ELLIOT

[PoundHounds]

I forgot to mention many missed tackled by Elliot that have lead directly to tries.

How many? When and where? He's been the least of our worries this year and always an easy target for this sort of rubbish criticism.

 

[Spoonman84]

All effort.... No IQ. I couldn’t believe how many tackles he fell off until someone pointed it out and I started paying close attention. If he is in the leadership group he must set high standards on the training park as he is easily in the bottom half when it comes to ability in our best 17.

The way Pay speaks about Elliott you’d be mistaken for thinking he was a 10 game Origin player.

 

[Cosmo24]

The way Pay speaks about Elliott you’d be mistaken for thinking he was a 10 game Origin player.

We’ve been mediocre for so long that we’ve just accepted players who are just ok

 

[Longtimedog]

All effort.... No IQ. I couldn’t believe how many tackles he fell off until someone pointed it out and I started paying close attention. If he is in the leadership group he must set high standards on the training park as he is easily in the bottom half when it comes to ability in our best 17.

Tolman Elliott Jackson.
Cant fault effort ,but zero impact between them

 

[KiwiDog7]

Tolman Elliott Jackson.
Cant fault effort ,but zero impact between them

Disagree on JJ

He was getting in behind the ruck plenty of times

Spot on with other 2

 

[EB18]

Tolman and Jackson cant be both starting in the middle. Add Martin on the edge its a midget starting pack. Choose one Tolman or Jackson. Id go Jackson hands down. Move Tolman to bench and start ogden. Id even consider dropping martin and putting rfm in his place.

Starting pack of ogden napa rfm chn and jackson. Its bigger stronger and more aggressive.

Bench of Lewis tolman elliot and faulolo.

 

[BondiBulldog]

How many? When and where? He's been the least of our worries this year and always an easy target for this sort of rubbish criticism.

Ok.. Well there was a blatant one in the Warriors game but specifically the one on one with Munster off the scrum that costs us the game.
There's been other's but I will not torture myself trying to find them.

I'm not saying he utter shit like Lichaa but definitely my least fav forward at the moment and definitely not a future captain.

 

[KiwiDog7]

Ok.. Well there was a blatant one in the Warriors game but specifically the one on one with Munster off the scrum that costs us the game.
There's been other's but I will not torture myself trying to find them.

I'm not saying he utter shit like Lichaa but definitely my least fav forward at the moment and definitely not a future captain.

I think Marley hit it on the head
Elliott is great when we have momentum and a bit of a lead

But sucks balls if we are in a grind or chasing

 

[kaluah8123]

Tolman and Jackson cant be both starting in the middle. Add Martin on the edge its a midget starting pack. Choose one Tolman or Jackson. Id go Jackson hands down. Move Tolman to bench and start ogden. Id even consider dropping martin and putting rfm in his place.

Starting pack of ogden napa rfm chn and jackson. Its bigger stronger and more aggressive.

Bench of Lewis tolman elliot and faulolo.

Tolman is a subsaver. Big minute workhorse who needs to start. Going back 3-4 years when there was a lot of people wanting him moved to the bench when we actually had outstanding depth in the forwards I would have preferred him in Reggie’s. His best attribute is his work rate. Take away his big minutes he was not worth having in the side.
Now he is 100% essential with what we have and does our jersey proud every week.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Tolman is a subsaver. Big minute workhorse who needs to start. Going back 3-4 years when there was a lot of people wanting him moved to the bench when we actually had outstanding depth in the forwards I would have preferred him in Reggie’s. His best attribute is his work rate. Take away his big minutes he was not worth having in the side.
Now he is 100% essential with what we have and does our jersey proud every week.

Yh but there's no point in giving him big minutes when there's no quality in his runs...been much better this season but tonight he was poor. No prop needs to play an entire half anyway, just poor use of the bench.

 

[kaluah8123]

Tolman is one forward in the pack that puts his hand up on 2-3 plays every set and it’s the job of the 9,7,6 to pick the best times to use him. Don’t blame Tolman, blame the playmakers.

Poor use of bench..... tick
No prop needs to play entire half.....tick.
Now that Napa is back Ogden deserves some of Tolmans minutes. We have 2x prop positions so 160 mins a game . In my opinion the below 4 are our best. What share of the 160 would you give them? You can’t be totally premeditated but the below is how i would run it.

Napa 50
Tolman 50
Ogden 40
Fualalo 20

 

[Mr Invisible]

Last weeks win "Elliott is frigging AMAZING"
This weeks loss "Elliott is fucking SHIT"

#thebipolarkennel

 

[Wolfmother]

Nothing wrong with Elliott

 

[top-dog]

He’s more than terrible he’s dead set rubbish

 

[GrogDog]

Makes the team on heart but time is running out for our mediocre players as proper FG players are recruited or are rising from lower grades. Hopefully by the end of the year names like Elliott, Lichaa, Brown, Montoya, quite possibly Holland etc are just memories.

 

[Dognacious]

Can’t believe Pay only gave Ogden 26 mins. FMD

Ive seen many coaches give new forwards smaller minutes when they start out, and increase them later. Or if we get injuries hes suddenly doing 60+ minutes anyway. I wouldnt read to much into the current usage.

 

[Packy]

I think Pay see's a Cam Murray but what we get is a Kane Cleal

 

[coach]

I think Pay see's a Cam Murray but what we get is a Kane Cleal

I think pay sees a shit roster and picks the best of the turds....

 

[Moey]

How many? When and where? He's been the least of our worries this year and always an easy target for this sort of rubbish criticism.

He has been fucking shit since the day he made FG. He is one major problem among many.

Toomaga , RFM before injury, chris Smith all deserve spots in front of him. Pay continually choosing him is a hindrance to the team and chance for better players to get a go.

 

[Mr Shhh]

I think pay sees a shit roster and picks the best of the turds....

Too many turds unfortunately.