Mr Archer tells us something we already know

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Well, well, well. So the Referees boss has told us that the last pass for the match wining Roosters try was forward. Fans at the ground and those watching on the television broadcast knew this at the time but due to the inability of the touch judge ( who Archer says was right there and had a good view of it) to pick it up plus the two referees and the video referee the Roosters were gifted a win that they had no right to have.
It was more unsettling that the try that Penrith had disallowed, that could have truly put the game out of the reach of the Roosters, was looked at with a fine tooth comb because they could ( and yes it was according to the laws of the game a correct ruling regarding inside the 10 ) yet they still could not check the Roosters one which was blatantly obvious.

It is well and good to apologize to all for the stuff ups but that does not make a difference to quite a few things, such as the two points Penrith missed out on nor the for and against of both sides.

I for one am getting heartily sick and tired of apologies after the fact.

Another thing that grinds my gears is the inability of the video referee to now look at things in general play that also have an effect on the result; strips, touches of the ball, knock ons etc. let alone the fact that they have never been able to adjudicate on forward passes ( although they did so with great effect last year when we became the first, and at the moment, the only team to be denied a try on what could only have been a thought of a forward pass ruling even though that was not the issue according to the referee; my opinion; denial by proxy)

Yesterday there was another great opportunity for the video ref to alert the on field official that Souths had won a scrum illegally. Trent Hodkinson tells the referee that his decision regarding the scrum win against the feed by Souths and the resultant penalty given has "Cost us the game". That is true. So, for speaking his mind, quite like Cameron Smith or JT does frequently he is singled out for punishment . I did not hear a swear word or a cheating accusation, just a simple comment that was a fact. The scrums are a 'non-contest' and have been for years with no striking for the ball and no pushing in the scrum allowed ; the ball fed by the half back basically between their prop and second rowers feet. HOW on earth can you lose a scrum when the laws of the game dictate their is to be basically no contest?

It is comforting to know too Mr Archer ,that no matter what a player does on the field by way of foul play, he will not be dismissed from the field for the rest of the game. Burgess and his wayward elbow should have led to his instant dismissal and a date with the judiciary. Why just send him for ten and put him on report? Newcastle scored twice during his absence; that was quite fitting, but why allow Souths to finish the game 13 on 13 without what many would say was really a proper penalty? If that Newcastle player had been put out of the game the only side being penalised would have been Newcastle.

Sam Burgess was very lucky not to have gone too, for his running a considerable distance to stick up for his grubby brother, which he does frequently. Well and good to stick up for a team mate but why when that team mate is one who has thrown an elbow into an opponents head?

What is the bet that their will be ANOTHER adjustment to the rules next year that says the video ref has once again the power to rule on things that are now out of his job description this year.

This whole mess has been caused by the now CEO of the NRL making sure that his precious officials are not actually answerable for errors that they make because they are beyond criticism. Makes any apology given meaningless, as the on field officials continue to get it wrong without the ability of someone who has a mass of technology at his disposal to correct it.
 

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Im ok with video ref not calling forward passes. When video ref first came out they couldnt be used for passes. Unless they can have a spider cam right above both the passer and the receiver, camera angles can make a pass look more or less forward.
 

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Im ok with video ref not calling forward passes. When video ref first came out they couldnt be used for passes. Unless they can have a spider cam right above both the passer and the receiver, camera angles can make a pass look more or less forward.
I'd fucking love spider cam or a birds eye view that we can once again use to see how far offside one team can constantly be as well as to help determine forward passes.

Here's a thought. Don't apologise for fuck ups, punish the refs that make them. Three weeks vacation from their job with no pay is probably a good way to ensure they're trying to be on their game, for a second mistake that costs a team a game, make it six weeks. After all they're only going to be getting paper bag payments from gambling agencies if they are reffing games. Right now you would think they're the games drawcards.
 

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Im ok with video ref not calling forward passes. When video ref first came out they couldnt be used for passes. Unless they can have a spider cam right above both the passer and the receiver, camera angles can make a pass look more or less forward.
There's are parallel lines every 10 meters, there's the technology to superimpose a digital line over replays. There has to be an option to get consistent calls - not for every forward pass but forward passes that lead to game changing moments - especially tries.
 

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There's are parallel lines every 10 meters, there's the technology to superimpose a digital line over replays. There has to be an option to get consistent calls - not for every forward pass but forward passes that lead to game changing moments - especially tries.
The NRL can't even manage that for offsides lol
 

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The rule is too technical. If it leaves the hands in a flat or backward motion its ok. Even if it floats 2 metres forward after that, its still deemed ok. Open to too much interpretation. If a try is scored of a forward pass or so called forward pass, it should go upstairs.The technology is there, use it. Very simple, if it leaves the hands forward, NO TRY. If its a forward pass during general play that is missed and does not lead to a try, then let it be. This at least should reduce the controversy.
 

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Souffs have won many a game through forward passing.

But so have many teams , its a very contentious area because its subjective depending on where the touch judges are at the time
 

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The rule is too technical. If it leaves the hands in a flat or backward motion its ok. Even if it floats 2 metres forward after that, its still deemed ok. Open to too much interpretation. If a try is scored of a forward pass or so called forward pass, it should go upstairs.The technology is there, use it. Very simple, if it leaves the hands forward, NO TRY. If its a forward pass during general play that is missed and does not lead to a try, then let it be. This at least should reduce the controversy.
Absolutely
 

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So that is 2 games the Roosters have won by less than 6 points where the official review has ruled illegal tries granted.

That should mean the Roosters should be on 2 pts not 6. Guess who the favoured team is this year
 

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I'd fucking love spider cam or a birds eye view that we can once again use to see how far offside one team can constantly be as well as to help determine forward passes.

Here's a thought. Don't apologise for fuck ups, punish the refs that make them. Three weeks vacation from their job with no pay is probably a good way to ensure they're trying to be on their game, for a second mistake that costs a team a game, make it six weeks. After all they're only going to be getting paper bag payments from gambling agencies if they are reffing games. Right now you would think they're the games drawcards.
That would never work!!! Its human nature to make mistakes, therefore every single ref would be sitting out every single week with no one to replace them beacause they were already sitting out.
Hang on, then we could ref our own games?
 

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In soccer they have the offside line on tv, surely the nrl can pay for this technology and get offsides and forward passes at a 100%success rate on video ref stoppages

Also that roosters penrith game, that SAME touch judge had tupou RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM catch a ball while he was CLEARLY stepping on the line and didn't call it.

I think this particular touch judge was just plain shit and so the question should be asked how on earth he got promoted to first grade
 

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There's are parallel lines every 10 meters, there's the technology to superimpose a digital line over replays. There has to be an option to get consistent calls - not for every forward pass but forward passes that lead to game changing moments - especially tries.
The technology is there.. NFL use it.

NRL though have their reasons not for investing in it *cough* bettingpartnersrigginggames *cough*
 

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In soccer they have the offside line on tv, surely the nrl can pay for this technology and get offsides and forward passes at a 100%success rate on video ref stoppages

Also that roosters penrith game, that SAME touch judge had tupou RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM catch a ball while he was CLEARLY stepping on the line and didn't call it.

I think this particular touch judge was just plain shit and so the question should be asked how on earth he got promoted to first grade


His name was drawn out of the hat titled 'promote as less shit than the others last week'.

These guys are paid to do one job and one job only: to assist the lead referee and his offsider rule on such things as offside, in touch ( both ball and player) , stripping of the ball, the third and fourth set of eyes regarding forward passes and goal or no goal. It is mind boggling that these tasks are well and truly beyond the majority of them.
I noticed that Fox has the tackle count superimposed on the grass as it happens ( and in the appropriate team colours too). What about their new you beaut ten metre marker line that we are yet to see. That one probably does not please the Nrl as it will most certainly show up their officials for the frauds they are.
 

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I'm still trying to catch up from the fact that Archer kept his job for this year......
 
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