FFS Sake Just Bite The Bullet On Drugs

[HD and Ink]

ACT government to decriminalise possession of small amounts of drugs including cocaine and heroin

Under new laws, anyone found with amount that falls within threshold will be fined, but not charged

www.theguardian.com

Merrywana needs to be legal in every OZ state. Let a house grow up to 3 plants for personal use. The War on Drugs costs billions and does what ? Arrest some low dealer or some poor sod buying a taste.

OK I've got a interest here, I used to grow 2 plants and enjoyed a nice Sativa joint. Have been off it now for about 12 months.

Thing is folk are gonna buy it anyway, they want it or script meds. Weed ( imho) is less dangerous than grog. Canberra made it legal and the place hasn't come crashing down.

Small amounts of coke fine but stuff like crack or meth I don't know nothing about them.

In 2019 in Amsterdam I went to a cafe got a joint that seriously blew me away. But here you can go to a doc and get a script of weed. But it's stupid expensive. The stupid thing is you can legally buy weed seeds here ( for like display) and grow your own. I know I've done it.

I think we need to lock at this to drop crime rates and cops time going after with some bloke with half a ounce.

Thing is it might be OK but pollies have no balls but grog. Sure get yourself paralytic every Sat night.

 

[N4TE]

Never been a big pot smoker everything else I maybe have or have not dabbled in - No comment. But I can see the beneficial aspects to weed and treatments like cancer or chronic pain so yeah just make it legal.

 

[HD and Ink]

But I can see the beneficial aspects to weed and treatments like cancer or chronic pain so yeah just make it legal.

That's it man. But weed, gummies, brownies or joints are better than having folk on that bloody addictive Valium or Xanax.

 

[N4TE]

That's it man. But weed, gummies, brownies or joints are better than having folk on that bloody addictive Valium or Xanax.

Yep the prescription drugs are fucked up I had a mate who killed himself and no one knows exactly why but his toxicology report said he was on so many Xanax it wasn’t funny which maybe lead to him doing what he did.

 

[HD and Ink]

You're spot on man. In the US and here not as much I think it's Fentanyl. Docs are writing scripts for this stuff and it's way more harmful that weed.

 

[CroydonDog]

Legalise. Regulate. Tax. Educate.

 

[south of heaven]

That's it man. But weed, gummies, brownies or joints are better than having folk on that bloody addictive Valium or Xanax.

I dos like my vallium as a bit of a treat when flying,I can't handle pot it absolutely nails me, but should be legal , put a room full of rum drinkers and a room full of stoner's, to get on a session, bet you the stoner's don't fight but piss heads will.

 

[senshidog]

Problem is, much like alcohol, the spectrum of how people react on other substances is quite broad.

Whilst alcohol you really have to hit it hard to nuke your liver, it's very hard to end up with mental health disorders as a result of boozing it up.

On the flipside, chronic smoking of cannibas has known links with schizoprenic and bipolar disorders in people. Some are unaffected, some suffer badly, and others get along fine.

That's the slippery slope of legalising drugs though, you have to cater for the potential worse possible scenario.

I've never touched drugs, never smoked, and last beer I had was probably 2017. Never seen the appeal personally.

Problem is once you start legalising things, where is the line drawn? Suddenly is heroin okay? Bath Salts? Meth?

 

[HD and Ink]

On the flipside, chronic smoking of cannibas has known links with schizoprenic and bipolar disorders in people. Some are unaffected, some suffer badly, and others get along fine.

That's the slippery slope of legalising drugs though, you have to cater for the potential worse possible scenario.

I've never touched drugs, never smoked, and last beer I had was probably 2017.

K I get it and agree with some. You dont have to smoke weed but vape it.....6 of 1 maybe. You can take it as a liquid or edible.

Me never had a taste of beer but spirits absolutely.

Also drugs are here man and causing a shit ton of damage in crime, gangland stuff, bad mixes made in labs no decent rat would be seen in. So you can maybe I don't know, get rid of some of these things if you had a dispensary.
Sure I guess I might sound naïve.

 

[Doogie]

Problem is, much like alcohol, the spectrum of how people react on other substances is quite broad.

Whilst alcohol you really have to hit it hard to nuke your liver, it's very hard to end up with mental health disorders as a result of boozing it up.

On the flipside, chronic smoking of cannibas has known links with schizoprenic and bipolar disorders in people. Some are unaffected, some suffer badly, and others get along fine.

That's the slippery slope of legalising drugs though, you have to cater for the potential worse possible scenario.

I've never touched drugs, never smoked, and last beer I had was probably 2017. Never seen the appeal personally.

Problem is once you start legalising things, where is the line drawn? Suddenly is heroin okay? Bath Salts? Meth?

Bullshit.

Alcohol is a depressive. Your argument is that somehow mary jane has worse health outcomes than alcohol. Science says otherwise.

So lets make this simple. How many people OD'd and died on dope? Practically zero. How many die of alcohol poisoning? Definitely a bucket load more.

Your argument is about as sensible as Dungeons and Dragons players worship satan. In the modern age - we all know - they worship Pornhub....

 

[Doogie]

I dos like my vallium as a bit of a treat when flying,I can't handle pot it absolutely nails me, but should be legal , put a room full of rum drinkers and a room full of stoner's, to get on a session, bet you the stoner's don't fight but piss heads will.

but when the stoners do fight - its awesome. like watching a real life version of the matrix....

 

[senshidog]

Also drugs are here man and causing a shit ton of damage in crime, gangland stuff, bad mixes made in labs no decent rat would be seen in. So you can maybe I don't know, get rid of some of these things if you had a dispensary.

I guess it's very much "how much of a Pandoras Box gets opened".

Like if it gets legalised (lets say cocaine), and someone overdoses on it, does the government get the blame for allowing it?

Not sure if drug related crimes would decrease or increase (i.e crimes so people could afford legalised drugs)?

Then there's always illegal drugs around still (like meth, heroin, etc).

Alcohol is a depressive.

To some people. Some are happy drunks. That was my point. Not every person is impacted the same way by drugs.

Alcohol poisoning is actually pretty rare and/or takes decades of abusing alcohol before the organs shit themselves.

You could argue that pot smoking also causes lung cancer.

I'm not so much argueing with you, just saying that you have to draw a line somewhere with drugs.

 

[HD and Ink]

I guess it's very much "how much of a Pandoras Box gets opened".

Like if it gets legalised (lets say cocaine), and someone overdoses on it, does the government get the blame for allowing it?

Not sure if drug related crimes would decrease or increase (i.e crimes so people could afford legalised drugs)?

Then there's always illegal drugs around still (like meth, heroin, etc).

Btw I'm not arguing just thinking loud.

Been a ton of shooting in Syd that the cops reckon is drug/gang related.

When a drunk kills a pedestrian we don't sue or whatever the gov for making grog legal.

Correct, about other stuff like meth and heroin. But maybe if they can get weed a bit of coke that sort of stuff then they forget the meth.....dunno

 

[Doogie]

I guess it's very much "how much of a Pandoras Box gets opened".

Like if it gets legalised (lets say cocaine), and someone overdoses on it, does the government get the blame for allowing it?

Not sure if drug related crimes would decrease or increase (i.e crimes so people could afford legalised drugs)?

Then there's always illegal drugs around still (like meth, heroin, etc).


To some people. Some are happy drunks. That was my point. Not every person is impacted the same way by drugs.

Alcohol poisoning is actually pretty rare and/or takes decades of abusing alcohol before the organs shit themselves.

You could argue that pot smoking also causes lung cancer.

I'm not so much argueing with you, just saying that you have to draw a line somewhere with drugs.

Nope - just wrong.

which one u want?

Drug harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis

These findings lend support to previous work assessing drug harms, and show how the improved scoring and weighting approach of MCDA increases the differentiation between the most and least harmful drugs. However, the findings correlate poorly with present UK drug classification, which is not...

www.thelancet.com

or..

Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse

Drug misuse and abuse are major health problems. Harmful drugs are regulated according to classification systems that purport to relate to the harms and risks of each drug. However, the methodology and processes underlying classification systems are generally neither specified nor transparent...

www.thelancet.com

Per the CDC - on average - six people die in the US every day from alcohol poisoning. And only 30% of those was dependency identified.

Now for dope - Australia - 2000 to 2018. 559 cannabis associated deaths in Australia and how many were from direct toxicity. A big fat zero.

Rates, characteristics and manner of cannabis-related deaths in Australia 2000–2018

The most commonly used illicit substance worldwide is cannabis. To date, no national level study of cannabis-related death has been undertaken in Aust…

www.sciencedirect.com

Appreciate you not arguing with me - because u really do not have an argument.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Should legalise MDMA while we're at it too

 

[senshidog]

Been a ton of shooting in Syd that the cops reckon is drug/gang related.

I do wonder how much of that is drugs, vs manchildren in gangs.

When a drunk kills a pedestrian we don't sue or whatever the gov for making grog legal.

True that. But on the flipside do we want to be increasing the number of people potentially on the road with altered mind / physical states.

Correct, about other stuff like meth and heroin. But maybe if they can get weed a bit of coke that sort of stuff then they forget the meth.....dunno

About the only way I can think it would be possibly safe, would be to have smoking houses, or drug houses where people could go to use them, and once they pass a toxicology test saying they are not high, could then head home.

Such a tricky one given how diverse not only drugs, but their effects are.

Per the CDC - on average - six people die in the US every day from alcohol poisoning. And only 30% of those was dependency identified.

Now for dope - Australia - 2000 to 2018. 559 cannabis associated deaths in Australia and how many were from direct toxicity. A big fat zero.

What were the proportionate numbers of those in the studies though? If you are talking 1000 drunks, vs 10 marijuana smokers, that number will change heavily if legalised.

Just on a side note though regarding alcoholics, interesting to see a massive push these days into the non alcoholic beverage space. Will be interesting one to follow moving forwards, to see if alcoholic drinks have a noticable decrease or not.

 

[Bulldog1966]

Yeh and coke, speed...

 

[Doogie]

What were the proportionate numbers of those in the studies though? If you are talking 1000 drunks, vs 10 marijuana smokers, that number will change heavily if legalised.

Think you're missing the point. 12.1% of Australians reported having at least a spliff in 2019 - 2020. Alcohol - around 80%.

So I divide 6 people a day by the diff - roughly one per day using the American numbers (so its probably one every 2 or 3 days in Oz - couldn't be fckd finding any more refs). And I compare that to - zero.

Alcohol, tobacco & other drugs in Australia, Cannabis

Alcohol, tobacco and other drug use is a major cause of preventable disease, illness and death in Australia. This report consolidates recent information on the availability and consumption of...

www.aihw.gov.au

Alcohol Overview

Alcohol Overview page on the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare website

www.aihw.gov.au

and for the record - don't want pot legalised. fckd if I want to pay tax on something I don't pay tax on.

Bottom line - evidence from wherever u want to look shows that alcohol is more harmful to society than pot (pro rata'd or not). Even deaths associated to pot are a stretch. E.g. MV - fck - ever driven while stoned? You die because your going to slow. Suicide (yeah - just got stoned and wondered what would happen if I just jumped in front of a train), polysubstance abuse (yep - had a cone and it fckd up the half of kilo of smack I just injected) and I'm guessing natural disease is just you died but since you had a cone once - must have been related to the cone. U have to stretch a fair way to find pot related fatalities whereas grog - go to any emergency ward during summer school holidays and you'll find kids getting their stomachs pumped - too much too quick.

I'll go with respiratory related illnesses but how much is related to the baccy u mix with the pot rather than the pot - who knows.

Bro - all due respect - this is a dumb argument driven by agendas other than public health outcomes.

 

[Flanagun]

Sniffer dogs are the only dogs I was ever really afraid of in my well spent youth lol.

I got stopped and searched by cops at Strathfield station one day…. Didn’t even have anything on me …just a peace pipe. They smelt the resin. Those guys were a pothead’s nightmare

I used to ride the rails with a bit of dope all the time … I’m lucky I only ended up with 2 cannabis cautions to show for it lol

 

[Doogie]

Sniffer dogs are the only dogs I was ever really afraid of in my well spent youth lol.

I got stopped and searched by cops at Strathfield station one day…. Didn’t even have anything on me …just a peace pipe. They smelt the resin. Those guys were a pothead’s nightmare

I used to ride the rails with a bit of dope all the time … I’m lucky I only ended up with 2 cannabis cautions to show for it lol

damn - and the world could have been a better place.

went to a party at Randwick in the late 80's. lots of model types, got an invite through a friend of a friend type thing. anyways, these big boys turned up and dumped maybe half a pound on the dining table and told the crowd to go for it. asked my mate - fck me - this could get heavy if the cops show up.

told me to pucker up - they are cops from Randwick police station. good times....