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Snake said:
The tactics employed by the cowboys in the last round and manly in the finals were plain for all to see. They relentlessly ran their ‘big boppers’ at our little guys Reed, Hayward, Salmon and Co for the first 40-60 mins. Made inroads up the middle forcing our edges to cover. Fatigue kicked in and the rest is history. Ciro then looked to his bench for help (to late) sent on small guys like Morrin who couldn’t handle the physicality of the more high pressure games.
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Did you even watch the finals game against manly?
We were all over them, they got lucky with a few try’s and only won by 2 points.
Manly with there big poppers didn’t do shit.
 
I find it difficult to believe that a referee will be sent into a game with a specific direction from a betting agency. What I find more believable is a referee with a bias against specific teams and most in here know that referee with regards to the dogs. What I also find more believable are fans with a bias towards their own team. I have been biased about many decisions only to discover video evidence to the contrary moments later. Pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Then of course the referees just make genuine mistakes.
The dogs have been shit for years and the refereeing had nothing to do with it. Now that we are on the up it will be interesting to see if we start getting the 'rub of the green'.
 
Cappuccino said:
The refs against the dogs narrative is so tired and embarrassing

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I agree, it is the victim mentality that some among us suffer from.
I'm not one to advocate for referee's, but they're out there under fatigue making continuous decisions, under increasing fatigue and in a high pressure environment.
They will make mistakes in judgement, they will bring their personal and subconscious biases into their decision making.
I highly doubt that they are corrupt and deliberately target specific teams. They may target a specific teams tactics though.
Our game in 2024 relied very heavily on line speed in defence - so of course we would push the legal limits on this, I'd be dissapointed if we didn't. We probably got more 6 against against us because of this. I assume ref's would also know this and watch out for it during the game. They'd have a tip sheet type thing - Watch out for Reed's niggle etc.
 
King Gus said:
But true, there has been so many calls against us that it’s not a mistake and deliberate.
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Works both ways too. Plenty of games I felt the ref's fucked us and my mates think the exact opposite. To say they come into the game trying to fuck us is unfounded I think.
Yes we get bad calls and yes we've had bad runs against us. But before last year we were a fucking garbage undisciplined team for 7 or so years and deserved it.

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I have to say Refs in general (other than Sutton) started giving us a fair crack towards the end of the season, when they realized we weren't shit anymore.
 
Cappuccino said:
Works both ways too. Plenty of games I felt the ref's fucked us and my mates think the exact opposite. To say they come into the game trying to fuck us is unfounded I think.
Yes we get bad calls and yes we've had bad runs against us. But before last year we were a fucking garbage undisciplined team for 7 or so years and deserved it.

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100% we’ve been garbage for the past 7 years, but I’m also talking about deliberate penalties, even back in 2015 or so, the best one was kasiano knocked the ball on and threw the ball from frustrations and got penalised for throwing the ball.
Never seen that happen before.
Then same year kasiano gets shoulder charged by evens and nothing happens to evens.
I understand bad calls but there is straight deliberate calls as well.
 
Re last year it seemed to me for two-thirds of the season our line speed was "legal", then as it was expansively discussed and our tactics were celebrated and acknowledged as somewhat innovative....(move up quick/someone flies in to put pressure on the ball carrier/initial missed tackle ok if that was accomplished)....then the penalties started to be blown against this tactic to penalise us.

Maybe it was a coincidence?

Was my perception too blue and white eyed? :grinning:
 
King Gus said:
100% we’ve been garbage for the past 7 years, but I’m also talking about deliberate penalties, even back in 2015 or so, the best one was kasiano knocked the ball on and threw the ball from frustrations and got penalised for throwing the ball.
Never seen that happen before.
Then same year kasiano gets shoulder charged by evens and nothing happens to evens.
I understand bad calls but there is straight deliberate calls as well.
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Yes I remember Jackson being done for kicking the ball too..and it happens alot but no penalty haha
 
Cappuccino said:
Yes I remember Jackson being done for kicking the ball too..and it happens alot but no penalty haha
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I have big blue and white glasses lol . But hopefully we are going to be to good for the ref to have much influence on the game.

Ps You forgot to mention, first team lol
 
The Sutton's...

Always have been, always will be against the dogs.

Supporters 'bottled' and chance of it being any other way!
 
Haddaway said:
And yet we still made the top six.

We don't need BiG bOpPaS....we need power runners.

Penrith don't have ONE forward over 110 kgs,and yet they have win the comp 4 times in a row. We have 2 forwards over 110kgs.

For as good as Max King is, he's really just a bigger Tolman. Sam Hughes is a big man, but doesn't run like a Haas.
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For all of the Broncos front row stocks - they didn’t do much.
 
Cappuccino said:
Works both ways too. Plenty of games I felt the ref's fucked us and my mates think the exact opposite. To say they come into the game trying to fuck us is unfounded I think.
Yes we get bad calls and yes we've had bad runs against us. But before last year we were a fucking garbage undisciplined team for 7 or so years and deserved it.

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Over the last four or five years I've lost count of the number of times good friends of mine who follow a team we've just played told me the ref screwed the Dogs. I agree with observations that say fans are biased and blind, but this is often in the moment, the heat of the game. Also, not all fans are equal, some are hotheads, some are much more analytical. Most of my friends fall in the analytical group.
 
battered sav said:
I find it difficult to believe that a referee will be sent into a game with a specific direction from a betting agency. What I find more believable is a referee with a bias against specific teams and most in here know that referee with regards to the dogs. What I also find more believable are fans with a bias towards their own team. I have been biased about many decisions only to discover video evidence to the contrary moments later. Pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Then of course the referees just make genuine mistakes.
The dogs have been shit for years and the refereeing had nothing to do with it. Now that we are on the up it will be interesting to see if we start getting the 'rub of the green'.
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There are loads of variables at play in this whole discussion, and the human factor of refereeing is a variable that has mixed levels of control. Referees can be trained more, which should increase their skill, but in the heat of the game they will still miss stuff, or be subject to an unconscious bias, or any of a bunch of variables that are much harder to control for, such as fatigue.

Given that decisions around how much the NRL gets in bed with sports gambling are very much controllable variables, wisdom suggests that if the NRL doesn't want to be the subject of raging conspiracy theories, they would change the variables they can control by extracting the game from the kind of betting markets that have, historically, been manipulated. The NRL is not doing that. Either they are ok with the obvious conspiracy theories that will naturally follow, or they are to some degree taking advantage of those betting markets. Either way, it makes it difficult to defend them with intellectual honesty.
 
Honestly i think the refs are more incompetent and saddled by the millions of rule changes every season. There were games where if we were objective we should've lost. Last year vs the Warriors where we won by 1 is a good example, where i think it was Salmon who should've been penalised on our goal line but was let off.

However the Suttons are the two refs that are absolutely out to fuck us ever since that Good Friday clash almost a decade ago.

They should never ever ever ref our games
 
IMO it is not so much that the Dogs get "all the bad calls" but rather Souths (up until 2024) have tended to get the benefit of the doubt off n on the field. There have been two on field calls in Dogs games that have been sus because of how obvious they were - one when Jackson was speaking to the ref when the game was stopped after a penalty and the ref allowed play to start before Jackson was in his edge defense position and the try was scored through that gap, second one was a try by Jaxon Paulo - his foot was clearly out but not "noticed" by ref, linesman or video ref despite replays etc. From 2018 to 2023 te Dogs were poor - no referee could have saved them.
 
diddly said:
IMO it is not so much that the Dogs get "all the bad calls" but rather Souths (up until 2024) have tended to get the benefit of the doubt off n on the field. There have been two on field calls in Dogs games that have been sus because of how obvious they were - one when Jackson was speaking to the ref when the game was stopped after a penalty and the ref allowed play to start before Jackson was in his edge defense position and the try was scored through that gap, second one was a try by Jaxon Paulo - his foot was clearly out but not "noticed" by ref, linesman or video ref despite replays etc. From 2018 to 2023 te Dogs were poor - no referee could have saved them.
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I remember both those incidents. Cummins was the referee with the JJ incident.

Also don’t forget the incidents just before half time on Good Friday last year. Hutchison makes a long break, (probably his only one of the season), is tackled in South’s red zone and Sutton gives a penalty for holding down too long, but inexplicably doesn’t send the tackler (Isaah Tass), to the sin bin.

Next tackle JAC is attempting to score in the corner and who tackles him, Tass of course, before Latrine wipes JAC out of the game.

I don’t have statistics to back this up, but I can’t recall a game since Good Friday 2015 where Sutton has sin binned a player in opposition to the Bulldogs. Our win/loss record in games under his control in that period is about 12.5%,or one out of every 8.

I hate to criticise referees when I was once one at a lower level myself, albeit over 30 years ago, but it is blatantly obvious that Sutton has an agenda against us Based on the behaviour of our fans post game on Good Friday 2015.

He is the biggest impediment to us winning the GF in the near future. The club needs to get on the front foot and sort out issues in a behind closed doors meeting with him, Jared Maxwell and Graeme Annesley sooner rather than later. I’ve been advocating this for years.

I also found it mystifying that the one I consider the best ref (Adam Gee) did not referee any of the 9 finals matches in 2024, after being the GF referee in 2023. Whose toes has he trod on?
 
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