News Jack De Bellend Megathread

[Malla]

There's 5 charges i think, so it might be a matter of guilty for some and not for others.

Yeah you are probably right.

His NRL career is ovvvvver cya flog

 

[Philmus]

There's 5 charges i think, so it might be a matter of guilty for some and not for others.

What happens if the jury cant decide again? Another retrial?

 

[JayBee]

What happens if the jury cant decide again? Another retrial?

More than likely will not go a 3rd time round.

They would need substantial amount of new evidence to warrant it, or some exceptional circumstance to proceed. Not unheard of, but generally uncommon.

Prosecution will probably drop the charges.

 

[wendog33]

Yeah you are probably right.

His NRL career is ovvvvver cya flog

Players keep getting paid if still under investigation. Fair enough. He was on $550k some one said so Dragons have paid for 2? years with no return.

What happens, if he is found guilty, to their club?

Does he have to repay the money handed out for his services? If not, the Dragons are penalised pretty bad for players stuffing up.

Its a bit stiff for the club if their player is found guilty and they've had to pay them to stand down all this time. Then they head off to jail or banned from playing on detention.

Needs to be looked at.

 

[Malla]

Players keep getting paid if still under investigation. He was on $550k some one said so Dragons have paid for 2? years with no return.

What happens, if he is found guilty, to their club?

Does he have to repay the money handed out for his services?

Its a bit stiff for the club if their player is found guilty and they've had to pay them to stand down all this time. Then they head off to jail or banned from playing on detention.

Needs to be looked at.

I think it was up to Dragons at that point, they could have terminated his contract at the time but they stuck with him.

You see plenty of cases where players get caught up with the law and their contracts terminated.

 

[CroydonDog]

Players keep getting paid if still under investigation. He was on $550k some one said so Dragons have paid for 2? years with no return.

What happens, if he is found guilty, to their club?

Does he have to repay the money handed out for his services?

Its a bit stiff for the club if their player is found guilty and they've had to pay them to stand down all this time. Then they head off to jail or banned from playing on detention.

Needs to be looked at.

Do they at least get some sort of cap relief?

 

[wendog33]

Do they at least get some sort of cap relief?

Not sure.

But doesnt seem right that (if he is found guilty) Dragons have to pay for his holiday and his mistake.

Not sure what could be fair tho.

 

[CroydonDog]

Not sure.

But doesnt seem right that (if he is found guilty) Dragons have to pay for his holiday and his mistake.

Not sure what could be fair tho.

I guess flip-side if he is innocent, and he misses out on income (not to mention his career irrecoverably damaged).

I don't necessarily disagree with standing down players charged with serious crimes, but these trials can take years.

 

[wendog33]

I guess flip-side if he is innocent, and he misses out on income (not to mention his career irrecoverably damaged).

I don't necessarily disagree with standing down players charged with serious crimes, but these trials can take years.

Yeah its a hard one.
Not suggesting he be penalised out of hand.
Unless convicted he is entitled to be paid for sure.

I'm just looking from Saints pov if he is convicted as regards they get lumped with paying a crim thru no fault of their own.

But it was said by Malla they could have stood him down without pay, and chose not too.

I don't think he will be convicted but in future this problem for clubs paying guys should prob come out of insurance and not in the cap?

 

[JayBee]

Players keep getting paid if still under investigation. Fair enough. He was on $550k some one said so Dragons have paid for 2? years with no return.

What happens, if he is found guilty, to their club?

Does he have to repay the money handed out for his services? If not, the Dragons are penalised pretty bad for players stuffing up.

Its a bit stiff for the club if their player is found guilty and they've had to pay them to stand down all this time. Then they head off to jail or banned from playing on detention.

Needs to be looked at.

Not really

The club took the risk of keeping him on their books AND re-signing him.

Any other club could of taken the risk (although let's be honest - no one would of taken that chance on him given the current climate of guilty until proven innocent).

*edit* - and yes, there no-fault stand down cap relief

 

[Cook]

I call innocent and sign him up Baz. Great player, fix our defensive issues. Imaging him and cheese chopping blokes in half

 

[Bulldog Wrestler]

"The jury in the Jack De Belin, Callan Sinclair rape trial has been sent home for the day. Deliberations to resume on Wednesday."
-Kelly Fedor (9 News, Court Reporter)

 

[BDPScarface]

There's 5 charges i think, so it might be a matter of guilty for some and not for others.

I imagine they are the same 5 charges as original trial though? Didn't the jury decide pretty quickly in that trial that they weren't going to arrive at a majority decision... isn't it an all or nothing on that as well? As in, they have to agree an outcome on each charge... it would seem logical to me.

 

[KambahOne]

Isn't it the longer they take the more it leans to acquittal? The last trial ended on a re-trail, can the judge order them to come to a verdict?

 

[Gene Krupa]

What happens if the jury cant decide again? Another retrial?

Doubt it, if there have been two trials with hung juries it is only in exceptional circumstances that there will be a third retrial.

 

[blue & white blood]

What happens if the jury cant decide again? Another retrial?

Gee I hope there's some Bulldog supporters on the jury panel, then they can find guilty and give him at least two weeks

 

[Philmus]

Gee I hope there's some Bulldog supporters on the jury panel, then they can find guilty and give him at least two weeks

it’s only 1 week with an early guilty plea i hear

 

[Philmus]

how many s’s in innocent?

 

[BDPScarface]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1389821353214189568

(thanks @Bulldog Wrestler)

Honestly... just call it a mistrial and be over with it. It has obviously come down to not enough circumstantial evidence either way, and now it is just he said/she said. That's the only way you can explain an original jury that gave up quite early, and now a jury that is unable to bridge differences of opinion.

I'm certain the judge will intervene tomorrow, to get the jury some assistance. Tomorrow will have to be the day.

 

[BDPScarface]

Kelly Fedor

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After three days of deliberations the jury in the Jack #DeBelin & Callan Sinclair rape trial has sent their first note asking for a copy of the Judge’s directions.
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