[FOX] Dragons, Sea Eagles set to receive salary cap relief for accused stars Jack de Belin, Dylan Wa

JackDog

Kennel Enthusiast
Joined
Sep 24, 2016
Messages
3,049
Reaction score
2,837
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...r/news-story/6328d9be71d2e4959fd9e90185498952

NRL clubs who have players facing serious criminal charges are set to receive salary cap relief under a new plan that is designed to combat the spate of off-field atrocities.
The Daily Telegraph revealed on Monday that St George Illawarra are in line to be offered $600,000 in cap relief if Jack de Belin is stood down as he fights sexual assault charges.

The Australian Rugby League Commission is due to meet on Thursday where the fate of de Belin and Manly’s Dylan Walker, who is facing domestic violence charges, will be decided.

It’s likely that de Belin and Walker will be stood down on full pay until a verdict is reached in their court cases, and the NRL doesn’t want the clubs and their fans to be penalised.

Clubs had previously been resistant to the idea of standing down players due to the effect it would have on their rosters, however The Daily Telegraph claimed last week that up to nine club chairmen believes the spate of negative headlines calls for a dramatic re-think.


However, the Roosters’ influential chairman Nick Politis has said: “The problem is you are penalising the club and the fans more than the player. That’s not fair on the clubs.”

And it appears that message had been heard loud and clear by NRL independent commission chairman Peter Beattie.

“This element of the debate will be discussed on Thursday,” Beattie said. “We’ve got to be fair to the clubs if the rules are going to be changed.”

The Rugby League Players Association has come out strongly against the proposed move to stand down players, arguing their careers are short and that it could undermine their defence.

Walker is due in court on Tuesday to face assault charges from an alleged domestic incident involving his partner, while de Belin has pleaded not guilty to the aggravated sexual assault of a 19-year-old woman in Wollongong last year.

The biggest problem facing the Dragons and Sea Eagles is finding replacement players of similar ability to de Belin and Walker this close to the start of the new season, irrespective of the cap relief offered to them.

The Telegraph said the likes of Brad Takairangi, Sam Kasiano, Ava Seumanufagai, Sam McKendry, Ethan Lowe, Jason Bukuya, Patrick Kaufusi, Josh Dugan, Kurt Capewell, Chris McQueen and Lloyd Perrett will come into the frame if the pair are stood down. But apart from Dugan, none of these players have the required representative pedigree desired.

There are also logistical issues surrounding how the cap relief can be used.

One senior club official described the situation as a “minefield” to The Daily Telegraph.

Clubs want to know whether they would be told to spend the money immediately or have permission to stockpile it for a big name the following year.

“We would want to know whether we can spend it the following season if we can’t utilise it this season,” said one NRL club official. “You don’t want to just go out and there and say: “There’s a player, let’s give him ‘x amount’ because we have the money.

“Certainly from our club’s perspective, we want to hold it and wait for the right person to come along. There can’t be a time limit on the money. If they did put a limit on it, it would be like giving us a ticket we can’t use.”

Another official said: “What about a player who agrees to come but then wants to sign for another year or two? Who knows by then though whether the player stood down may be available to return and the salary cap for the following year would more than likely be finalised.”
---------------------------------

What Uncle Nick wants, Uncle Nick gets...

Imagine if the case falls through in 2 months (new evidence, whatever), what happens to the new recruit when the innocent player comes back? "sorry, we can't have you in FG anymore, you can either go to ISP or go elsewhere. But thanks for helping out."

Might work if the offending players are stood down for the season from the start (as unfair as that is if they are innocent).

Better to allow the club to use another ISP player while the offending player is stood down. It won't be the same class of player, but is more workable.
 

B-Train

Kennel Immortal
Joined
Mar 1, 2004
Messages
32,591
Reaction score
48,171
What happened to "due dilligence?" Shouldn't those clubs that sign thugs and criminals have to deal with the consequences?

This would open a massive can of worms and we all know that it won't be implemented consistently which will only cause more anger and uproar..

This NRL administration is so all over the place, it's hard to keep up..
 

TABOO

Kennel Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 13, 2018
Messages
2,740
Reaction score
3,921
How can they say there can be no time limit on it?
The ,money needs to be solely used while that player is unavailable.
Why should they then be able to benefit by using the extra cap later?
Is it just me or does that make no sense? They would actually be coming out in front (Cap-wise) by having a player stood down....
 

Kempsey Dog

Kennel Immortal
Premium Member
SC Top Scorer
Tipping Champion
Joined
Apr 29, 2014
Messages
23,608
Reaction score
24,937
Fuck off ... imagine if it was us
 

B-Train

Kennel Immortal
Joined
Mar 1, 2004
Messages
32,591
Reaction score
48,171
Another by-product of this is that depending on the situation and what player it was, certain club's might be keen to abandon their player whether they're guilty or not just to rid themselves of a bad contract and to get more cap flexibility..

There are so many flaws with this proposal it's frightening.

But of course, if Politis wants it to happen then it will happen. I don't know why he needs cap concessions when they don't operate under the salary cap anyway.
 

TABOO

Kennel Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 13, 2018
Messages
2,740
Reaction score
3,921
Another by-product of this is that depending on the situation and what player it was, certain club's might be keen to abandon their player whether they're guilty or not just to rid themselves of a bad contract and to get more cap flexibility..

There are so many flaws with this proposal it's frightening.

But of course, if Politis wants it to happen then it will happen. I don't know why he needs cap concessions when they don't operate under the salary cap anyway.
Just a way of trying to make their cap rorting look more legitimate.
 

K E

The Bart, The
Premium Member
Gilded
Joined
Mar 5, 2005
Messages
40,982
Reaction score
1,181
Another by-product of this is that depending on the situation and what player it was, certain club's might be keen to abandon their player whether they're guilty or not just to rid themselves of a bad contract and to get more cap flexibility..
First thing I thought of. An NRL club is like a cop, if it wants to find something to get you with, they'll find something.

This seems like an awesome way of a club saying "let's piss this player off and have his salary wiped from our cap"...
 

Mr Invisible

Banned
Joined
Apr 26, 2008
Messages
0
Reaction score
47
Oh this whole grand idea is going to turn into an absolutely fucking mess.

I can see it now... Walker and DeBelin stood down, found not guilty, and then the clubs salary cap blows out when they return.

It's simple... if there's enoguh evidence for police to lay charges and take the matter to trial/court, then there's enough evidence to stand the player down with pay. Stiff shit to the clubs it impacts.

Else what next ? Salary cap compensation when players are injured???
 

Heckler

Kennel Addict
Premium Member
Gilded
Joined
Oct 13, 2014
Messages
6,334
Reaction score
9,055
If thats the path the NRL is going to take, then all these cases where players have been charged with an alleged indictable offence should be stood down. However seeing we are all presumed innocent until proven guilty, all these cases should be put through the courts almost immediately and force clarity.
 

B-Train

Kennel Immortal
Joined
Mar 1, 2004
Messages
32,591
Reaction score
48,171
Wouldn't they have their contracts de-registered and terminated anyway if found guilty? So wouldn't the club's have that cap space back anyway?

Plus, who's to say what offense gets compensation and what doesn't?

If it's rape or a violent crime you get cap relief but if it's sex tapes or a recreational drugs you get no cap relief? So as fans are we supposed to hope that they commit more serious crimes so our club's can buy a replacement?

Like everything else with the NRL, this has to be one of the least thought through proposals I've ever heard of.

All they ever do is make the game more confusing and make it harder for themselves by trying to have black and white rules for complex issues.
 

bricktamland

Kennel Enthusiast
Joined
Jul 12, 2010
Messages
3,639
Reaction score
3,148
Well these clubs should of used due diligence in signing them.. hey greenfart you dumb dumb
 

Moedogg

Kennel Legend
Joined
Apr 6, 2012
Messages
13,498
Reaction score
20,309
If Napa gets suspended for 5-6 games we should be given salary cap relief to sign another like-for-like player to cover for Napa who's a marquee signing, calling up a reserve grade player to replace Napa doesn't fairly compensate the loss of a player of Napa's calibre.
 

Dogzof95

Kennel Enthusiast
Joined
Apr 5, 2016
Messages
3,197
Reaction score
2,510
They need to change the name of this joke of an administration from NRL to RRL (Reactive Rugby League) because they don't have a single iota of proactive professionalism within them. They are so incompetent it's incomprehensible!
 

Kempsey Dog

Kennel Immortal
Premium Member
SC Top Scorer
Tipping Champion
Joined
Apr 29, 2014
Messages
23,608
Reaction score
24,937
Another by-product of this is that depending on the situation and what player it was, certain club's might be keen to abandon their player whether they're guilty or not just to rid themselves of a bad contract and to get more cap flexibility..

There are so many flaws with this proposal it's frightening.

But of course, if Politis wants it to happen then it will happen. I don't know why he needs cap concessions when they don't operate under the salary cap anyway.
of course Politis would want it to happen... means hes even better off when he / the club plants coke on certain players
 

dogluva

Kennel Immortal
Joined
Nov 23, 2007
Messages
17,562
Reaction score
8,150
Else what next ? Salary cap compensation when players are injured???
Yep... that little gem has already been offered if a player is injured during a rep game as was Rapana from Canberra.



https://www.sportingnews.com/au/lea...apana-josh-hodgson/1rh6b63gmgrme1msutcjwakwmm


The NRL has afforded salary cap relief to the Canberra Raiders to help them replace injured winger Jordan Rapana for the first half of 2019.

Rapana underwent surgery after twice dislocating his shoulder while playing for New Zealand against England in November and is predicted to miss a minimum of three months next season.

Under a new rule, clubs can submit a salary cap relief request for the pro-rata value of a player's contract if they are hurt during a representative match and expected to be sidelined for 12 matches or more.


The Raiders have been allowed around $175,000 out of a maximum $350,000 to purchase a like-for-like substitute for Rapana - meaning they can only purchase another winger/fullback.

They must communicate with the NRL before recruiting anyone to ensure they abide by all stipulations.

But there is a catch if the Raiders do sign a replacement - Rapana cannot play for the Green Machine before round 13 regardless of his fitness.

The NRL introduced salary cap relief after marquee Canberra hooker Josh Hodgson tore his ACL in a World Cup game for England in 2017.

He was unavailable for the first 14 rounds of 2018 and the Raiders had no remaining funds to cover his loss.

The NRL will probably activate that for others injured in normal club games as well if the right people ask about it... but I think that for that purpose at the moment they may use one of their development players to replace someone in the top 30 but only after a certain date ( June 30??) Perhaps the cap allowance there should also be on some sort of pro rate basis too, not the total salary for the year. How does one know how long a player will be stood down for? Bet you a quid though that we would not have the whole delaying game being played with players asking for continuances and change of court appearances.They and their clubs will want it sorted asap. Should they not have to use one of their development players rather than being allowed to sign a player from outside the club. The player movements are bad enough now and causing discontent amongst fans... we don't need any more to complicate things...


https://www.sportingnews.com/au/lea...e-stars-rugby-league/4kg1cueunabuzk11bneoxify

After announcing initial NRL squads for the 2019 season, clubs have begun to earmark a slew of potential stars by naming additional development players.

Under reported new rules, development players - who are not included in a club's top 30 squad - will train full-time with first grade and can be selected in the NRL following the June 30 player movement deadline.


This is in contrast to 2018, where development picks were ineligible to play first grade except in extraordinary circumstances such as an injury crisis to a specific position within the top 30.


St George Illawarra Dragons: Jackson Ford, Joe Lovodua, Steven Marsters, Jason Saab, Eddie Blacker

Manly Sea Eagles: Jade Anderson, Lachlan Croker, Sean Keppie, Luke Metcalf, Haumole Olakau'atu
 

Freakzilla

Kennel Immortal
2 x Gilded
Premium Member
SC H2H Champion
Tipping Champion
Joined
Jun 24, 2008
Messages
24,710
Reaction score
19,019
If this is real then someone should make a rumour about our whole top 30. They all get stood down. They are then found not guilty at the end of the year. Next year we have double the salary cap.
 

flamebouyant

Kennel Legend
Joined
Sep 27, 2016
Messages
10,032
Reaction score
14,768
Wouldn't they have their contracts de-registered and terminated anyway if found guilty? So wouldn't the club's have that cap space back anyway?

Plus, who's to say what offense gets compensation and what doesn't?

If it's rape or a violent crime you get cap relief but if it's sex tapes or a recreational drugs you get no cap relief? So as fans are we supposed to hope that they commit more serious crimes so our club's can buy a replacement?

Like everything else with the NRL, this has to be one of the least thought through proposals I've ever heard of.

All they ever do is make the game more confusing and make it harder for themselves by trying to have black and white rules for complex issues.
Absolutely. This is an absolute crop of shit.
Let's put it In another context. Imagine someone rapes a girl at their work christmas party. Would they be stood down with full pay? Fuck no!!!
A serious charge such as this will likely pass through the courts faster then a misdemeanour, so you would think the trials verdict will therefore come quicker. So let them sit out without pay. And put their salaries lost back into the game.
 
Top