Fed Govt's new proposed voting legislation

[wendog33]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1453826060051574791

 

[Chris Harding]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1453826060051574791

Follows the voter suppression being implemented by the Republican party in the USA, designed to deny votes of targeted groups that don't support the conservatives.

We have no history of massive voter fraud (neither does the USA), so this is a furphy.

 

[wendog33]

Follows the voter suppression being implemented by the Republican party in the USA, designed to deny votes of targeted groups that don't support the conservatives.

We have no history of massive voter fraud (neither does the USA), so this is a furphy.

The divisive trends we have being rolled out here are very concerning. I called it years ago with the aspects of Trumpism and RWNJ infiltrating our politics

The "Australian Way" is changing for the worse.

 

[Wahesh]

Everyone has a Drivers Licence, Medicare Card, and bank card anyway. That's over 100 there.

 

[B-Train]

Pardon my ignorance as I haven't read too much into this but how is this such a bad thing?

Doesn't this help further prevent voter fraud? Wouldn't the vast majority of the population (even those in poorer communities) have 100 points of ID? And if not, do those that didn't vote in the first place?

 

[CroydonDog]

I'm not necessarily against having to prove identity somehow to vote, but the reasons behind this are so fucking dodgy, and provide yet another distraction from the REAL political and democratic issues we should be dealing with.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Pardon my ignorance as I haven't read too much into this but how is this such a bad thing?

Doesn't this help further prevent voter fraud? Wouldn't the vast majority of the population (even those in poorer communities) have 100 points of ID? And if not, do those that didn't vote in the first place?

Regional communities have difficulty accessing those services to get a voter ID

Poverty levels have some people having no fixed address in metro areas, again difficulty in these people receiving a voter ID through mail because they have no fixed address

Costs around this voter ID not identified, which again affects those poor people

That's the general type of things that affect getting a voter ID, we won't know more until the exact details of this is revealed. But as others have said voter fraud isn't really a problem in Australia, this is Trumpian politics

 

[Alan79]

This will possibly wind up with loads of people copping fines for not voting as well.

 

[CaptainJackson]

This will possibly wind up with loads of people copping fines for not voting as well.

"Fuck them, they're poor people", isn't this their mantra? they're unlikely to give a shit

 

[B-Train]

Regional communities have difficulty accessing those services to get a voter ID

Poverty levels have some people having no fixed address in metro areas, again difficulty in these people receiving a voter ID through mail because they have no fixed address

Costs around this voter ID not identified, which again affects those poor people

That's the general type of things that affect getting a voter ID, we won't know more until the exact details of this is revealed. But as others have said voter fraud isn't really a problem in Australia, this is Trumpian politics

But most people, even in those areas would have a combination of a driver's licence/passport/birth certificate, a Medicare card and a bank card wouldn't they?

I'm very anti-government on most things and am usually for those that are disenfranchised, but like I said, do those communities that this is more likely to impact vote heavily in the first place? If they don't have the credentials you've mentioned, then how were they able to vote before?

 

[N4TE]

I just want the sausage sizzle..

 

[steeliz]

The anti-vaxxers don't want to show proof of vaccination. As if they would want to show a drivers license, medicare card, passport or rates bill (which actually show real personal info) just to vote.

And they all tend to be conservative voters.

 

[CroydonDog]

The AEC predicts that voter fraud was 0.03% at the last federal election. There is no evidence that voter fraud has impacted any election.

False information, lying, corruption and pork barrelling by candidates on the other hand...

 

[Chris Harding]

Everyone has a Drivers Licence, Medicare Card, and bank card anyway. That's over 100 there.

Not sure that all remote communities have those.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Exactly the same as the US one. ID costs money and requires a home address. So it rules out the homeless and many Aboriginal communities.

 

[Chris Harding]

I just want the sausage sizzle..

Reminds me of Paul Keating's description of Peter Costello as "all sizzle; no sausage".

 

[Chris Harding]

Exactly the same as the US one. ID costs money and requires a home address. So it rules out the homeless and many Aboriginal communities.

Exactly so. It denies votes that won't go to the conservatives anyway; and appeals to the rednecks of their supporter base.

 

[Chris Harding]

But most people, even in those areas would have a combination of a driver's licence/passport/birth certificate, a Medicare card and a bank card wouldn't they?

I'm very anti-government on most things and am usually for those that are disenfranchised, but like I said, do those communities that this is more likely to impact vote heavily in the first place? If they don't have the credentials you've mentioned, then how were they able to vote before?

How does it work for postal votes?

 

[Tuffers]

Australian population is 25.7 million. Compulsory voting so turnout is high (92%, so approx. 23.6 million). How many cases of fraud in that number? 16 from last election.

How many legitimate people would be turned away from voting with new legislation? I expect it would be significantly higher than 16.

Good to see the government focusing on the important issues as usual.

 

[Chris Harding]

This will possibly wind up with loads of people copping fines for not voting as well.

Generally it is unwise to fine people for not voting if you've had a narrow victory. They might turn up next time, and vote against you.