Every team's strongest 17 for 2022

[D0GMATIC]

Aren't you just blaming a winger for not getting good service from his inside?

Always a Bulldog

They're both wingers, so I'm not sure what you mean. Okunbor scored 5 tries in 7 games, returning from a knee reco. That suggests to me Okunbor is a better finisher.

 

[Phalangist]

It definitely matters,particularly when he's not delivering.You want your wingers to score tries,Okunbor scored more tries and played about half as many games. Cotric has shown nothing to say he is more valuable to the team than Okunbor.

This is definitely a gee up hahahaha

 

[D0GMATIC]

This is definitely a gee up hahahaha

No gee up, I just think Okunbor offers more as a winger.

 

[TwinTurbo]

They're both wingers, so I'm not sure what you mean. Okunbor scored 5 tries in 7 games, returning from a knee reco. That suggests to me Okunbor is a better finisher.

We could go stat for stat;
Let's try tackle breaks 58 in 14 versus 15 in 7, I guess Cotric wins that one
Try assists, 1 versus 0, I guess Cotric wins that one too
Running metres per game, 130 versus 117, yep Cotric wins that one
Daily M Rookie of the Year + RLPA Rookie of the Year , 2 versus 0, (granted Okunbor did win the Steve Mortimer Rookie of the Year)
SOO games, 1 versus 0
Kangaroo games, 2 versus 0

Oh, I can think of a stat that Okunbor wins, contracts torn up & reinstated 1 versus 0.

Always a Bulldog

 

[Phalangist]

No gee up, I just think Okunbor offers more as a winger.

sure buddy

 

[Bulldogsteve]

We could go stat for stat;
Let's try tackle breaks 58 in 14 versus 15 in 7, I guess Cotric wins that one
Try assists, 1 versus 0, I guess Cotric wins that one too
Running metres per game, 130 versus 117, yep Cotric wins that one
Daily M Rookie of the Year + RLPA Rookie of the Year , 2 versus 0, (granted Okunbor did win the Steve Mortimer Rookie of the Year)
SOO games, 1 versus 0
Kangaroo games, 2 versus 0

Oh, I can think of a stat that Okunbor wins, contracts torn up & reinstated 1 versus 0.

Always a Bulldog

Its not even debatable, Cotric by length of the field

 

[D0GMATIC]

We could go stat for stat;
Let's try tackle breaks 58 in 14 versus 15 in 7, I guess Cotric wins that one
Try assists, 1 versus 0, I guess Cotric wins that one too
Running metres per game, 130 versus 117, yep Cotric wins that one
Daily M Rookie of the Year + RLPA Rookie of the Year , 2 versus 0, (granted Okunbor did win the Steve Mortimer Rookie of the Year)
SOO games, 1 versus 0
Kangaroo games, 2 versus 0

Oh, I can think of a stat that Okunbor wins, contracts torn up & reinstated 1 versus 0.

Always a Bulldog

Cotric may have more tackle breaks, but they were largely ineffective and amounted to nothing as lot of times he would just palm the first couple of defenders and run sideways . he wasn't bursting through tackles, creating line breaks or scoring tries.
Okunbors strike rate for scoring tries was way better 5 from 7 games (71.4%) Cotric only 3 from 15(20%)
Okunbors line breaks 4 from 7 games (57.1%) Cotric 7 from 15(46.6%)
Okunbors offloads 8 from 7games (114.2%) Cotric 10 from 15 ( 66.6%)
Okunbor missed tackles 6 from 7 games (.857 per game) Cotric missed 24 from 15 ( 1.6 Per game)

That would be 4-0 to Okunbor, making him more effective.
Okunbor is also 196 cms,11 cm taller making him a better target for our kickers and hard to out leap when we are defending kicks.
So Cotric isn't as effective or potent as Okunbor and he would be on 3 times as much money.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Cotric may have more tackle breaks, but they were largely ineffective and amounted to nothing as lot of times he would just palm the first couple of defenders and run sideways . he wasn't bursting through tackles, creating line breaks or scoring tries.

Is that Cotric's fault or the lack of players backing up his breaks?

strike rate for scoring tries was way better 5 from 7 games (71.4%) Cotric only 3 from 15(20%)
Okunbors line breaks 4 from 7 games (57.1%) Cotric 7 from 15(46.6%)
Okunbors offloads 8 from 7games (114.2%) Cotric 10 from 15 ( 66.6%)
Okunbor missed tackles 6 from 7 games (.857 per game) Cotric missed 24 from 15 ( 1.6 Per game)

Cotric only payed 14 games.

That would be 4-0 to Okunbor, making him more effective.

Depends on which stats we choose, shall we count up dropped balls that resulted in the opposition scoring tries?

is also 196 cms,11 cm taller making him a better target for our kickers and hard to out leap when we are defending kicks.

Provided he catches them of course.

So Cotric isn't as effective or potent as Okunbor and he would be on 3 times as much money.

Perhaps we need to ask the SOO selectors and the Kangaroo selectors who they rate higher.

Don't get me wrong I think Okunbor has potential, but right now Cotric is streets ahead.

Always a Bulldog

 

[D0GMATIC]

Is that Cotric's fault or the lack of players backing up his breaks?



Cotric only payed 14 games.


Depends on which stats we choose, shall we count up dropped balls that resulted in the opposition scoring tries?



Provided he catches them of course.


Perhaps we need to ask the SOO selectors and the Kangaroo selectors who they rate higher.

Don't get me wrong I think Okunbor has potential, but right now Cotric is streets ahead.

Always a Bulldog

We should ask the selectors why they haven't asked him back. He certainly wasn't in contention this year based on his form.

 

[Cujo]

We could go stat for stat;
Let's try tackle breaks 58 in 14 versus 15 in 7, I guess Cotric wins that one
Try assists, 1 versus 0, I guess Cotric wins that one too
Running metres per game, 130 versus 117, yep Cotric wins that one
Daily M Rookie of the Year + RLPA Rookie of the Year , 2 versus 0, (granted Okunbor did win the Steve Mortimer Rookie of the Year)
SOO games, 1 versus 0
Kangaroo games, 2 versus 0

Oh, I can think of a stat that Okunbor wins, contracts torn up & reinstated 1 versus 0.

Always a Bulldog

Perhaps all of those numbers are correct but at times stats can provide a skewed view of reality.
Just to be clear I am not a huge fan of either...
anyway.. anyone who watched a Cotric Dogs game would have to agree 85% of his tackle busts & meters gained are made crabbing sideways across the field..
If we were to get onto a value for $$$ discussion on the two then at Cotric $650k vs Okunbor $150k(?) should provide 4 times the output....not sure that he goes close to that...
Despite this i would prefer if Okunbor was playing waterpolo with his flippers-for-hands & Cotric was being paid overs elsewhere...bring back Sandy Campbell & Steve O'brien!!

 

[D0GMATIC]

Is that Cotric's fault or the lack of players backing up his breaks?



Cotric only payed 14 games.


Depends on which stats we choose, shall we count up dropped balls that resulted in the opposition scoring tries?



Provided he catches them of course.


Perhaps we need to ask the SOO selectors and the Kangaroo selectors who they rate higher.

Don't get me wrong I think Okunbor has potential, but right now Cotric is streets ahead.

Always a Bulldog

There was another stat that we didn't consider, Cotric played the first 4 games at centre. If you factor that in, his line break, offload and tackle break percentage would be much lower.Which is relevant if we're comparing them as wingers

 

[Bulldogsteve]

Perhaps all of those numbers are correct but at times stats can provide a skewed view of reality.
Just to be clear I am not a huge fan of either...
anyway.. anyone who watched a Cotric Dogs game would have to agree 85% of his tackle busts & meters gained are made crabbing sideways across the field..
If we were to get onto a value for $$$ discussion on the two then at Cotric $650k vs Okunbor $150k(?) should provide 4 times the output....not sure that he goes close to that...
Despite this i would prefer if Okunbor was playing waterpolo with his flippers-for-hands & Cotric was being paid overs elsewhere...bring back Sandy Campbell & Steve O'brien!!

the other option if duffty fails, which we wont imo, is JAC at fullback and Oki/cotric wings.

 

[Freakzilla]

the other option if duffty fails, which we wont imo, is JAC at fullback and Oki/cotric wings.

JAC & Cotric need to be the the wingers for the entire season. They are by far our best 2 wingers. 1 for his hitups and 1 for his tryscoring.

 

[S.B.W_Jnr]

JAC & Cotric need to be the the wingers for the entire season. They are by far our best 2 wingers. 1 for his hitups and 1 for his tryscoring.

Maybe our best wingers we've had since perrett and inu days.

 

[Bulldogsteve]

We need nigel vagana fuck what a player he was with us.

 

[Freakzilla]

Maybe our best wingers we've had since perrett and inu days.

The best since Hazem & Utai.

 

[COVENS]

Maybe our best wingers we've had since perrett and inu days.

The best since Hazem & Utai.

Our best wingers ever - but we're paying at least $1m a season for that privilege.

 

[Freakzilla]

Our best wingers ever - but we're paying at least $1m a season for that privilege.

Can’t call them the best ever until they prove it on the field for us.

 

[COVENS]

Can’t call them the best ever until they prove it on the field for us.

Just on talent

 

[Bulldog1966]

Should be a pretty good duo at least, Oko the big unit a good back-up.He is another guy(although their vastly different in stature)who will benefit off working with/around JAC.