Movie Discussion

[Jai81]

There's some discussion in the TV thread i think - i've put it ion my watchlist, but i've also tried watching K-drama before and been severely disappointed.

You will not be disappointed with this one mate.

 

[Greenmachine121]

Have you guys watched Squid Game yet?

Didn’t think it was anything special to be honest

 

[CroydonDog]

I'm taking my son to his first movie in a cinema on Saturday - the Paw Patrol Movie. Anyone seen it? Any good?

 

[alchemist]

Yeah I get the self congratulatory thing being annoying but if we just put that to the side for the sake of conversation: what are James Bond's key characteristics? Are any of them exclusively white?

We aren't talking about them making him a Mexican, transgendered, pansexual who identifies as a sea urchin.

what qualifies as a key characteristic for a purely fictional character, I wonder? I guess for a fictional Russian spy/assassin like Natasha Romanova/Black Widow in the MCU, casting a white actress makes sense considering Russia's ethnic make up and so no Halle Berry... how about a secret agent in Europe that may need to go undercover or blend in and yet be black or Middle East or Polynesian in appearance? hard to go grey then... then again, part of the Bond persona is standing out to the point he tells people his REAL surname TWICE - "Bond... James Bond!"

let me ask you a different question... Germany now is a pretty multicultural country, too, with ethnic Germans making up about 75% of the 80+ million population... there are a lot of Turks, a lot of Africans etc. in Deutschland... but what are the chances any reboot of Die Hard would involve casting a coloured Hans Gruber? none... something to ponder why

now, I am not against updating/changing characters and stories and franchises if those decisions are made creatively... for example, Bond is introduced as a Beretta carrying, WWII veteran in "Dr No"... Daenerys in the books is like 14 years old when they start but the "Game of Thrones" showrunners rightfully cast a 24 year old Emilia Clarke considering some of her scenes in Season 1... but if it is diversity for diversity sakes, then no

one last thing... Ian Fleming himself said Bond resembled singer, Hoagy Carmichael

 

[Bazildog]

I'm taking my son to his first movie in a cinema on Saturday - the Paw Patrol Movie. Anyone seen it? Any good?

Kid movies with the family is awesome. Half the time the movie is pretty watchable and you get to eat all the movie junk food as well.

 

[alchemist]

my niece is 4 and a 1/2 but her parents don't take her to the cinemas... they say it is too early for her even though I know she would love a Paw Patrol movie

 

[CroydonDog]

my niece is 4 and a 1/2 but her parents don't take her to the cinemas... they say it is too early for her even though I know she would love a Paw Patrol movie

We've done a free movie in the park put on by council so hopefully he'll be ok in a theatre (he's 3.5). I just bought the tickets and am going to spend the next 4 days using it as leverage to ensure he behaves himself.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Didn’t think it was anything special to be honest

It was definitely over hyped and overrated. But I really enjoyed it.

That said, one of the main problems was that the English acting was so horrible. I watched through it in English then Korean and in Korean there's so much nuance and detail that's lost in English.

The most surprising part is that the crazy chick that bangs the gangster, in the Korean version she's very well acted. In the English dub it makes her look like an idiot.

 

[alchemist]

We've done a free movie in the park put on by council so hopefully he'll be ok in a theatre (he's 3.5). I just bought the tickets and am going to spend the next 4 days using it as leverage to ensure he behaves himself.

it is amazing how quickly you start negotiating with an infant... no TV until she's eaten her meal, one sweet only per day (until grandma comes in and showers her with TimTams), you'll buy the toy but only if she shares with her cousins etc.

 

[Greenmachine121]

It was definitely over hyped and overrated. But I really enjoyed it.

That said, one of the main problems was that the English acting was so horrible. I watched through it in English then Korean and in Korean there's so much nuance and detail that's lost in English.

The most surprising part is that the crazy chick that bangs the gangster, in the Korean version she's very well acted. In the English dub it makes her look like an idiot.

Yeah the English voice over is horrendous, a mate of mine said the same as you much better to watch in Korean

 

[CroydonDog]

It was definitely over hyped and overrated. But I really enjoyed it.

That said, one of the main problems was that the English acting was so horrible. I watched through it in English then Korean and in Korean there's so much nuance and detail that's lost in English.

The most surprising part is that the crazy chick that bangs the gangster, in the Korean version she's very well acted. In the English dub it makes her look like an idiot.

With English subtitles or can you speak Korean?

 

[Hacky McAxe]

With English subtitles or can you speak Korean?

With English subtitles. I know roughly less than zero words in Korean. But watching it with Korean dubs comes across so much better.

 

[Doogie]

With English subtitles. I know roughly less than zero words in Korean. But watching it with Korean dubs comes across so much better.

Always the native language. Never does a show/movie justice hearing dodgy English voice overs.

 

[Realist90]

I never used the word problematic, you're trying to make this into a PC thing, I'm simply saying the specific examples of Selina Kyle and Jim Gordon aren't intrinsically white.

Black Panther is from Wakanda, a fictional, all black African nation. His name is a reference to an all black socio-political movement that was first and foremost interested in the rights of black people. Black Panther must be black.

A black Superman wouldn't be Clark Kent, if they were to do it they'd go down the Earth 23 path I'd guess.

The amount of… never mind l

Interesting take.. Story wise looks good..especially the Riddler.. He looks a little pumped..Here is artificial on him working out..

https://cosmicbook.news/batman-robert-pattinson-working-out

Gay? How so?

Oh I must add..its not a new thing to have a black actress as Catwoman.. Eartha Kitt played her in the 1960s tv series Batman, and Halle Berry played her the infamous Catwoman movie..

i keep re watching the trailer lol. I really still do have a problem with the woke casting for muh diversity and repruhsentations but I do love the brutality. The only other thing I want is a batfleck buffed up Batman. I’m sort still annoyed that Warner got cold feet with Snyder’s Batman iteration coz he was too brutal/hyper masculine as per articles. I would’ve loved to see a buff batfleck be an absolute monster. The warehouse scene is still by far the greatest Batman action sequence. But yeah Pattinson needs to eat more meat and way more carbs. The physique adds to fear, which is why batflecks version worked and you would literally shit yourself seeing him in your face. With Pattinson though, it’s like ok I could only imagine people being fearful of him coz of his bulletproof tech suit lol. Not him actually being an imposing figure physically

 

[COVENS]

what qualifies as a key characteristic for a purely fictional character, I wonder? I guess for a fictional Russian spy/assassin like Natasha Romanova/Black Widow in the MCU, casting a white actress makes sense considering Russia's ethnic make up and so no Halle Berry... how about a secret agent in Europe that may need to go undercover or blend in and yet be black or Middle East or Polynesian in appearance? hard to go grey then... then again, part of the Bond persona is standing out to the point he tells people his REAL surname TWICE - "Bond... James Bond!"

let me ask you a different question... Germany now is a pretty multicultural country, too, with ethnic Germans making up about 75% of the 80+ million population... there are a lot of Turks, a lot of Africans etc. in Deutschland... but what are the chances any reboot of Die Hard would involve casting a coloured Hans Gruber? none... something to ponder why

now, I am not against updating/changing characters and stories and franchises if those decisions are made creatively... for example, Bond is introduced as a Beretta carrying, WWII veteran in "Dr No"... Daenerys in the books is like 14 years old when they start but the "Game of Thrones" showrunners rightfully cast a 24 year old Emilia Clarke considering some of her scenes in Season 1... but if it is diversity for diversity sakes, then no

one last thing... Ian Fleming himself said Bond resembled singer, Hoagy Carmichael

For me, when I think of Bond, the boxes that need to be ticked first and foremost are:
- English (by way of Scotland with Scottish and Swiss parents).
- Lady Killer
- Charismatic/Suave
- Handsome
- Physically capable
- Highly trained

With some backstory chicanery eg. African immigrant grandfather to Switzerland, James Bond could pretty easily be represented by Idris Elba, right?
I'm not saying I support that, I don't really care about the James Bond IP tbh - but if he was considered the best man for the role, there would be workarounds for him being black.

 

[Mr 95%]

The amount of… never mind l

i keep re watching the trailer lol. I really still do have a problem with the woke casting for muh diversity and repruhsentations but I do love the brutality. The only other thing I want is a batfleck buffed up Batman. I’m sort still annoyed that Warner got cold feet with Snyder’s Batman iteration coz he was too brutal/hyper masculine as per articles. I would’ve loved to see a buff batfleck be an absolute monster. The warehouse scene is still by far the greatest Batman action sequence. But yeah Pattinson needs to eat more meat and way more carbs. The physique adds to fear, which is why batflecks version worked and you would literally shit yourself seeing him in your face. With Pattinson though, it’s like ok I could only imagine people being fearful of him coz of his bulletproof tech suit lol. Not him actually being an imposing figure physically

What did you think of Bale..I reckon he was in the best shape of them all.. But I know what you mean by the need of big body..

ps..did you notice Catwoman’s face in the trailer when he was beating the crap out some bloke..she was like whoa take it easy..

 

[COVENS]

The amount of… never mind l

i keep re watching the trailer lol. I really still do have a problem with the woke casting for muh diversity and repruhsentations but I do love the brutality. The only other thing I want is a batfleck buffed up Batman. I’m sort still annoyed that Warner got cold feet with Snyder’s Batman iteration coz he was too brutal/hyper masculine as per articles. I would’ve loved to see a buff batfleck be an absolute monster. The warehouse scene is still by far the greatest Batman action sequence. But yeah Pattinson needs to eat more meat and way more carbs. The physique adds to fear, which is why batflecks version worked and you would literally shit yourself seeing him in your face. With Pattinson though, it’s like ok I could only imagine people being fearful of him coz of his bulletproof tech suit lol. Not him actually being an imposing figure physically

It fits the source material.
Batman only gets huge when he's older, which suited Affleck's version.
Pattinson's is supposed to be based on Year One, where Batman is lean and raw.

 

[Mr 95%]

I'm pretty sure they'd do Calvin Harris Superman. If it's Clark Kent Superman and he's black, it would seem a bit odd.

I personally always found the white washing/black washing thing to be odd. In some cases it makes no sense, like Yule Brunner playing the King of Siam. In other cases it's not so much of an issue.

In the Doctor Strange movie they replaced The Ancient One with a white person and there wasn't too much backlash. I think the main reason for that was that the Ancient One was a very stereotypical old asian characture. But also because it wasn't the main character.

A black Achilles is a little more nuanced for me. There were plenty of black people around Ancient Greece and Achilles may not have even been real. There's also a depiction found from around the time on a vase that shows Achilles as black versing Penthesilea who is white. But he was a Greek warrior, not an Ethiopean warrior. So it makes more sense that he would be light skinned.

There's other ones that seem a little more odd. The Full Metal Alchemist movie was one that seemed odd to me. In the manga/anime they were a mixture of races from a ficitonal are that was a blend of Asia and Europe, with the main characters being white European. In the movie it was a full Japanese cast and they just gave them blond wigs. It made full sense because it's a Japanese movie based on a Japanese Manga. But it seemed odd. And it was praised for doing it.

Then on the flip side you have The Last Airbender movie where the anime had an Asian kid as the lead, and they replaced him with an awkward white kid and it felt weird. They replaced pretty much all the asians in the cast with white character and it felt just as odd. And it was ridiculed for doing it. And rightly so.

But Realist is doing his usual over the top reaction. A Black Superman is almost certainly going to be the black superman from the comics. Just like how a black Spider-man is always going to be Miles Morales Spider-man. It's not black washing if they literally get a black actor to play a black character.

But Realist isn't looking at the nuance. He's just looking at a right wing cause to champion.

There was only one Black Superman, it was Muhammad Ali..

 

[alchemist]

For me, when I think of Bond, the boxes that need to be ticked first and foremost are:
- English (by way of Scotland with Scottish and Swiss parents).
- Lady Killer
- Charismatic/Suave
- Handsome
- Physically capable
- Highly trained

With some backstory chicanery eg. African immigrant grandfather to Switzerland, James Bond could pretty easily be represented by Idris Elba, right?
I'm not saying I support that, I don't really care about the James Bond IP tbh - but if he was considered the best man for the role, there would be workarounds for him being black.

Daniel Craig's Bond doesn't really start out as a lady killer or suave in "Casino Royale"... he is more the blunt instrument that 'M' labels him

 

[COVENS]

Daniel Craig's Bond doesn't really start out as a lady killer or suave in "Casino Royale"... he is more the blunt instrument that 'M' labels him

Not a lady killer? How many girls does he rail in it? 2 or 3?

Disagree with not being suave. He's not the refined Bond but the martini, the suits, the casual use of violence, the witticism's - all hallmarks of the character.