Opinion Jake Averillo

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I know, it amazes me that guys like Pay and Georgalis actually got to coach first grade. That speaks volumes for where we are at as a club. These 2 clowns have set us back 2 years.
3 years really. The whole exercise has been an abomination of failure in every facet of coaching sorry to say.

But I do believe the roster is sub standard and the Board, Chris Anderson or Price was interfering. Probably due to the fact that they also had no faith in Pay and they are still telling SG who to pick now.
 

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SG said in the presser he sent out several messages to Avo to get more involved.

Then he sent Wakeham out. I guess even SG could see that he'd have to actually put some thought into his coaching and gameplan.

Geez we've been badly let down by Pay and Georgalis.
Agreed, i have said before that I feel our players have been let down badly by the lack of coaching over the past couple of years. Even non-skill attributes such as strength and conditioning I think we are way behind the pack which puts us at a disadvantage from the outset. Just have at look at Penrith last night how they move off their line in defence compared to how we just wait for the ball runner to hit our line. No wonder the opposition just roll through our forwards and easily make a heap of metres each set of six. Surely any coach worth his salt identifies the problem and fixes it

And whilst we all slag off the players (and deservedly so) for crap performances that we don't think are up to first grade standard, it just makes me wonder how much professional coaching these players have been given. JMK as an example. Never played hooker before, was always a half. Thrown into the hooker role and does have some attributes that are needed as a hooker such as toughness, defensive technique, speed etc but as for vision, distribution from dummy half, game management, kicking etc etc he is lacking. Wouldn't a coach think ok, I'm throwing this guy into one of the toughest positions on the field who has never played there before, let's get him some specialised coaching. Bring in a Mick Ennis, Robbie Farah, or whoever to really coach the intricacies of the position into him. Who knows , maybe just maybe if JMK had this type of specialised coaching for the past 2 seasons he may have developed and grown into the role and we mightn't be desperately looking for another hooker, but unfortunately where we stand at this moment, JMK just isn't good enough for us.

I really think this lack of coaching will be corrected next year with TBaz . I have a good feeling that our new look coaching staff will give the entire playing squad every opportunity to improve and grow as players
 

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Agreed, i have said before that I feel our players have been let down badly by the lack of coaching over the past couple of years. Even non-skill attributes such as strength and conditioning I think we are way behind the pack which puts us at a disadvantage from the outset. Just have at look at Penrith last night how they move off their line in defence compared to how we just wait for the ball runner to hit our line. No wonder the opposition just roll through our forwards and easily make a heap of metres each set of six. Surely any coach worth his salt identifies the problem and fixes it

And whilst we all slag off the players (and deservedly so) for crap performances that we don't think are up to first grade standard, it just makes me wonder how much professional coaching these players have been given. JMK as an example. Never played hooker before, was always a half. Thrown into the hooker role and does have some attributes that are needed as a hooker such as toughness, defensive technique, speed etc but as for vision, distribution from dummy half, game management, kicking etc etc he is lacking. Wouldn't a coach think ok, I'm throwing this guy into one of the toughest positions on the field who has never played there before, let's get him some specialised coaching. Bring in a Mick Ennis, Robbie Farah, or whoever to really coach the intricacies of the position into him. Who knows , maybe just maybe if JMK had this type of specialised coaching for the past 2 seasons he may have developed and grown into the role and we mightn't be desperately looking for another hooker, but unfortunately where we stand at this moment, JMK just isn't good enough for us.

I really think this lack of coaching will be corrected next year with TBaz . I have a good feeling that our new look coaching staff will give the entire playing squad every opportunity to improve and grow as players
Good post. Yes we have been behind the 8 ball in so many areas.

I think our problem, whilst fitness is an issue for sure, its equally as evident that we dont have the physicality either. Our players (generally) are smaller, shorter and not as agile or good on their feet.

Our playing roster is 90's as well. We are so far behind and slow that they have to stand back and hold bc they cant match the opposition when up in their faces.

Compared to Panthers last night....oh my Lord :grinning:
 

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Good post. Yes we have been behind the 8 ball in so many areas.

I think our problem, whilst fitness is an issue for sure, its equally as evident that we dont have the physicality either. Our players (generally) are smaller, shorter and not as agile or good on their feet.

Our playing roster is 90's as well. We are so far behind and slow that they have to stand back and hold bc they cant match the opposition when up in their faces.

Compared to Panthers last night....oh my Lord :grinning:
Haha yep no comparison to the Panthers :grinning:

The good thing is that Trent Barrett is currently seeing all the components that go into a team leading the comp (and possible premiers) and will know what it takes and I'm sure he won't put up with or accept the mediocrity and weak mentality the we unfortunately have

The pre season can't come fast enough for me:grinning:
 

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Lol turn it up. All this shit has happened under the boards watch, twist it as much as you want.
Zac Lomax asked for a release as well bc he wasnt getting picked. Lucky Dragons didnt fold and release their player like we did. They chose to pick the guy and look how thats gone this season.

Our management never learn.
 

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Yes but why is the alternative mate? Sub par squad at the moment with next to no depth. Might as well give the young fellas a run.
Sure; but let's not them dump on them because they weren't superstars from the opening whistle.
 

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People don't forget Nathan Cleary debuted at 19 in 2016. Thats 4 years to get to this level. He played SOO at 21.

Ok Jake may not be thaaat talented but a lot depends on his development with decent coaching and mentoring.

Thank heavens Pay got shown the door.

At least our best junior for a long long time will get a fighting chance, at the very least, to excel with Barrett.
People were hating on Cleary not that long ago. Young players need time to develop and need to be allowed to make mistakes and take chances in the field. This season would have been more tolerable if he had given opportunities to more youngsters
 

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Good post. Yes we have been behind the 8 ball in so many areas.

I think our problem, whilst fitness is an issue for sure, its equally as evident that we dont have the physicality either. Our players (generally) are smaller, shorter and not as agile or good on their feet.

Our playing roster is 90's as well. We are so far behind and slow that they have to stand back and hold bc they cant match the opposition when up in their faces.

Compared to Panthers last night....oh my Lord :grinning:
100% write. Look at other teams packs. No short back row as a example in back row. The game has changed we have stayed same.
 
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People need to get the fuck over halves needing to be good defenders.. Maloney was one of the worse the defenders in the comp, regularly topping the missed tackles count every year. But he was also one of the best halves in the comp for over a decade and the success of his teams proves it..
i miss the old school footy where the fowards were tough and looked after the halves so they could do what they do best.
players like lockyer for eg, were pretty weak defenders but their team mates had their backs.
our fowards should be doing more to support young guys like jake
 

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i miss the old school footy where the fowards were tough and looked after the halves so they could do what they do best.
players like lockyer for eg, were pretty weak defenders but their team mates had their backs.
our fowards should be doing more to support young guys like jake
Absolutely. If you fucked with Lockyer you had to deal with Tonie Carroll. Jake needs a bodyguard too
 

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Averillo, I think will develop but unfortunately that would normally occur in a team with good players around him. I don't think this can happen at our club. Timing and location can make or brake a new promising player. I believe that is what happened to Liccha. If he was at a team like the Roosters he would be a house hold name now instead he is gone. Unless things change in our Roster and Barrett performs some miracles players like he and Wakeham will end up being park footballers. Imagine what may have happened to Cooper Cronk if he was starting out in team 2 years ago.
 

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Twist what - facts?
You’re the SuperCoach with all the answers, you should know that the coach heads the footy department under the Head of Football (ie: reports to Price). The board do not get involved in week to week selections, but they do get involved when a player such as Harper requests a release and has to be replaced. Blame Price, blame Pay, blame SG, blame Antonelli - but it’s not on the board.
But are the board not responsible for hiring these idiots. So yeah it is the boards fault
 

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But are the board not responsible for hiring these idiots. So yeah it is the boards fault
Coaches? Head coach yes, his staff, no.
That’s why Antonelli followed Pay out the door and why Barrett said he didn’t want SG on his staff for next year. As usual I’m struggling to see your point...
 

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Same point
Coaches? Head coach yes, his staff, no.
That’s why Antonelli followed Pay out the door and why Barrett said he didn’t want SG on his staff for next year. As usual I’m struggling to see your point...
same point i always make. Everything starts from the top and at some point someone is going to have to take some responsibility. This board extended pay, yet u say its only his fault. How are the people that decided he was best for the job not held accountable in any way ?
So after 10 more fucked coaches it still wont be your mother's fault will it ben.
U would run your bissiness the complete opposite i run mine.
Lyn could be selling and dealing coke in the millions and u would try and deflect the warranted attention she desrves.
Cant u see everyone elses point that its the board hiring these idiots so they must not have any idea themselves.
There big red flags in my world.
But not kennel world lol, losing and mediocracy is a priority so stick with lyn, dunn and hill u blind people.
 

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Same point. same point i always make.
None? Well nothing I can make sense of anyway.
At some point someone is going to have to take some responsibility.
When have they not? Their story since election has NEVER changed. You just can't comprehend that.
This board extended pay, yet u say its only his fault.
I do? This coming from the bloke who openly backed Pay and said 'he'd surprise a lot of people'. You're not high on credibility stakes, sorry.
How are the people that decided he was best for the job not held accountable in any way?
They were - and they lost control of the footy club in 2018. Those that extended him for one year were re-elected in February 2020.
So after 10 more fucked coaches it still wont be your mother's fault will it ben.
I’m not Ben Anderson. Lame comedy attempt. And what a ridiculous comment re: '10 more coaches'.
U would run your bissiness the complete opposite i run mine.
That much we can agree. I prefer to run a business though, not a bissiness :-).
Lyn could be selling and dealing coke in the millions and u would try and deflect the warranted attention she desrves.
Huh? You're that bad at making a point your reference is drug dealing? Seriously?
Cant u see everyone elses point that its the board hiring these idiots so they must not have any idea themselves.
Everyone? No. Some? Yes. Mostly those who don't listen to what they said when they were elected. Count yourself among those people...
There big red flags in my world.
Fair enough. You bark as loud as you'd like on an internet forum bud. It changes nothing. You've been told before the best way to deal with your gripes is to become a member and have a say. I'll bet you haven't. Oh well.
But not kennel world lol, losing and mediocracy is a priority so stick with lyn, dunn and hill u blind people.
Sure. Give it a rest champ.
 
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Avarillo made some very good front on tackles, but missed few others. Combination of fatigue, technique & lack of 1st grade experience. In the off season, hopefully coaching staff will work on improving his technique & bulking up. But he is a real footballer with heaps of promise. We are coming last, this is the perfect time to keep him at 5/8 & get more experience that will be invaluable for next season.
I remember Benji being a liability in defence in his first few years & was rightfully targeted by other teams. Just like avarillo will be. He will get better in defence just will take some investment of time & good coaching
Agree,
People expect too much of Avo at this stage.
He missed a couple but made a few good ones including an ankle tap that stopped another long break.
How many full games has he played in his preferred position? Actually 1.
How much support on Friday from his forwards. None.
Any one knock Keary, Benji, a half dozen other halves for their defence? No.
We are the wooden spooners and guys are jumping on one breath of fresh air we have had this year. FFS
 
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