Indigenous voice to parliament

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speedy2460

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I think theres seven elected Indigenous people in Parliament now. What is being achieved by having more?
He should not tamper with the Constitution. If he wants advice, he should form a committee.
 

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About time. ABC are an absolute joke. All a bunch of female activist journos and reporters.
I’m sick of funding these biased morons
 

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Aren’t indigenous politicians a voice to parliament though? I still just can’t see how this changes anything. Indigenous people DO NOT want to likes of Noel Pearson telling us what we want
In a sense they are, but they are usually hamstrung by being in a political party and have to toe the party line. This voice will be independent of party politics and will be able to advise whatever party is in government at the time.
 

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In a sense they are, but they are usually hamstrung by being in a political party and have to toe the party line. This voice will be independent of party politics and will be able to advise whatever party is in government at the time.
That’s true. I can see the voice being heard much more with our current yes man PM but think the voice will be ignored more when he’s given the flick. I guess it depends how he integrates it into parliament
 

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33.3% + 45.6% + 26.3% = 105.2%
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This won’t come as a shock to anyone apart from the delusional people that think the ABC isn’t extremely biased. The reporter didn’t even enter the meeting but reported on the contents of it hahahaha


The ABC’s reporting on the Alice Springs crime wave was biased and inaccurate according to the outlet’s own media watchdog, after the public broadcaster suggested hundreds of residents who attended a town meeting last month were “white supremacists”.

More than 3000 residents attended the Save Alice Springs meeting late last month to discuss the crime wave affecting their town, with the gathering reportedly lasting around 20 minutes.

Now, the newly created ABC Ombudsman’s Office has found a controversial ABC Radio segment covering the meeting – which was slammed by residents and politicians alike – breached standards of impartiality and accuracy by presenting the event as “white supremacy” in action.


In the segment in question, the ABC’s Indigenous Affairs correspondent Carly Williams interviewed attendees standing outside, with one woman describing the event as a “total white supremacist fest” with a “scary” vibe.

Around 3000 residents attended the Save Alice Springs meeting last month – and the ABC characterised them as white supremacists. Picture: Facebook

Another man also threatened violence against Indigenous people in a sickening spray, using racist language while speaking with the ABC – however, no examples of racism from inside the meeting were broadcast, leading to accusations of bias.

Alice Springs mayor Matt Paterson demanded an apology over the coverage, and the ABC was threatened with an investigation after a Senator made a formal complaint.

“The report presented one critical perspective on the event, that it was racist, without identifying the range of other concerns and issues expressed by attendees,” ABC Ombudsman Fiona Cameron found on Monday, in her first ever report.

A total of 19 complaints were filed over the coverage in just two weeks, Ms Cameron said.

The ABC initially defended its inaccurate reporting, but backflipped two days later – and just hours after, it was threatened with an official investigation.
“We acknowledge that one report on AM was incomplete, and did not adequately cover the full context of the meeting or the range of perspectives expressed at it,” the ABC said on February 3.

“ABC News apologises to audiences for providing an incomplete picture of the event in this instance.”

Inaugural ABC Ombudsman Fiona Cameron had found that report breached accuracy and impartiality standards.

The public broadcaster has now issued yet another apology in response to the Ombudsman’s findings.

“ABC News acknowledges that this story was incomplete when broadcast. It ought to have included further perspectives and context concerning the meeting,” the latest apology read.

“Over the course of the day, ABC News and ABC Regional & Local presented additional perspectives and information in later reports.

“ABC News management takes responsibility for the AM story going to air in that form and stands by the reporter, who provided important perspectives on complicated issues …

“After reviewing the story and the actions leading up to its broadcast, it became clear that logistical and editorial management breakdowns had contributed to an incomplete report being aired, and ABC News apologised to audiences for that …

“News and Regional divisions have now adequately resolved the valid issues raised by complainants concerning the AM story.”


The ABC initially defended its reporting, but has since been forced to apologise.

Ms Cameron also noted the ABC incorrectly claimed the meeting had been attended by “hundreds” of people, when it fact it had been attended by thousands.

Given the population of Alice Springs is approximately 32,500, Ms Cameron found the under-reported figure “represents a materially different proportion of the population than attendance in the hundreds”.

Ms Cameron acknowledged that subsequent reporting on the meeting on the ABC offered broader perspectives – but said that fact “does not mitigate the AM report unduly favouring one perspective”.

She delivered two findings: that the broadcast breached impartiality standard 4.5 by unduly favouring one perspective over another; and that it breached accuracy standard 2.1 by not making reasonable efforts to ensure that material facts were accurately presented in context
 

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This won’t come as a shock to anyone apart from the delusional people that think the ABC isn’t extremely biased. The reporter didn’t even enter the meeting but reported on the contents of it hahahaha


The ABC’s reporting on the Alice Springs crime wave was biased and inaccurate according to the outlet’s own media watchdog, after the public broadcaster suggested hundreds of residents who attended a town meeting last month were “white supremacists”.

More than 3000 residents attended the Save Alice Springs meeting late last month to discuss the crime wave affecting their town, with the gathering reportedly lasting around 20 minutes.

Now, the newly created ABC Ombudsman’s Office has found a controversial ABC Radio segment covering the meeting – which was slammed by residents and politicians alike – breached standards of impartiality and accuracy by presenting the event as “white supremacy” in action.


In the segment in question, the ABC’s Indigenous Affairs correspondent Carly Williams interviewed attendees standing outside, with one woman describing the event as a “total white supremacist fest” with a “scary” vibe.

Around 3000 residents attended the Save Alice Springs meeting last month – and the ABC characterised them as white supremacists. Picture: Facebook

Another man also threatened violence against Indigenous people in a sickening spray, using racist language while speaking with the ABC – however, no examples of racism from inside the meeting were broadcast, leading to accusations of bias.

Alice Springs mayor Matt Paterson demanded an apology over the coverage, and the ABC was threatened with an investigation after a Senator made a formal complaint.

“The report presented one critical perspective on the event, that it was racist, without identifying the range of other concerns and issues expressed by attendees,” ABC Ombudsman Fiona Cameron found on Monday, in her first ever report.

A total of 19 complaints were filed over the coverage in just two weeks, Ms Cameron said.

The ABC initially defended its inaccurate reporting, but backflipped two days later – and just hours after, it was threatened with an official investigation.
“We acknowledge that one report on AM was incomplete, and did not adequately cover the full context of the meeting or the range of perspectives expressed at it,” the ABC said on February 3.

“ABC News apologises to audiences for providing an incomplete picture of the event in this instance.”

Inaugural ABC Ombudsman Fiona Cameron had found that report breached accuracy and impartiality standards.

The public broadcaster has now issued yet another apology in response to the Ombudsman’s findings.

“ABC News acknowledges that this story was incomplete when broadcast. It ought to have included further perspectives and context concerning the meeting,” the latest apology read.

“Over the course of the day, ABC News and ABC Regional & Local presented additional perspectives and information in later reports.

“ABC News management takes responsibility for the AM story going to air in that form and stands by the reporter, who provided important perspectives on complicated issues …

“After reviewing the story and the actions leading up to its broadcast, it became clear that logistical and editorial management breakdowns had contributed to an incomplete report being aired, and ABC News apologised to audiences for that …

“News and Regional divisions have now adequately resolved the valid issues raised by complainants concerning the AM story.”


The ABC initially defended its reporting, but has since been forced to apologise.

Ms Cameron also noted the ABC incorrectly claimed the meeting had been attended by “hundreds” of people, when it fact it had been attended by thousands.

Given the population of Alice Springs is approximately 32,500, Ms Cameron found the under-reported figure “represents a materially different proportion of the population than attendance in the hundreds”.

Ms Cameron acknowledged that subsequent reporting on the meeting on the ABC offered broader perspectives – but said that fact “does not mitigate the AM report unduly favouring one perspective”.

She delivered two findings: that the broadcast breached impartiality standard 4.5 by unduly favouring one perspective over another; and that it breached accuracy standard 2.1 by not making reasonable efforts to ensure that material facts were accurately presented in context
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Having grown up in remote cape york aboriginal communities I have seen first hand the nepotism, inter tribal conflict and alcohol and substance abuse issues that destroy those communities, having representative "voice" in parliament won't make one bit of difference in those communities.
What's the answer? NFI but this won't help.
 

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Having grown up in remote cape york aboriginal communities I have seen first hand the nepotism, inter tribal conflict and alcohol and substance abuse issues that destroy those communities, having representative "voice" in parliament won't make one bit of difference in those communities.
What's the answer? NFI but this won't help.
Unfortunately mate the loudest voices are usually bleeding hearts that have never lived or regularily visited these communitys. You cannot fix a problem if you dont understand or recognize that one actually exists in the first place. I am with you with NFI how to fix it or even long term improve things, but I would start with accepting that there is a massive problem that will need the joint efforts of both aboriginal and non aboriginals, a shit load of money and time and an open mind to turn things around.

If anyone thinks that changing the Australia day date, the Flag, or a token voice in parliment will fix it then they shouldnt be anywhere the issue. Saying Sorry resolved nothing and neither did councils putting up signs tribal name for the area, it just tokenism.
 

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This won’t come as a shock to anyone apart from the delusional people that think the ABC isn’t extremely biased. The reporter didn’t even enter the meeting but reported on the contents of it hahahaha


The ABC’s reporting on the Alice Springs crime wave was biased and inaccurate according to the outlet’s own media watchdog, after the public broadcaster suggested hundreds of residents who attended a town meeting last month were “white supremacists”.

More than 3000 residents attended the Save Alice Springs meeting late last month to discuss the crime wave affecting their town, with the gathering reportedly lasting around 20 minutes.

Now, the newly created ABC Ombudsman’s Office has found a controversial ABC Radio segment covering the meeting – which was slammed by residents and politicians alike – breached standards of impartiality and accuracy by presenting the event as “white supremacy” in action.


In the segment in question, the ABC’s Indigenous Affairs correspondent Carly Williams interviewed attendees standing outside, with one woman describing the event as a “total white supremacist fest” with a “scary” vibe.

Around 3000 residents attended the Save Alice Springs meeting last month – and the ABC characterised them as white supremacists. Picture: Facebook

Another man also threatened violence against Indigenous people in a sickening spray, using racist language while speaking with the ABC – however, no examples of racism from inside the meeting were broadcast, leading to accusations of bias.

Alice Springs mayor Matt Paterson demanded an apology over the coverage, and the ABC was threatened with an investigation after a Senator made a formal complaint.

“The report presented one critical perspective on the event, that it was racist, without identifying the range of other concerns and issues expressed by attendees,” ABC Ombudsman Fiona Cameron found on Monday, in her first ever report.

A total of 19 complaints were filed over the coverage in just two weeks, Ms Cameron said.

The ABC initially defended its inaccurate reporting, but backflipped two days later – and just hours after, it was threatened with an official investigation.
“We acknowledge that one report on AM was incomplete, and did not adequately cover the full context of the meeting or the range of perspectives expressed at it,” the ABC said on February 3.

“ABC News apologises to audiences for providing an incomplete picture of the event in this instance.”

Inaugural ABC Ombudsman Fiona Cameron had found that report breached accuracy and impartiality standards.

The public broadcaster has now issued yet another apology in response to the Ombudsman’s findings.

“ABC News acknowledges that this story was incomplete when broadcast. It ought to have included further perspectives and context concerning the meeting,” the latest apology read.

“Over the course of the day, ABC News and ABC Regional & Local presented additional perspectives and information in later reports.

“ABC News management takes responsibility for the AM story going to air in that form and stands by the reporter, who provided important perspectives on complicated issues …

“After reviewing the story and the actions leading up to its broadcast, it became clear that logistical and editorial management breakdowns had contributed to an incomplete report being aired, and ABC News apologised to audiences for that …

“News and Regional divisions have now adequately resolved the valid issues raised by complainants concerning the AM story.”


The ABC initially defended its reporting, but has since been forced to apologise.

Ms Cameron also noted the ABC incorrectly claimed the meeting had been attended by “hundreds” of people, when it fact it had been attended by thousands.

Given the population of Alice Springs is approximately 32,500, Ms Cameron found the under-reported figure “represents a materially different proportion of the population than attendance in the hundreds”.

Ms Cameron acknowledged that subsequent reporting on the meeting on the ABC offered broader perspectives – but said that fact “does not mitigate the AM report unduly favouring one perspective”.

She delivered two findings: that the broadcast breached impartiality standard 4.5 by unduly favouring one perspective over another; and that it breached accuracy standard 2.1 by not making reasonable efforts to ensure that material facts were accurately presented in context
Can I add;

The reporter (Carly Williams) never went into the meeting, because she arrived late, couldn't find a parking spot and the claim was the doors were closed due to the meeting having already started. But strangely enough people were walking in and out during the meeting.

She was a fly in reporter, based in Sydney, because the ABC doesn't have an Ingenious reporter in Alice Springs.


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Unfortunately mate the loudest voices are usually bleeding hearts that have never lived or regularily visited these communitys. You cannot fix a problem if you dont understand or recognize that one actually exists in the first place. I am with you with NFI how to fix it or even long term improve things, but I would start with accepting that there is a massive problem that will need the joint efforts of both aboriginal and non aboriginals, a shit load of money and time and an open mind to turn things around.

If anyone thinks that changing the Australia day date, the Flag, or a token voice in parliment will fix it then they shouldnt be anywhere the issue. Saying Sorry resolved nothing and neither did councils putting up signs tribal name for the area, it just tokenism.
Well said both of you I agree
 

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Can I add;

The reporter (Carly Williams) never went into the meeting, because she arrived late, couldn't find a parking spot and the claim was the doors were closed due to the meeting having already started. But strangely enough people were walking in and out during the meeting.

She was a fly in reporter, based in Sydney, because the ABC doesn't have an Ingenious reporter in Alice Springs.


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Great add. So basically she was lying. It pisses me off we have to fund this shit
 

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There's more than 100 Indigenous groups that receive Government funding. Most are filled by inner city elites with their only interest being themselves. They have little interest in the people who are suffering. Drugs, alcohol, assaults, sexual assaults, etc, are common place.
The regional Indigenous people are suffering because of this, and this "voice" will not help them one bit.
 

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There's more than 100 Indigenous groups that receive Government funding. Most are filled by inner city elites with their only interest being themselves. They have little interest in the people who are suffering. Drugs, alcohol, assaults, sexual assaults, etc, are common place.
The regional Indigenous people are suffering because of this, and this "voice" will not help them one bit.
I said earlier this may help a person that has 1% aboriginal in them after they recently discovered that their great great grandfather had a date with an aboriginal in 1943 so they feel it's owed to them and deserve a brand new car, it won't help a 5 year old kid getting raped on a daily basis full of stds in a remote mission.
 

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Having grown up in remote cape york aboriginal communities I have seen first hand the nepotism, inter tribal conflict and alcohol and substance abuse issues that destroy those communities, having representative "voice" in parliament won't make one bit of difference in those communities.
What's the answer? NFI but this won't help.
Umagico?
 

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Having grown up in remote cape york aboriginal communities I have seen first hand the nepotism, inter tribal conflict and alcohol and substance abuse issues that destroy those communities, having representative "voice" in parliament won't make one bit of difference in those communities.































What's the answer? NFI but this won't help.






Not grew up but i have spent a lot of the past 10/11 years in Pilbara WA problem towns with exactly the same issues.















Also have nfi how or even IF they can fix or evendramatically improve things..it's bad and probably getting worse I found in one decent sized town, Newman in 2018/19 was worse than in 2015..doubt it would have improved in the past few years either.










Booze is a massive problem but they don't want to work or train or anything else either..
 

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Unfortunately mate the loudest voices are usually bleeding hearts that have never lived or regularily visited these communitys. You cannot fix a problem if you dont understand or recognize that one actually exists in the first place. I am with you with NFI how to fix it or even long term improve things, but I would start with accepting that there is a massive problem that will need the joint efforts of both aboriginal and non aboriginals, a shit load of money and time and an open mind to turn things around.

If anyone thinks that changing the Australia day date, the Flag, or a token voice in parliment will fix it then they shouldnt be anywhere the issue. Saying Sorry resolved nothing and neither did councils putting up signs tribal name for the area, it just tokenism.
Wouldn't a voice to parliament help foster this sense of collaboration? Nobody is arguing it will fix all the problems by itself, but it makes no sense to me to argue against an initiative which would see Indigenous people given more of a voice in terms of policy and then to say there's not enough cooperation in developing sustainable solutions.
 

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Wouldn't a voice to parliament help foster this sense of collaboration? Nobody is arguing it will fix all the problems by itself, but it makes no sense to me to argue against an initiative which would see Indigenous people given more of a voice in terms of policy and then to say there's not enough cooperation in developing sustainable solutions.
Agree mate I think redressing is different to addressing the situation.
 

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Wouldn't a voice to parliament help foster this sense of collaboration? Nobody is arguing it will fix all the problems by itself, but it makes no sense to me to argue against an initiative which would see Indigenous people given more of a voice in terms of policy and then to say there's not enough cooperation in developing sustainable solutions.
I am not arguing against it, I just dont want to see it done like a bandaid. It (the problem) needs way more than 1 token voice..
 
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