Opinion Josh Addo-Carr vs Xavier Coates: Who will have a better first season at their new club?

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The Canterbury Bulldogs have undertaken an aggressive recruitment drive the likes of which it's hard to remember ever happening.

They've brought in big-name, powerful forwards, a superstar in the making in the halves, and some major weapons in the outside backs.

In 2021 the Dogs were difficult to watch. They scored only 340 points across the entire season. This was 88 points shy of the next leanest return.

In Josh Addo-Carr, the Dogs have recruited a proven try-scorer who can bust the line open from anywhere on the park.


Craig Bellamy was quick to replace him by adding young Xavier Coates in what looks a like-for-like swap.

This prompted me to ask; who will have the better season next year?

On the surface this looks as though it's the easiest in this series to declare. Josh Addo-Carr has played a big role in success both at club, state and international levels, has scored 100 tries at NRL level and is widely considered the fastest man in Rugby League.

Easy. Right?

I strongly disagree because of two factors. The first, and most important being the Craig Bellamy factor, and secondly I think it's fair to suggest that while the Storm are in "win now" mode, the Bulldogs are not.

Let us know below who you believe will have the better first season at their new club.

Josh Addo-Carr
What more can be said about Josh Addo-Carr that hasn't been said already?
He's been one of the top two or three wingers in the world for the past few seasons.
He's the first winger picked at Origin and international level. Some refer to him as "the fastest man alive".
The Fox is a massive signing for the Dogs. Not only is he is he a try-scorer, but he creates opportunities with his speed, footwork and agility. You blink and he's gone.

With the greatest of respects to the Dogs, they haven't had a winger in the same hemisphere of talent as Addo-Carr for many seasons.
He will slot straight in, as a senior player, and you have to imagine he'll be charged with kick returns wherever possible.
His speed and power ensure sets start on the front foot. He and Matt Duftyshould wrack up plenty of kick return metres in 2022.
Most importantly though he is the polished finisher that the Dogs have lacked for many, many, many (deep breathe), many years.
It's hard to see anyone else pushing him for the honour of his club's top try-scorer in 2022.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the Fox fly down the wing in the blue and white.

Xavier Coates
Craig Bellamy always finds a way.

He's lost literally millions of dollars with of talent over the years due to salary cap issues, positional switches or those wanting to play closer to home.

Losing a player of Addo-Carr's pedigree would be a massive blow for most sides and most coaches, but not the Storm and Craig Bellamy.

Bellamy went out and handpicked his replacement. The six-foot four flyer who's potentially was being squandered in the Broncos set up; Xavier Coates.

Coates has all the raw talent to be a special player. I almost didn't want Coates to end up in Melbourne as he's just another outside back who will reach new heights under Bellamy

Think Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Justin Olam. Two fringe reserve graders and a raw talent turned into stars.

Jahrome Hughes was a third-string fullback before Bellamy turned him into one of the game's elite halfbacks. Papenhuyzen was a reserve grader, Addo-Carr too.

You'd be far braver than I am to suggest Bellamy won't be able to take a super talent, with Origin experience, and ensure he fulfils his potential.

Coates won't look back upon his 2021 season fondly, although Payne Haasaside, there aren't too many Broncos who will.

He's fallen into the literal perfect position under the game's best and most consistent setup. Given his size, speed and ability to find the line, I am equal parts excited and scared to see what he produces.

Verdict
I have no doubt in the world that Coates will have a monster 2022. He has literal unlimited potential.

That said, all the potential in the world isn't enough to look past Addo-Carr's achievements, experience and talents.

Coates may score more tries given the ridiculous talent in his supporting cast, but Addo-Carr is going to take on a leadership role and I see that taking him to another level.

His arrival in Belmore has Dogs fans excited, and for good reason. I expect to see his workload rise and his continuation as the game's elite winger.
 

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I think josh ado Carr is going to give the bulldogs that element the Ben barba did.
Josh is a positivity livewire and his energy will be like a brush fire over the whole team.
If burton and averilo can develop long passes between them and spread the ball
We can definitely cause some damage out wide especially with pangai and hetheringtion
Out wide...........all aboard exciting times in 2022
 

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It might not happen overnight but it will happen.

It's the best news us Dogs fans have had for many years...the real promise of a bright future overseen by very competent hands.

Bumpy ride for sure on the way up but "to infinity and beyond" :grinning:
 

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They lost me at referring to Brenko Lee (moved on from Storm to Broncos 2022 > ) as a "star". Played 14 games for the Storm, then spent 2021 either injured or playing Q Cup.

Maybe it's just me, but I see Coates as quite overrated. He is only really young though (20) so heaps of room in his career to reach his potential.
 

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Fox is a finisher, putting him into space is the key.
This.
Whether its a smart early tackle kick, long cut-out pass or his inside centre creating space, we must play to his strengths.

Dont under-estimate how well Justin Olam was for Foxx. Not sure if we have the type of centres needed to take full advantage.

There is a temptation in my mind to play Burton in centres wth Avo at 6 and Wakes at 7, or swap Avo into centres and Burton at 6.

Im sure TBaz will likely start with a Schoup-Naden centre pairing but if its not giving JAC his opportunities, may have to reconsider.
 

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They lost me at referring to Brenko Lee (moved on from Storm to Broncos 2022 > ) as a "star". Played 14 games for the Storm, then spent 2021 either injured or playing Q Cup.

Maybe it's just me, but I see Coates as quite overrated. He is only really young though (20) so heaps of room in his career to reach his potential.
You under-estimate the quality of a good centre that can set up his outside winger.

Lee and Olam are.
R Smith and JMoz were not.
 

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There is a temptation in my mind to play Burton in centres wth Avo at 6 and Wakes at 7.
Never ever going to happen. On what planet would Baz or Gus play Burton at centre? What a complete waste that would be. There is a greater chance of Nasheed becoming the next prime minster than seeing our gun 6 play in the centres
 

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It might not happen overnight but it will happen.

It's the best news us Dogs fans have had for many years...the real promise of a bright future overseen by very competent hands.

Bumpy ride for sure on the way up but "to infinity and beyond" :grinning:
TO GO WHERE NO BULLDOG HAS GONE BEFORE.....WELL NOT FOR 17 YEARS AT LEAST.
 

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Coates needs to grow some hands to be any comparison to Josh. He can fly high for bombs but rarely catches them. Other than that aerial ability JAC is better. I'd be worried signing Coates as handling is one thing that players often struggle to improve a lot. Sure there are drills etc. players do to improve this skill, but you often see the same players plagued by poor handling throughout their careers.
 

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I can't wait to see JAC create a try out of nothing by running around defenders in our own half. No other winger in the comp has the ability to do that on a consistent basis..
 

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I can't wait to see JAC create a try out of nothing by running around defenders in our own half. No other winger in the comp has the ability to do that on a consistent basis..
could argue that saab is faster than JAC. Nofa is deceptively quick too (not as fast but very close)
 

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Coates has got to be one of the worst overrated players in the nrl. Cant defend, has hands for feet, and iq is extremely poor. Im from qld so i support qld and he and kyle felt were the main reasons we sucked out on the edges. I will admit he is fast and had all the physical attributes but for now and in previous seasons i find it very overhyped for his ability and is only rated for his ‘potential’
 

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Who sets up the centre ???
Thats the difference.
There are centres that need to be setup, and there are centres that you just pass the ball to and they create. Either through a jink and step, through power, through flick or in-tackle pass, through angled runs or through speed.

Basically your centre has to have good hands or otherwise have brute strength to bust tackles and find the winger.

Latrell is your tackle busting type but also has ability to pass in tackles or flick pass. Inglis was same. Willie Talau, Meninga, Brenko Lee, Israel Folau, Conrad Hurrell, Matai all the same tackle busting type.

Vagana, SKD and a bunch of others were the jink and step type of centres.

Would be interesting to see how our guys go this year. Schoup seems the tackle busting type so hopefully he can develop that part of his game. Naden seems the jink and step kinda centre.
 

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could argue that saab is faster than JAC. Nofa is deceptively quick too (not as fast but very close)
Yes they are fast but JAC has the better IQ, he knows how to use his pace way better than any of the wingers who are blessed with pace. Ive seen him countless times taking off down the sidelines than decelerate to cut back in to beat cover defenders then accelerate again to score and he makes it look easy. Another player who i remember could do that was Barba..
 

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Of course, our "death riders" and "Haters" and other non-performing experts on the forum will say JAC will be shit and not as good as when he was at the storm coached by Bellamy...
 

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Thats the difference.
There are centres that need to be setup, and there are centres that you just pass the ball to and they create. Either through a jink and step, through power, through flick or in-tackle pass, through angled runs or through speed.

Basically your centre has to have good hands or otherwise have brute strength to bust tackles and find the winger.

Latrell is your tackle busting type but also has ability to pass in tackles or flick pass. Inglis was same. Willie Talau, Meninga, Brenko Lee, Israel Folau, Conrad Hurrell, Matai all the same tackle busting type.

Vagana, SKD and a bunch of others were the jink and step type of centres.

Would be interesting to see how our guys go this year. Schoup seems the tackle busting type so hopefully he can develop that part of his game. Naden seems the jink and step kinda centre.
brenko Lee? Lol
You serious
 
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