Opinion Do you rate the English players?

[Moedogg]

I thought Lomax and the left side Center winger were pretty good. They totally out played Manu and Rapana . I think Rapana has defensive issues but Lomax was on fire....good acceleration and passing game.

Any other stand outs that you like to see in a dogs Jersey?

 

[The_Chimpster]

I don't watch enough Super League to be a proper judge but to answer your question, no from what I've seen I don't rate the pommys

 

[Bob dog]

SL is still entertaining but the defense is soft, maybe Bennett is passing on some tips.

 

[beastwood89]

Luke Thomson

 

[Kempsey Dog]

I rate alot of them, Lomax and Daryl Clark would be excellent acquisitions to our side.

 

[Moedogg]

I rate alot of them, Lomax and Daryl Clark would be excellent acquisitions to our side.

Lomax offers way more than Hoppa in attack.

 

[Howard Moon]

surprised there aren't more out here tbh

 

[Bob dog]

George Burgess is a joke, if he did that in any other sport he would be banned for life.

 

[JayBee]

What are we talking about here?

I struggle to really grasp at how "good" English players are tbh.

History suggests that their forwards can cut it in the NRL, but their backs are woeful. In the last 10 years, we have had at least a dozen or so backs try to cut it here, and all left with the tails between their legs.

Sam Tomkins, Zac Hardaker, Richie Mathers, Dan Sarginson, Joe Burgess, Greg Eden...

The list goes on. They all came, tried, and failed - yet they have all played for their country.

The last good back I can remember from England would be Jack Reed (and he came up through the juniors in QLD).. and to go even further back it would be Brian Carney, and he is Irish!

 

[Moedogg]

What are we talking about here?

I struggle to really grasp at how "good" English players are tbh.

History suggests that their forwards can cut it in the NRL, but their backs are woeful. In the last 10 years, we have had at least a dozen or so backs try to cut it here, and all left with the tails between their legs.

Sam Tomkins, Zac Hardaker, Richie Mathers, Dan Sarginson, Joe Burgess, Greg Eden...

The list goes on. They all came, tried, and failed - yet they have all played for their country.

The last good back I can remember from England would be Jack Reed (and he came up through the juniors in QLD).. and to go even further back it would be Brian Carney, and he is Irish!

Callum Watkins, Josh Charnley and Ryan Hall are NRL standard.

 

[JayBee]

Callum Watkins, Josh Charnley and Ryan Hall are NRL standard.

No disrespect, you probably watch much more ESL than I do. But just because they are the best in the league, and consistently good, means nothing. Big fan of Watkins (Leeds fan) - but I do not believe you can make such a statement as per the above. What are you basing your findings on? For me, that kind of statement is unfounded. Not until they have tested themselves against an NRL opposition week-in week-out and perform can you grade them NRL standard, and not just a one-off game, can you claim they are NRL standard. Obviously it is your opinion, I just don't know what you can possibly base it on.

I am sure people would of though Tomkins was NRL standard some 6 years ago- Man of Steel winner in 2012. Fails in the NRL.

Big fish in a small pond IMO. Says a lot for the standard of a league when a winger in the NRL wins the man of Steel.

Also - note. I am huge fan of the league. If it's on, I will watch it. Better quality league from a spectators perspective IMO.

 

[Wahesh]

I don't rate any of them except George Burgess and James Graham. They are good, tough, old-school players, while the rest are shit. Sam Burgess is a cat. The other Burgess does nothing. Widdop is over-rated. The rest are nothing as well!

 

[CroydonDog]

What are we talking about here?

I struggle to really grasp at how "good" English players are tbh.

History suggests that their forwards can cut it in the NRL, but their backs are woeful. In the last 10 years, we have had at least a dozen or so backs try to cut it here, and all left with the tails between their legs.

Sam Tomkins, Zac Hardaker, Richie Mathers, Dan Sarginson, Joe Burgess, Greg Eden...

The list goes on. They all came, tried, and failed - yet they have all played for their country.

The last good back I can remember from England would be Jack Reed (and he came up through the juniors in QLD).. and to go even further back it would be Brian Carney, and he is Irish!

Sam Tomkins arrived with a LOT of fanfare. The most i'd seen for an Englishman for some time. He was an utter failure. You would have to go back a fair way to find an English/Welsh back who really made an impression in Australia. (Connolly? Davies? Offiah? Hanley?).

The tough men forwards like Graham and Adrian Morley were able to cut it.

 

[JayBee]

Sam Tomkins arrived with a LOT of fanfare. The most i'd seen for an Englishman for some time. He was an utter failure. You would have to go back a fair way to find an English/Welsh back who really made an impression in Australia. (Connolly? Davies? Offiah? Hanley?).

The tough men forwards like Graham and Adrian Morley were able to cut it.

100% agree with you.

Hence why my argument is laid out specifically for backs. There forwards, especially the ones who want to dig in and have a cracker, have largely been fantastic.

Theres about 10 Morelys/Burgesses/Ellisseseses for every Lee Mossops lol. With backs though, it swings the other way round.

 

[Moedogg]

No disrespect, you probably watch much more ESL than I do. But just because they are the best in the league, and consistently good, means nothing. Big fan of Watkins (Leeds fan) - but I do not believe you can make such a statement as per the above. What are you basing your findings on? For me, that kind of statement is unfounded. Not until they have tested themselves against an NRL opposition week-in week-out and perform can you grade them NRL standard, and not just a one-off game, can you claim they are NRL standard. Obviously it is your opinion, I just don't know what you can possibly base it on.

I am sure people would of though Tomkins was NRL standard some 6 years ago- Man of Steel winner in 2012. Fails in the NRL.

Big fish in a small pond IMO. Says a lot for the standard of a league when a winger in the NRL wins the man of Steel.

Also - note. I am huge fan of the league. If it's on, I will watch it. Better quality league from a spectators perspective IMO.

I'm not basing on anything rather than their ability to compete against NRL standard players representing Australia and NZ. I'm not saying they will be superstars but I'm confident that they will be better than some of the fringe first graders running around in the NRL based on the skills that I've seen.

 

[Shanked]

they haven't produced any decent backs in a while, and the halves have been even worse

 

[Nexus]

And yet an Englishmen won the golden boot ... lol. What a laugh..

 

[mrsimit]

And yet an Englishmen won the golden boot ... lol. What a laugh..

Critics of the Golden Boot winner appear to have completely overlooked the criteria for judging - Brad Fittler in particular. I can't argue with the general consensus on this thread regarding English backs in the NRL, but Makinson has been fantastic in each of his international appearances this year.

 

[Nate DAWG]

Critics of the Golden Boot winner appear to have completely overlooked the criteria for judging - Brad Fittler in particular. I can't argue with the general consensus on this thread regarding English backs in the NRL, but Makinson has been fantastic in each of his international appearances this year.

What is the criteria? Best representative player? His win of the Golden Boot has lessened the value of the award. He was no standout in the last game I saw him play against NZ. Barely NRL standard. Taukeiaho's performance against oz was better than anything that winger did. I don't even think he was nominated.

 

[Dognacious]

Gary connolly was good for us way back when. What about great balls Offiah.

They don't have nrl standard backs as frequently as they have good forwards. They do produce some good forwards. It's the style they play over there. The forwards all have a bit of mongrel in them.