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PARIS (AFP) - French lawmakers voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to ban the wearing of face-covering veils in public spaces, as Europe toughens its approach to integrating Muslim immigrant communities.

On the eve of Bastille Day, when France celebrates the birth of what was to become a staunchly secular republic, the 577-seat National Assembly lower house voted by 335 votes to one for a total ban.

The bill will now go to the Senate in September, but opponents of the total ban say if it was overturned by the judges of the Constitutional Council, France's highest legal body, it would hand a victory to the fundamentalists.

For while President Nicolas Sarkozy's determination to ban the niqab and the burqa won enough political support to carry it, the critics argue that it breaches French and European human rights legislation.

The bill defines public space very broadly, including not just government buildings and public transport, but all streets, markets and thoroughfares, private businesses and entertainment venues.

Just ahead of the vote, Socialist lawmaker Francois de Rugy warned that if judges overturned the law it would be a "priceless gift to the fundamentalists we all oppose" and accused the right of electoral grandstanding.

But Socialist and Communist deputies did not vote against the bill, they simply abstained, and it sailed through without a hitch.

Similar laws are pending in Belgium, Spain and some Italian municipalities, but the ban is particularly sensitive in France, whose rundown city suburbs are home to Europe's biggest Muslim minority.

Last week, Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie told lawmakers debating the bill that its adoption would assert French values and help to better integrate Muslim communities into the national way of life.

She said being forced to wear the niqab or the burqa "amounts to being cut off from society and rejecting the very spirit of the French republic that is founded on a desire to live together."

"At a time where our societies are becoming more global and complex, the French people are pondering the future of their nation. Our responsibility is to show vigilance and reaffirm our commonly-shared values," she said.

Critics say the law exploits a non-problem -- only about 1,900 women among France's five to six million Muslims wear a veil -- in a bid to pander to anti-immigration voters and to distract attention from France's economic woes.

Most French Muslims come from France's former colonies in North and West Africa, where wearing the veil is rare, rather than from the Arabian peninsula or Pakistan where niqabs and burqas are a cultural tradition.

Mohammed Moussaoui, the head of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, a government advisory body, supports steps to discourage women from wearing the full veil, but has said a law would unfairly stigmatise a vulnerable group.

The bill was condemned by London-based human rights group Amnesty International, which had written to all French parliamentarians urging them to reject it.

"A complete ban on the covering of the face would violate the rights to freedom of expression and religion of those women who wear the burqa or the niqab as an expression of their identity or beliefs," said John Dalhuisen, Amnesty's expert on discrimination in Europe.

Mindful that a law with a broad scope might be struck down by the European court of human rights, which protects religious freedoms, Sarkozy's own ruling party has asked for the text to be examined by the Constitutional Council.

The ban enjoys broad popular support. An international poll conducted in April and May by the Washington-based Pew Research Center found that more than eight in 10 French voters supported a ban.

The same mood prevailed in Germany, where 71 percent backed a ban, in Britain, with 62 percent, and Spain with 59.

Under the bill, it would be illegal for anyone to cover their faces in public places like streets, parks, public transport or shops.

Fines of 150 euros (190 dollars) will be imposed on those caught wearing the veil, after a six-month grace period to allow time to educate Muslim women about the ban.

Men who force their wives or daughters to cover themselves for religious reasons face stiffer penalties of up to 30,000 euros and a one-year jail term.
 

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viva la france,their country they dictate the terms,for me as long as the face can be seen the headwear is ok
id like to see the bill passed thru parliament to ban the head dress that covers the face and in some cases the eyes covered with mesh now thats just @rsepiss
 

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I agree, pathetic, who cares what they wear. I have to put up with huge women wearing tights or dirty winos in trains, are they going to ban that as well
 

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PARIS (AFP) - French lawmakers voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to ban the wearing of face-covering veils in public spaces, as Europe toughens its approach to integrating Muslim immigrant communities.

On the eve of Bastille Day, when France celebrates the birth of what was to become a staunchly secular republic, the 577-seat National Assembly lower house voted by 335 votes to one for a total ban.

The bill will now go to the Senate in September, but opponents of the total ban say if it was overturned by the judges of the Constitutional Council, France's highest legal body, it would hand a victory to the fundamentalists.

For while President Nicolas Sarkozy's determination to ban the niqab and the burqa won enough political support to carry it, the critics argue that it breaches French and European human rights legislation.

The bill defines public space very broadly, including not just government buildings and public transport, but all streets, markets and thoroughfares, private businesses and entertainment venues.

Just ahead of the vote, Socialist lawmaker Francois de Rugy warned that if judges overturned the law it would be a "priceless gift to the fundamentalists we all oppose" and accused the right of electoral grandstanding.

But Socialist and Communist deputies did not vote against the bill, they simply abstained, and it sailed through without a hitch.

Similar laws are pending in Belgium, Spain and some Italian municipalities, but the ban is particularly sensitive in France, whose rundown city suburbs are home to Europe's biggest Muslim minority.

Last week, Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie told lawmakers debating the bill that its adoption would assert French values and help to better integrate Muslim communities into the national way of life.

She said being forced to wear the niqab or the burqa "amounts to being cut off from society and rejecting the very spirit of the French republic that is founded on a desire to live together."

"At a time where our societies are becoming more global and complex, the French people are pondering the future of their nation. Our responsibility is to show vigilance and reaffirm our commonly-shared values," she said.

Critics say the law exploits a non-problem -- only about 1,900 women among France's five to six million Muslims wear a veil -- in a bid to pander to anti-immigration voters and to distract attention from France's economic woes.

Most French Muslims come from France's former colonies in North and West Africa, where wearing the veil is rare, rather than from the Arabian peninsula or Pakistan where niqabs and burqas are a cultural tradition.

Mohammed Moussaoui, the head of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, a government advisory body, supports steps to discourage women from wearing the full veil, but has said a law would unfairly stigmatise a vulnerable group.

The bill was condemned by London-based human rights group Amnesty International, which had written to all French parliamentarians urging them to reject it.

"A complete ban on the covering of the face would violate the rights to freedom of expression and religion of those women who wear the burqa or the niqab as an expression of their identity or beliefs," said John Dalhuisen, Amnesty's expert on discrimination in Europe.

Mindful that a law with a broad scope might be struck down by the European court of human rights, which protects religious freedoms, Sarkozy's own ruling party has asked for the text to be examined by the Constitutional Council.

The ban enjoys broad popular support. An international poll conducted in April and May by the Washington-based Pew Research Center found that more than eight in 10 French voters supported a ban.

The same mood prevailed in Germany, where 71 percent backed a ban, in Britain, with 62 percent, and Spain with 59.

Under the bill, it would be illegal for anyone to cover their faces in public places like streets, parks, public transport or shops.

Fines of 150 euros (190 dollars) will be imposed on those caught wearing the veil, after a six-month grace period to allow time to educate Muslim women about the ban.

Men who force their wives or daughters to cover themselves for religious reasons face stiffer penalties of up to 30,000 euros and a one-year jail term.


thats awesome :D
 

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i reckon france didnt go far enough tbh

they should ban all clothes for females
 

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I agree, pathetic, who cares what they wear. I have to put up with huge women wearing tights or dirty winos in trains, are they going to ban that as well
I know a place where you can get the type of environment you are after.

Try being a westerner living under islamic laws.

The argument we often hear is that it is their country, their rules.
 

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I know a place where you can get the type of environment you are after.

Try being a westerner living under islamic laws.

The argument we often hear is that it is their country, their rules.
thank the lord

wah wah wah
 

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I know a place where you can get the type of environment you are after.

Try being a westerner living under islamic laws.

The argument we often hear is that it is their country, their rules.
Then don't go there. Mind your own business about what other people want to wear
 

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i just dont think its up to lawmakers to much such decisions on religious issues....im a christian and i wish to wear a cross and thats my business...now if a woman is muslim and she chooses to wear a burqa she has that right and i dont think ANYONE i dont care who they are should pass any sort of judgement or have ignorant politicans bringing in ridiculous legislation
 
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Then don't go there. Mind your own business about what other people want to wear
he has a point, you dont like the laws here, which are gonna be passed banning the burqa then f*ck off somewhere else
 

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he has a point, you dont like the laws here, which are gonna be passed banning the burqa then f*ck off somewhere else
So all this superiority about living in a country that you can wear whatever you want just evaporated. You just lost what ever moral high ground you were on.
 

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awesome that those damn islams are finally copping it just like westerners cop it in islam, hey?
yea ****, if we cant kiss in public in abu dabi you cant wear a burqa!!!!!

plz detect sarc
 

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Awesome that those damn Islams are finally copping it just like Westerners cop it in Islam, hey?
hiding faces should be illegal period esp. when quite a few i see from middle eastern backgrounds are quite cute mm mmm,but on a more serious note anyone walking around with a bike helmet(full face) or a balaclava on is viewed suspiciously for a reason and rightly so,i dont see why a passport or any i.d. should be valid when the person has the face covered
ive never been to any country under islamic sharia law and i have no desire to unless deployed but if you are expected to comply with their customs then.....i think you get the picture blaqdog and when the ban gets passed in parliament here eventually i will gladly support enforcement of it
 

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i just dont think its up to lawmakers to much such decisions on religious issues....im a christian and i wish to wear a cross and thats my business...now if a woman is muslim and she chooses to wear a burqa she has that right and i dont think ANYONE i dont care who they are should pass any sort of judgement or have ignorant politicans bringing in ridiculous legislation
wearing a cross around your neck doesn't cover or conceal your identity,.on the job i trust no one and watch hands closely but naturally a person with their face covered will draw more suspicion and makes us/me grab my 9mm for a quicker draw if it comes to that,.and to be honest if the face is concealed he/she will be met with hostility unless instant compliance is followed..its your opinion though and you're entitled to it
 

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Like any of this matters. France will be a muslim state in 20 years, we are simply outbreeding them, the rest of Europe will follow soon afterwards.

Countries can be conquered without wars.
 

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So all this superiority about living in a country that you can wear whatever you want just evaporated. You just lost what ever moral high ground you were on.
I don't want no moral high grounds. I want my freedoms back.

I don't want anyones religious beliefs to be imposed on me. That is the Australia I used to live in. That is slowly being chipped away.

I hope the rest of Europe wakes up and follows suit!!!

Like any of this matters. France will be a muslim state in 20 years, we are simply outbreeding them, the rest of Europe will follow soon afterwards.

Countries can be conquered without wars.
That is exactly what my sig is about. THE THIRD JIHAD. The silent war!!!
 

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I don't want no moral high grounds. I want my freedoms back.

I don't want anyones religious beliefs to be imposed on me. That is the Australia I used to live in. That is slowly being chipped away.
Ha! The Australia I used to live in people like you and me were called greasy wogs and openly mocked. The Australia I used to live in Aborigines were not allowed to vote even though they are the indigenous inhabitants.

We have come a long way since then and became an egalitarian nations where people's diversity are accepted.

Now the bigots are getting their voice back and cheered on by other bigots and piss weak morons.
 
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