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Why is the better question.
Foran and Tolman are not the problem with this team.
Foran is out of contact at the end of this season so if the club doesn't want to sign him again then that's it right. The club will have to make that decision soon anyway.
They're also not helping the team. And both won't be re-signed next season. So I don't see the value in keeping them when they have more value to another club that will compensate us with a player swap.
 

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hoops was saying the bulldogs want to sign foran for 500 000 or 600 000 for 2 years this is a big mistake
 

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People hammer Wakeham and Lewis etc but let's address the Elephant in the room.. Foran has been a passenger in most games he's played this year and is not playing like a star half or a million dollar player.

He's deffering to Wakeham and Lewis like he's the inexperienced half, not them... He doesn't cop the blame from the media or fanbase whereas lesser players do.

We're going to come bottom three this season regardless of whether we have Foran in the team or not.

He's not helping the team out and looks like he doesn't want to be there. The Tigers and several other teams would take him off our hands in a mid season move by paying a small portion of his deal.

Do you think they should move him on this season and try and get a player swap with another club or would you rather keep him til the end of the season?

Either way, surely he's proven beyond any doubt that he's not deserving of another deal next season. Even when he plays he doesn't have an impact on the game anymore.
If you look at Forans clubs since Manly he takes teams backwards. Warriors from 10th to 13th when he came then 8th when he left. Parra from 12th to 14th when he came then 4th when he left. Bulldogs from 11th to 12th when he came then 12th and now spoon. He's like the bizzaro Cronk who makes teams worse
 

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Thompson is Tolman's replacement. Tolman will not be re-signed and he will retire unless he finds a gig in the English Super League.

In regards to Foran, there is a lot going on in the back office. We need an experienced halve and the back office is at war with each other over Foran and Reynolds. Half the mob wants Reynolds for 1 year only, while the other mob are against bringing Reynolds back and want Foran for an additional year.

All these "prospective coaches", there is truth to them, BUT they have extinguished the club on the spot. They do not want the job, if they dont have a competitive spine. The thing is, the cattle that is required just isn't there, and these coaches will not place there legacy and egos on the line.

The mob in the back office do not wish to extend Pay, but the problem is they cannot lure the coaches they want to the club. They are "waiting and hoping" that a "class" player falls out with their current clubs so they can try and pounce on them which could entice an experienced coach at the club. I personally cannot see this happening.

No cards are falling into place, and it could be very likely that the club will have no other choice than to extend Pay for another year
Thanks for passing on what you've heard and all of that would be disastrous if true. Let's hope it's not!

If they're still debating whether to sign Reynolds when there are players like Burton, Crossland, Hynes, Johns, Clifford, Cust, Walters etc potentially available, then that just shows how pathetic our recruiting is.
 

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hoops was saying the bulldogs want to sign foran for 500 000 or 600 000 for 2 years this is a big mistake
If Hoops said it then it musn't be true and the opposite will happen. I hope so anyway.
 

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You need an experienced halve to play alongside these young players.

You put two young players in the halves in the NRL and they will get belted week in week out. It just does not work that way, especially when everyone expects "instant success".

For years, Tigers had these issues with Brooks and Moses and the Tigers havent played finals footy for years. Ash Taylor was another "prospect" that flopped by chasing the money at Titans with no experienced halve there.

Roosters purchase most of their halves (Maloney, Keary, Cronk) and when they want to bleed a young halve (Flanagan) they have experience around them.

Cronullas premiership winning year consisted of a few juniors, though their spine was purchased over a couple of years (Ennis, Barba, Maloney)

Gould brought in Maloney to partner a very young Cleary for a couple of years, and now Cleary is nurturing there #6. Panthers are starting to look like a team which will give the premiership a crack.

Broncos are filled with "youth" and some of the best young backs and forwards in the game. There spine is absolutely atrocious with no experience (barring Milford who is a FB), and there performances and position on the ladder shows that.

A balanced squad of youth and experience is required and unfortunately we are nowhere near balanced to contest for the 8 let alone top 4 and beyond
So who and what are they targeting?
 

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Thompson is Tolman's replacement. Tolman will not be re-signed and he will retire unless he finds a gig in the English Super League.

In regards to Foran, there is a lot going on in the back office. We need an experienced halve and the back office is at war with each other over Foran and Reynolds. Half the mob wants Reynolds for 1 year only, while the other mob are against bringing Reynolds back and want Foran for an additional year.

All these "prospective coaches", there is truth to them, BUT they have extinguished the club on the spot. They do not want the job, if they dont have a competitive spine. The thing is, the cattle that is required just isn't there, and these coaches will not place there legacy and egos on the line.

The mob in the back office do not wish to extend Pay, but the problem is they cannot lure the coaches they want to the club. They are "waiting and hoping" that a "class" player falls out with their current clubs so they can try and pounce on them which could entice an experienced coach at the club. I personally cannot see this happening.

No cards are falling into place, and it could be very likely that the club will have no other choice than to extend Pay for another year
Reynolds has another year at WT on minimum & 750k plus car plus plus, so like $850k under the cap. He is back in 1st grade and WT are in the 8.
Are you saying WT will pay a big chunk of Reynolds contact for next season?
 

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Reynolds has another year at WT on minimum & 750k plus car plus plus, so like $850k under the cap. He is back in 1st grade and WT are in the 8.
Are you saying WT will pay a big chunk of Reynolds contact for next season?
Source; https://www.nrl.com/operations/integrity/salary-cap/
"$0.1m - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 30 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each)."

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He's been a fucking pussy dodging responsibility the last 2 weeks ... We are shit with him and will be shit without him anyways so we may aswell cut our losses and move on.
 

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You need an experienced halve to play alongside these young players.

You put two young players in the halves in the NRL and they will get belted week in week out. It just does not work that way, especially when everyone expects "instant success".

For years, Tigers had these issues with Brooks and Moses and the Tigers havent played finals footy for years. Ash Taylor was another "prospect" that flopped by chasing the money at Titans with no experienced halve there.

Roosters purchase most of their halves (Maloney, Keary, Cronk) and when they want to bleed a young halve (Flanagan) they have experience around them.

Cronullas premiership winning year consisted of a few juniors, though their spine was purchased over a couple of years (Ennis, Barba, Maloney)

Gould brought in Maloney to partner a very young Cleary for a couple of years, and now Cleary is nurturing there #6. Panthers are starting to look like a team which will give the premiership a crack.

Broncos are filled with "youth" and some of the best young backs and forwards in the game. There spine is absolutely atrocious with no experience (barring Milford who is a FB), and there performances and position on the ladder shows that.

A balanced squad of youth and experience is required and unfortunately we are nowhere near balanced to contest for the 8 let alone top 4 and beyond
The way things are looking, we might need to recruit two halves with Foran leaving and Wakeham/Cogger/Lewis not playing well enough to start next year.

So we need to recruit Burton heavily and ideally add another experienced half (not Foran). The problem is, most of the experienced halves are proven duds and not worth recruiting. And Foran isn't worth keeping on current form, especially with his injury history..
 

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There number 1 priority is hooker.

They want a halfback to partner up with Averillo in the halves

You will not get an answer from them in regards to the players they are chasing, though one thing that is quite clear, is the massive hard on Chris Anderson has for Patrick Carrigan.
Oh great.. Carrigan is a solid player but doesn't have an offload or break tackles. He's a one dimensional hard working middle forward. Is that really what he wants to spend 600k on when we have far greater needs? Do they think it's still 1986 and games are won 4-2?

Flegler is a better option at least if their looking at middles from Brisbane because at least he has footwork and an offload.

But even then, we need a hooker, fullback, two halves, edge 2nd rower and a centre before they look at more middle forwards
 

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People hammer Wakeham and Lewis etc but let's address the Elephant in the room.. Foran has been a passenger in most games he's played this year and is not playing like a star half or a million dollar player.

He's deffering to Wakeham and Lewis like he's the inexperienced half, not them... He doesn't cop the blame from the media or fanbase whereas lesser players do.

We're going to come bottom three this season regardless of whether we have Foran in the team or not.

He's not helping the team out and looks like he doesn't want to be there. The Tigers and several other teams would take him off our hands in a mid season move by paying a small portion of his deal.

Do you think they should move him on this season and try and get a player swap with another club or would you rather keep him til the end of the season?

Either way, surely he's proven beyond any doubt that he's not deserving of another deal next season. Even when he plays he doesn't have an impact on the game anymore.
Give Foran a couple more weeks, he has barely played footy over the past few years. He is lacking confidence in his body, it will come with time! He is starting to take the line on more, if he is the same in three weeks then I’d agree. Mate WE SHOULD NEVER PAY ANY MORE PLAYERS TO PLAY FOR OTHER CLUBS EVER AGAIN!
 

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Source; https://www.nrl.com/operations/integrity/salary-cap/
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I said plus, plus. There could be other add ons in his contact. I don't know, let's say base is $770k. How much are WT willing to tip in for 2021?
 

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Give Foran a couple more weeks, he has barely played footy over the past few years. He is lacking confidence in his body, it will come with time! He is starting to take the line on more, if he is the same in three weeks then I’d agree. Mate WE SHOULD NEVER PAY ANY MORE PLAYERS TO PLAY FOR OTHER CLUBS EVER AGAIN!
Let's agree to disagree. I think Foran needs to get involved or not play at all until his body is ready for him to actively participate in the game and not just make up the numbers while a struggling rookie does the heavy lifting.

As for paying players to play elsewhere, as I said that money is already spent. We're paying him this year regardless and at best he helps us win a few more meaningless games at the end of the year. That's if he doesn't get injured again..

So why not try and get a young player from another club that offers more energy and involvement now and could potentially help us in the future..
 

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Averillo has everything to become a good 5/8.

We need a strike 7 & 9.

A strike FB would also be ideal but 7 & 9 is more important. It's just a real shame that the only thing Hoppa lacks at 1 is speed, but with the correct balance at 6, 7 & 9, Hoppa at 1 would work
Hoppa is great positionally and with his passing at fullback but he's that slow that you just can't have him there long term. I think he's best suited at centre. We need a more dynamic fullback. But I agree, if 6, 7 and 9 were somehow sorted, he'd do a job there for another year..

I'd like to see Averillo getting a shot at fullback with Hopoate out for the next 6-8 weeks.
 

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People hammer Wakeham and Lewis etc but let's address the Elephant in the room.. Foran has been a passenger in most games he's played this year and is not playing like a star half or a million dollar player.

He's deffering to Wakeham and Lewis like he's the inexperienced half, not them... He doesn't cop the blame from the media or fanbase whereas lesser players do.

We're going to come bottom three this season regardless of whether we have Foran in the team or not.

He's not helping the team out and looks like he doesn't want to be there. The Tigers and several other teams would take him off our hands in a mid season move by paying a small portion of his deal.

Do you think they should move him on this season and try and get a player swap with another club or would you rather keep him til the end of the season?

Either way, surely he's proven beyond any doubt that he's not deserving of another deal next season. Even when he plays he doesn't have an impact on the game anymore.
200% I wrote about this quite some time ago,if the tigers want him let him go,he is yesterday's hero,the only threat he poses is to our salary cap,goodbye and good riddance.
 

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There number 1 priority is hooker.

They want a halfback to partner up with Averillo in the halves

You will not get an answer from them in regards to the players they are chasing, though one thing that is quite clear, is the massive hard on Chris Anderson has for Patrick Carrigan.
Thanks for the update mate. I definitely wouldn’t mind carrigan
 
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