Moses Suli agrees to part company

[Brendan07]

Obvious tool, just hope he learns from it. Needs to not waste his career.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Suli failed to respond to Bulldogs warnings
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Michael ChammasChief Reporter
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Wed 28 Feb 2018, 04:30 PM
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The Moses Suli story is a sad one. And unfortunately, one that gets told far too often in rugby league.

This isn’t your typical rugby league bad boy story. Suli never breached the NRL’s code of conduct. There was no wild bender. No off-field misdemeanour. He’s a good kid.

But to put it simply, his heart just wasn’t in it. He lacked the desire to uphold standards required to play in the NRL and now finds himself on the brink of being lost to the game for good despite enormous talent.

When he was sent packing from the Wests Tigers just a month ago, the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs did their due diligence. They had heard the stories.

That sometimes he would turn up to training and sleep in a teammates car instead of hitting the training paddock.

That sometimes he would walk into the gym for a session and leave five minutes later. The Bulldogs knew all this.

Moses Suli made his NRL debut with the Wests Tigers last year.
But Suli convinced them things would be different.

“We went through a process where we had meetings with Moses and Dean and sat down prior to signing him and knew there were challenges,” Bulldogs chief executive Andrew Hill told NRL.com.

“But also once we met with him, we thought the change of environment would change his attitude. And he was definitely telling us that he was ready for a fresh challenge and a new outlook.”

Two weeks ago, NRL.com reported he was on the outer at the Dogs after he had already received two formal warnings and been sent home from training to think about his future.

The Bulldogs weren’t happy about the story. But privately some at the club felt it might have been the kick in the backside that he needed to help him realise just how close he was getting to throwing it all away.

Canterbury did everything they could. They moved him close to their Belmore base. They reinforced their standards. Two days after the NRL story was published, he was late to training once again.

“The first warning was the standard talk about this is how we do things at this club and this is what we expect,” Hill said.

“The second one was ‘here it is in writing, we’re fair dinkum’. He knew very well what standards he needed to meet.

“That was all part of our conditions of signing him. We told him we have a very strong and united group of 30-odd players here. You either buy in like everyone else or you’re telling us you don’t want to be here.”

Moses Suli celebrates a try for the Wests Tigers in 2017.
And that was what he kept telling them repeatedly with his actions, failing to finish sessions let alone starting them late altogether.

It was hoped reuniting him with Warren McDonnell, the Bulldogs recruitment manager who had recruited him to the Wests Tigers several years ago, would have a positive influence.

Even prop Aaron Woods took him under his wing in the hope of igniting a passion that just wasn’t there.

“We thought the change of environment may have been the impetus for Moses to get that passion back for the game but that wasn’t the case,” Hill said.

“We were willing to give him the opportunity. We had great support around him. The resources at this club are second to none. But he wasn’t able to respond to that.

Unfortunately for Suli, he was almost set up to fail from the very beginning. He received a lot of unwanted attention after he reportedly signed the biggest contract in NRL history for a rookie player who hadn’t made his Telstra Premiership debut.

Some said it was as much as $1.3 million over three years. Others at the Wests Tigers would argue differently. But that’s neither here nor there.

The reality is he was placed under the spotlight at a tender age, and given his recent behaviour, those closest to him should have known he wasn’t ready to handle the ramifications of having such lofty expectations placed upon him.

You either buy in like everyone else or you’re telling us you don’t want to be here.

Andrew Hill
Sadly, he's now every chance of being lost to the game. But he’s still the game’s responsibility. NRL welfare officers have been in contact with him over the past few weeks and despite not having a contract with a club, Suli still requires the attention to help him battle some obvious mental demons.

He heartbreakingly lost his father, Manu Suli, after he discovered him passed out on the gym floor back in 2013.

It’s something no kid should ever have to endure. It’s a sad story. But it's now up to Suli to discover how much he wants to fight for that happy ending to a promising career.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/28/bulldogs-release-moses-suli/

 

[Mr Invisible]

He heartbreakingly lost his father, Manu Suli, after he discovered him passed out on the gym floor back in 2013.

I wonder... maybe the gym brings back mental demons for him and reminds him of his dad. That would be a massive psychological hurdle to get over. A requirement of your job, stopped by your own memories of your fathers death.

Very Jamal Idris this one, in how his heart just doesn't seem in it.

With no fatherly figure I'd say he needs a good support base and to get away from it all. When Tigers moved him on, no other club wanted him.

In our club he would have had plenty wanting to help him battle his other demons, instead he threw in the towel.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

I wonder... maybe the gym brings back mental demons for him and reminds him of his dad. That would be a massive psychological hurdle to get over. A requirement of your job, stopped by your own memories of your fathers death.

Very Jamal Idris this one, in how his heart just doesn't seem in it.

With no fatherly figure I'd say he needs a good support base and to get away from it all. When Tigers moved him on, no other club wanted him.

In our club he would have had plenty wanting to help him battle his other demons, instead he threw in the towel.

Possibly. I think he probably lacks the drive to be an NRL footballer at this stage. Everything came easy to him and he probably grew up with everyone telling him how great he was..now when a little hard work was required he just couldn't step up. Injuries also don't help i guess.

 

[_G-Dog_]

This may not be the most important point in thia story but football aside I wonder if the kid actually realises the money hes thrown away

 

[flamebouyant]

Whoever said he was gonna be another Loko were on the money. Both injured when brought over to Belmore and neither actually playing a game in the team colours before getting the boot.

In future lets not buy players while injured or recovering.

In before "but we brought Foran that way" i take him as an exception and hope he fires up this season.

I suggested he wouldnt see fg this year. Not at all surprised by this news. But its definitely a shame.
What a fucking tool!!

 

[flamebouyant]

Fucking excellent news !!! was always going to be a liability and a waste of cap space. Club needs to put in a massive pitch for Zac Lomax now, give the young lad an offer he cant refuse.

Never heard of this kid! Who is he?
I still think we should promote from within if we can though.

 

[flamebouyant]

I'm sure someone predicted he'd never play a game for us on another thread.

It's good that someone with such a poor attitude was shown the door.

I said he would not play fg this year. Its not surprising, but its a damn shame.

 

[EB18]

The nrl, tigers and the bulldogs have a real duty of care to look after this kid. At first I thought his just lazy and lacks drive to succed which may be the case.

But for someone to find there father dead on a gym floor is tragic, let alone a 16 year old kid. I think its a real possibility that everytime he enters a gym thoughts of his old man come back to him. I hope he has a good support network around him.

 

[doggieaaron]

It shows his manager is a lying piece of shit he denied all this when there was talk of this

 

[speedy2460]

Theres a good lesson for all footballers here. No pain, No gain.

 

[gazza]

Mark Hughes used to our recruitment manager and brought to the club many young talents including Jonathon Thurston and Sonny Bill Williams. Mark was fond of reciting a quote from former US President Calvin Coolidge as to what separated his three star recruits from other talented schoolboys: Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.

 

[Bluebody]

Poor guy has some epic sabotage issues - must be driving himself and his family mad. I am sure it would not be fun being him right now.

 

[Wahesh]

Really sad story but hopefully he can find his way in life - whether it be league or something else.

 

[rainman]

His scull would be about 50mm thick
His garbo job will pay him about 50k a year

 

[maroondog72]

I love the tone that dean is setting for the dogs,as for suli finding his father in that manor must have been awful but as a father i would hope it would be a driver for my son to succeed.I guess everyone handles things differently.
All the best moses.

 

[Mr Invisible]

I love the tone that dean is setting for the dogs,as for suli finding his father in that manor must have been awful but as a father i would hope it would be a driver for my son to succeed.I guess everyone handles things differently.
All the best moses.

Depression and once something like that is in your head and your visual, it's very hard to remove.

I hope he gets the help he needs, and who knows.. maybe one day in a few years time he'll consider returning to the NRL, and given how we have looked after him, we'd be a front runner.

I see shades of Foran almost in this one. Foran on one side of his mental health journey and dealing with his demons, Suli on the other.

 

[c-b-b]

The nrl, tigers and the bulldogs have a real duty of care to look after this kid. At first I thought his just lazy and lacks drive to succed which may be the case.

But for someone to find there father dead on a gym floor is tragic, let alone a 16 year old kid. I think its a real possibility that everytime he enters a gym thoughts of his old man come back to him. I hope he has a good support network around him.

I understand what you're saying but thousands of people face bad circumstances and they work normal jobs. Who has a duty of care to them. Their families or the have to deal with it themselves.

Not being hard but his actions have decided his future for the moment, I hope he's able to get his life back in order.

 

[OITENTA-E-NOVE]

I understand what you're saying but thousands of people face bad circumstances and they work normal jobs. Who has a duty of care to them. Their families or the have to deal with it themselves.

Not being hard but his actions have decided his future for the moment, I hope he's able to get his life back in order.

to be fair though the game expects them to be role models and public figures with good standing which your regular 9-5 dosnt require so a duty of care is the least they should receive given the fact they are already extremely underpaid but thats another thing

 

[Oatley Dog]

to be fair though the game expects them to be role models and public figures with good standing which your regular 9-5 dosnt require so a duty of care is the least they should receive given the fact they are already extremely underpaid but thats another thing

The kid was on $400k a year as a 19 year old. Must pay the school leavers a fair bit in NZ if that is underpaid. His problems have nothing to do with footy nor his employment. The NRL has a duty of care to those in the system not those who decide to walk away.