Official Matt Burton to join the Bulldogs in 2022

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I hope so.... still it would be nice to have an experienced half to help the young blokes out and add a bit of depth in case of injury. I rate Gareth and if the article I read is true 500k seems like unders to me.
 

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Brent Naden is in a bit of trouble so this'll hurt your chances of getting Burton early.


Penrith Panthers has issued the following statement in regards to Brent Naden:

“Penrith Panthers acknowledges the provisional suspension handed down to player Brent Naden after he returned a positive test for a recreational drug.
 

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Brent Naden is in a bit of trouble so this'll hurt your chances of getting Burton early.


Penrith Panthers has issued the following statement in regards to Brent Naden:

“Penrith Panthers acknowledges the provisional suspension handed down to player Brent Naden after he returned a positive test for a recreational drug.
He's a centre you have Dean Whare and still have Mansour
 

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He's a centre you have Dean Whare and still have Mansour
and May played centre over Naden. Robert Jennings signed too. Holland looking for a club if they're desperate ( :P ).
 

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and May played centre over Naden. Robert Jennings signed too. Holland looking for a club if they're desperate ( :P ).
Not just that, it wouldn't make sense to play Burton, a 5/8, as a centre, especially considering he is a rookie. Wouldn't it be better for them to go and buy a specialist CC centre rather than play May or Burton there. They should have no problem recruiting a centre considering they're the minor premiers. Release Burton and use his money to buy a cheap centre (said the unbiased Bulldogs fan)
 

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Penrith want compensation for a fourth-choice half with six games to his name


Penrith are set to lose a player they saw fit for six first-grade matches over the past two seasons. And they are furious about it.
Last week, the Bulldogs signed Matt Burton and the Panthers reckon they should be compensated for the time they put in developing the young man.

“It’s disappointing for our fans when we’ve brought [Burton] up from 17 years of age and had coaches coaching him to get his skills where they are, and to have him snatched out of your hands and get no reward for the efforts we’ve put in to promoting the game [is hard to take],” Panthers CEO Brian Fletcher was quoted as saying in the Sydney Morning Herald.

“There’s something wrong with the system. It doesn’t encourage anybody to have a pathway system and development system like we’ve got.
“Why would you have one when they get to the potential of playing NRL, someone comes and grabs them?”
As for a workaround, Fletcher told Nine in a separate interview, “If he’s paid X amount of dollars to go there, part of that to the first year should go back to the club that developed him.”

It’s an issue worthy of discussion and one that the league has not paid sufficient respect to over the years.
But my question is: why should another club pay you for developing a guy you only consider worthy of your reserves?

My headline is admittedly facetious because Burton is considered up there with the best emerging talent in the NRL.
But it’s still the case that since making his debut for the Riff in August 2019, he’s played a total of six games.

This despite the fact Tyrone May, one of Burton’s main positional competitors, was ineligible to play for the entirety of 2019 and the first eight matches of 2020.

You want to hold on to your best players? The way I see it, there are two options.

You either pay them commensurate money to what they will receive elsewhere or, if that’s not really on the cards, you ensure they are enjoying their football so much that they are happy to take unders and stay.

What did Penrith do? Neither.

In the midst of this year’s 17-match winning streak, the club surely understood that they had a hell of a job ahead of them in keeping their squad together and big money wasn’t going to be available for Burton.

Matt Burton

Matt Burton is on his way to the Dogs. (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

So why not give the youngster some game time in a team that was scoring tries for fun? Maybe he’d get in on the act and decide it’s worth staying and playing with your mates for a bit less.

Instead, Burton played in Rounds 3 and 4 – when Nathan Cleary was suspended over the TikTok incident – moved to the bench for Round 5, was named at 14 in Round 6 but didn’t get a run, then played one minute against Souths in Round 7 before being dropped from the 17 altogether.

He got a final game, scoring a try in a 20-minute cameo off the bench in the Panthers’ Round 20 romp over the Dogs, by which stage the club had already secured the minor premiership.

As for why he was not sighted between Rounds 7 and 20? The primary reason would be because May was back on board and was Ivan Cleary’s preferred 14 (or centre, who knows what they’re doing with that bloke).

So Burton isn’t the club’s dominant half, because they’ve got the reigning Players’ Champion in that role. And he’s not their second-choice half, because they’ve got a NSW Origin squad member in Jarome Luai there.

But he’s not even their third choice and therefore logical bench utility, because a bloke who hadn’t played footy for almost two full years was considered the better option the minute he was eligible to play again.

Panthers fans, you want to know why you lost Matt Burton? Because he hasn’t played any footy! More to the point, with three men in their early 20s established at the club, he isn’t likely to ever play in his preferred position.

As for compensation, Fletcher’s going to have to use a better argument than “we developed him from the age of 17” on a 20-year-old.

What’s more, where do we draw the line? If the Titans snare Cameron Smith for 2021, should they pay the Storm for developing him?

How many seasons of first grade is long enough to decide if you want to keep a player on your books or not and therefore do something about it?
Surely it has to be ‘use it or lose it’ and in Burton’s case, Penrith lost it. So why should his future employer be forced to pay extra for someone Penrith considers to have “the potential of playing NRL” when the Dogs clearly see Burton as ready now?

Furthermore, making another club pay to sign a young player would surely be considered a restraint of trade, as it hampers Burton’s ability to earn his worth – clubs would be far less willing to pay him the money he deserves if a percentage of that amount goes to a competitor.

Finally, how about Penrith decide once and for all whether they’re going to crow or complain about their juniors.

Credit where credit is due, the Panthers have done an outstanding job creating development pathways, as evidenced by the fact their 2020 grand final team consisted of 13 players who had never featured in first grade for another club.

But while their development systems are said to be the bees’ knees, they’ve also got a bit of a John West situation: it’s the players Penrith reject…
See, they make a big song and dance about the work they do in developing talent all over the state, but that also means they have access to talent all over the state.

According to the club’s website, “Penrith District Junior Rugby League consists of 24 clubs and over 9500 registered players.”

They also lay claim to a significant chunk of the 99 junior and senior clubs that are part of the Western Region Rams program.

“We have so many clubs to look after,” is a fair whinge, but only if you don’t then turn around and boast, “We’ve got so many Penrith-developed juniors in our first-grade team.”

You can have one, you don’t get both.

And you definitely don’t get to ask for financial compensation when one of your close-to 10,000 local juniors ends up at a different club if the circumstances leading to his departure were that you didn’t pay him or play him.

Brian To'o

Brian To’o celebrates with his Penrith teammates. (Photo by Jason McCawley/Getty Images)

Matt Burton just ended up being a good headache to have: a potential rep player who you can’t keep because of all the current rep players you’ve got.

At the end of the day, maybe all clubs should chip in an equal amount to a development fund or perhaps the annual grant should be decreased to finance it.

But if we centralize talent development, we have to centralize talent distribution, and all of a sudden Penrith’s 13 juniors in a grand final team will be a thing of the past – as will, I suspect, Penrith actually making a grand final.

Ultimately, just because this is a tough topic to solve, doesn’t mean we should stop trying.

However, Penrith would do well to pick their battles when it comes to the issue of developing talent – as with the battle for players’ signatures, you can’t win them all.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/12/...-with-six-games-to-his-name/#comments-section
 

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I feel like panthers would value a roster spot, and transfer fee, but they are also playing games trying to toy with our preseason so they won’t release him until maybe into the next season if at all.
You know that’s crossed my mind as well. They will probably release him mid year just before June 30 deadline.
 

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Penrith's 2020 season reminded me a lot of our 2012 season where a lot of things went right and things just fell into place but they failed to cash in the GF. I doubt they reach that height again next year.
The common denominator in each of those years was the fkn Melbourne Storm
 

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Yeah it’s going to be interesting who we play at 5/8 then. I’m pretty certain Avo will get a run at fullback.
I honestly think it’s a position that will suit him best. I never want to see that kid stuck to one side of the field. I’d rather see him floating around sniffing for an offload, chiming into the back line on both sides of the field when something is on. He’s also got a good pass on him and has some good short attacking kicks. He’d only have to work on his cover defense and work on talking on the field. He can really become a long term fullback for our club which will obviously solve the fullback problem. 5/8th will be the problem if Burton doesn’t come early. But our entire spine I’m sure will be sorted by 2022. Surely we’ll land a decent 9 for 2022 and beyond.
 

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I think penrith are shitting themselves over crichton and leinu being on the market and probably getting offers they can't get too close to, hence their in no hurry to cave on early release for burton. They won't want to send the message that if others walk they will release for 21. Complicated by us probably going hard for crichton as potential fb, lots of moves still to come.
 

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Penrith want compensation for a fourth-choice half with six games to his name


Penrith are set to lose a player they saw fit for six first-grade matches over the past two seasons. And they are furious about it.
Last week, the Bulldogs signed Matt Burton and the Panthers reckon they should be compensated for the time they put in developing the young man.

“It’s disappointing for our fans when we’ve brought [Burton] up from 17 years of age and had coaches coaching him to get his skills where they are, and to have him snatched out of your hands and get no reward for the efforts we’ve put in to promoting the game [is hard to take],” Panthers CEO Brian Fletcher was quoted as saying in the Sydney Morning Herald.

“There’s something wrong with the system. It doesn’t encourage anybody to have a pathway system and development system like we’ve got.
“Why would you have one when they get to the potential of playing NRL, someone comes and grabs them?”
As for a workaround, Fletcher told Nine in a separate interview, “If he’s paid X amount of dollars to go there, part of that to the first year should go back to the club that developed him.”

It’s an issue worthy of discussion and one that the league has not paid sufficient respect to over the years.
But my question is: why should another club pay you for developing a guy you only consider worthy of your reserves?

My headline is admittedly facetious because Burton is considered up there with the best emerging talent in the NRL.
But it’s still the case that since making his debut for the Riff in August 2019, he’s played a total of six games.

This despite the fact Tyrone May, one of Burton’s main positional competitors, was ineligible to play for the entirety of 2019 and the first eight matches of 2020.

You want to hold on to your best players? The way I see it, there are two options.

You either pay them commensurate money to what they will receive elsewhere or, if that’s not really on the cards, you ensure they are enjoying their football so much that they are happy to take unders and stay.

What did Penrith do? Neither.

In the midst of this year’s 17-match winning streak, the club surely understood that they had a hell of a job ahead of them in keeping their squad together and big money wasn’t going to be available for Burton.

Matt Burton

Matt Burton is on his way to the Dogs. (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

So why not give the youngster some game time in a team that was scoring tries for fun? Maybe he’d get in on the act and decide it’s worth staying and playing with your mates for a bit less.

Instead, Burton played in Rounds 3 and 4 – when Nathan Cleary was suspended over the TikTok incident – moved to the bench for Round 5, was named at 14 in Round 6 but didn’t get a run, then played one minute against Souths in Round 7 before being dropped from the 17 altogether.

He got a final game, scoring a try in a 20-minute cameo off the bench in the Panthers’ Round 20 romp over the Dogs, by which stage the club had already secured the minor premiership.

As for why he was not sighted between Rounds 7 and 20? The primary reason would be because May was back on board and was Ivan Cleary’s preferred 14 (or centre, who knows what they’re doing with that bloke).

So Burton isn’t the club’s dominant half, because they’ve got the reigning Players’ Champion in that role. And he’s not their second-choice half, because they’ve got a NSW Origin squad member in Jarome Luai there.

But he’s not even their third choice and therefore logical bench utility, because a bloke who hadn’t played footy for almost two full years was considered the better option the minute he was eligible to play again.

Panthers fans, you want to know why you lost Matt Burton? Because he hasn’t played any footy! More to the point, with three men in their early 20s established at the club, he isn’t likely to ever play in his preferred position.

As for compensation, Fletcher’s going to have to use a better argument than “we developed him from the age of 17” on a 20-year-old.

What’s more, where do we draw the line? If the Titans snare Cameron Smith for 2021, should they pay the Storm for developing him?

How many seasons of first grade is long enough to decide if you want to keep a player on your books or not and therefore do something about it?
Surely it has to be ‘use it or lose it’ and in Burton’s case, Penrith lost it. So why should his future employer be forced to pay extra for someone Penrith considers to have “the potential of playing NRL” when the Dogs clearly see Burton as ready now?

Furthermore, making another club pay to sign a young player would surely be considered a restraint of trade, as it hampers Burton’s ability to earn his worth – clubs would be far less willing to pay him the money he deserves if a percentage of that amount goes to a competitor.

Finally, how about Penrith decide once and for all whether they’re going to crow or complain about their juniors.

Credit where credit is due, the Panthers have done an outstanding job creating development pathways, as evidenced by the fact their 2020 grand final team consisted of 13 players who had never featured in first grade for another club.

But while their development systems are said to be the bees’ knees, they’ve also got a bit of a John West situation: it’s the players Penrith reject…
See, they make a big song and dance about the work they do in developing talent all over the state, but that also means they have access to talent all over the state.

According to the club’s website, “Penrith District Junior Rugby League consists of 24 clubs and over 9500 registered players.”

They also lay claim to a significant chunk of the 99 junior and senior clubs that are part of the Western Region Rams program.

“We have so many clubs to look after,” is a fair whinge, but only if you don’t then turn around and boast, “We’ve got so many Penrith-developed juniors in our first-grade team.”

You can have one, you don’t get both.

And you definitely don’t get to ask for financial compensation when one of your close-to 10,000 local juniors ends up at a different club if the circumstances leading to his departure were that you didn’t pay him or play him.

Brian To'o'o

Brian To’o celebrates with his Penrith teammates. (Photo by Jason McCawley/Getty Images)

Matt Burton just ended up being a good headache to have: a potential rep player who you can’t keep because of all the current rep players you’ve got.

At the end of the day, maybe all clubs should chip in an equal amount to a development fund or perhaps the annual grant should be decreased to finance it.

But if we centralize talent development, we have to centralize talent distribution, and all of a sudden Penrith’s 13 juniors in a grand final team will be a thing of the past – as will, I suspect, Penrith actually making a grand final.

Ultimately, just because this is a tough topic to solve, doesn’t mean we should stop trying.

However, Penrith would do well to pick their battles when it comes to the issue of developing talent – as with the battle for players’ signatures, you can’t win them all.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/12/...-with-six-games-to-his-name/#comments-section
This article is spot on.

Burton's only been there 2-3 years...are Penrith offering some compensation to Burton's junior country club who developed him?

In the Comments section says Panthers only spent half a million on juniors with base of 10,000 juniors!

What a complete leg up advantage they have over other teams.
 
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