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Ok guys, didn't make this thread to punch on over Des. I would just like to know who are the majority, pro-Des or anti-Des.
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Vote away.
Our roster isn't so much the issue, the style of play we have doesn't suit our players.It depends on whether you think our roster is shit or that its the coaches fault we are shit.
2016 will be a repeat of 2013-15, I cannot see how anything will be different unfortunately. Our squad this year was supposed to be better then last, yet in some games in 2014 you thought we could challenge for the title. Only time I saw us look really dangerous this year was against Melbourne at Belmore.Our roster isn't so much the issue, the style of play we have doesn't suit our players.
That's right. I try and think of reasons to why we play so slow and boring, only thing I can think of is if we play a fast up tempo game it was kill our big guys and we will get hammered late in the game. whos knows man, im over it.2016 will be a repeat of 2013-15, I cannot see how anything will be different unfortunately. Our squad this year was supposed to be better then last, yet in some games in 2014 you thought we could challenge for the title. Only time I saw us look really dangerous this year was against Melbourne at Belmore.
you are exactly right. One thing I have always noticed is when and if you want to play a flat style, you need fast spiral passes to get the player before the defence is breathing down your neck. all our passes are slow and floaters. by the time our players catch the balls they are getting smashed by defenders.Overall, I've become anti-Des.
Des is great at developing a culture of belief among players and building a club culture.
However, the execution of our on-filed style of play continues to be below what is required in the modern game, and Des doesn't seem to evolve it to counteract this.
Des talks a lot about completions and holding the ball, but never about what's causing the errors, and how to fix them.
Our attacking structures are so flat, that players receive the ball while jogging or at stand-still, while the opposition defence is already all over them. Lafai, for one, must hold the NRL record for most hospital passes received. Surely standing a little deeper would take some of that pressure of our attackers, and give the some more room to run straight and at pace.
It almost seems that Des is so focused on forwards, that he's neglected our halves, our kicking game, and our back-line plays.
I feel that we have a strong roster right now, and that's partially thanks to Des. Sometimes I feel that the difference between us being contenders, rather than not, has been down to the talent of individuals within our team, as opposed to well constructed game plans or styles of play.
Spot on. Does Mbye ever throw spiral passes?That's right. I try and think of reasons to why we play so slow and boring, only thing I can think of is if we play a fast up tempo game it was kill our big guys and we will get hammered late in the game. whos knows man, im over it.
you are exactly right. One thing I have always noticed is when and if you want to play a flat style, you need fast spiral passes to get the player before the defence is breathing down your neck. all our passes are slow and floaters. by the time our players catch the balls they are getting smashed by defenders.
Only player iv seen use them is cook. but that was in his 1st two games, now he also is just passing floatersSpot on. Does Mbye ever throw spiral passes?
May I ask in what game were we *devastating* in this year? only the Melbourne game at belmore we played our best game of the year, and we only won that game 20/4Pro des.
People complain about the way we play, but when it clicks, were devastating.
Our problem is ball security and discipline.
I seriously doubt des is telling them to drop the ball and give away penalties on the 4th and 5th ?
There are a few other things with his coaching that I don't agree with. I think one major issue everyone has overlooked is why do our players never have leg drive when taking hit ups?
other than klem and kas, we succumb to a tackle way to easy.
I know many wont agree with this, But Tolman style of a forward is useless now days. Sure he has great defence, but he is way to slow and gets dominated far to easy in tackles, play the balls are far to slow for the modern game.
The reason why we did not win the premiership was not because we cheated the cap, it was because we got caught, given up by some mole working in the office that hadThe problem is i still think our 2002 - 2006 squad was a result of us cheating the cap and had it not been for that we wouldn't have a squad that good which would've casted a doubt on whether or not we would've won the premiership in 2004.
I've never truly rated our squad in the past few years, Des is to blame for some recruitment choices but he has also overachieved with our squad. I doubt any other coach would make it to the Grand Final with a back three of Perrett, Thompson and Brown along with a halves pairing of Hodkinson/Reynolds. Our geniune chance came in 2012 when Barba was an absolute star and we should've tried much harder to replace him instead of buying a winger and expect him to be a fullback that is just as good.
Des did win 2 premierships and make 3 Grand finals between 2007 - 2011. That Manly squad was far more talented than ours atleast in the key positions, when was the last time a team won the competition without proper halves? or a proper fullback? We underachieved under Folkes and i still believe we are overachieving with Des, but he honestly needs to start recruiting better players instead of relying on inadequate ones
exactly. Reynolds will be 27 next year. If you cant kick or pass by that age then fu3k.I agree so much with your post. We can't carry both Tolman and Graham we lost soo much grunt.
I think he is a great coach but need to get this idea of not dropping players out of his head it might have worked at manly but it ain't working here. Both perrett and lafai should have been dropped by round 7 or 8.
Yes you made renoylds and he has peaked to the best he will ever be now send him packing.