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It makes sense for Gould to say there's not much cap space yet. If he came out and said we have 1 spot and 700k, there'd be player managers looking to cash in. By saying there's not much cap it's more likely to get players at the right value.
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or you front load contracts year to year so you aren't locked into duds on overs for 3 years and you're maximising your cap space in future years. Even sign/promote min wage players. We'd be in a much better position right now/next year if we did that from 2018/19 onwards.
For the millionth time, FRONT OR BACK LOADING CONTRACTS IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE NRL ! Since 2018 the NRL simply won’t register contracts with any substantial front or back loading.


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For the millionth time, FRONT OR BACK LOADING CONTRACTS IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE NRL ! Since 2018 the NRL simply won’t register contracts with any substantial front or back loading.


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Can the NRL refuse a contract - 3 years 1.2m that has increment such as 350k year 1, 400k year 2 and 450K year 3?
 

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For the millionth time, FRONT OR BACK LOADING CONTRACTS IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE NRL ! Since 2018 the NRL simply won’t register contracts with any substantial front or back loading.


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There are ways around it.

Have you noticed now you are seeing more contracts with player/club options for the final year?
 

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For the millionth time, FRONT OR BACK LOADING CONTRACTS IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE NRL ! Since 2018 the NRL simply won’t register contracts with any substantial front or back loading.


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Flicked through it and didn’t see anything about front loading?

It has been mentioned a lot in the media and also by our club this year that we can use left over cap money to pay ahead (front load) players salary’s for the following season to reach the required salary cap spending figure

Pretty sure the club said at one point during the year when we still had a spot in the top 30 open we had significant cap money left over for a top signing if it became available if not we would use it to front load current contracts for next season and promote a player in to that position, and again when DWZ was released Trent said we would not be using his money to buy a replacement it would instead be used towards front loading contracts for next season
 

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Flicked through it and didn’t see anything about front loading?

It has been mentioned a lot in the media and also by our club this year that we can use left over cap money to pay ahead (front load) players salary’s for the following season to reach the required salary cap spending figure

Pretty sure the club said at one point during the year when we still had a spot in the top 30 open we had significant cap money left over for a top signing if it became available if not we would use it to front load current contracts for next season and promote a player in to that position, and again when DWZ was released Trent said we would not be using his money to buy a replacement it would instead be used towards front loading contracts for next season
You are still able to front and back load contracts, just not a massively disproportionate percentage from one year to the other like Eastwood's deal.. The NRL have still been approving contracts that go up 25-100k from year to year this whole time.
 

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Flicked through it and didn’t see anything about front loading?
That’s because there’s not.

The only thing The NRL are policing is back loading, and even then it’s not a black and white rule, but they won’t register heavily backloaded contracts.

And clubs don’t exactly jump at front loading either, unless they’re 110% confident in the player. Why would you risk handing over the bulk of the money, and hence the motivation, and tying your hands to recover any money for early release negotiations if they arise.

Might free up SC money for later years but fuck up your roster space because you’re not gonna release a player you’ve already paid for.
 

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Can the NRL refuse a contract - 3 years 1.2m that has increment such as 350k year 1, 400k year 2 and 450K year 3?
It depends on the reasoning behind the increases. For example, if it’s a young inexperienced player then you could argue that modest increases are justified as he grows older and more experienced. Some contracts have incentives based on the number of NRL games or representative honours, they are also OK. But the NRL won’t register a contract without understanding and agreeing to the reasons behind any increases.

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There are ways around it.

Have you noticed now you are seeing more contracts with player/club options for the final year?
Any option year, player or club, has to have its value specified in the contract. The option year is not open ended, it has to have an agreed value, that the player or club can exercise.

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Any option year, player or club, has to have its value specified in the contract. The option year is not open ended, it has to have an agreed value, that the player or club can exercise.

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All the above is correct, however;
- you can rengotiate a year early
- the 'option' is not part of the contract up front. For example, if you have a player on a 2 year contract with the 3rd year an option - the third year is not in your salary cap until the player or the club activates the option.

How this relates to back ended deals - you can pay a player a certain sum and then have the 3rd year option substantially higher. In theory it is not back ended, the third year is essentially a new contract when the player exercises it.

Player/Club options in contracts were rarely used before NRL put a stop to back ended and front ended deals. This is just a way for managers and club to weasel their way around.
 

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Flicked through it and didn’t see anything about front loading?

It has been mentioned a lot in the media and also by our club this year that we can use left over cap money to pay ahead (front load) players salary’s for the following season to reach the required salary cap spending figure

Pretty sure the club said at one point during the year when we still had a spot in the top 30 open we had significant cap money left over for a top signing if it became available if not we would use it to front load current contracts for next season and promote a player in to that position, and again when DWZ was released Trent said we would not be using his money to buy a replacement it would instead be used towards front loading contracts for next season
The same here
 
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