?