Coronavirus.

[wendog33]

Very serious outcomes predicted by staff of John Hopkins.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/23/covid-us-spike-cases/

 

[Lov_Dog]

better get the hydroxy at the ready .. oh wait ..

 

[Realist90]

Lol so strong, so smart.......

 

[Realist90]

Leftist logic lol

 

[south of heaven]

France 45,000 cases in 24hrs, world wide there's roughly 6000 deaths a day with this massive European spike and us leading into winter will be interesting to see the stats in 30 days

 

[The DoggFather]

I did a few flight lessons with Basair out of Bankstown airport many years back. As fun as it is scary.

Wanted to get my pilot license but it's just way too expensive.

Basair? Sounds like an Al Qaida name lol

 

[Raysie]

After over 100 days, we are finally free in Melbourne!

 

[The DoggFather]

After over 100 days, we are finally free in Melbourne!

Enjoy you partial freedom my bro!

 

[south of heaven]

7000 dead worldwide 24hrs , I don't understand the mental implications people from Victoria went through but fucking really lining up to get into Kmart at fucking midnight?to go shopping fmd

 

[Hacky McAxe]

The assault on physicians and science must end

We will not allow political intimidation and fear-driven rhetoric to undermine the hard-won patient trust so critical to beating COVID-19.

www.ama-assn.org

American Medical Association

LEADERSHIP
The assault on physicians and science must end
Susan R. Bailey, MD
President

The patient-physician relationship, foundational to the profession of medicine and healing, relies on open and honest dialogue and an unwavering trust that we are making decisions about our patients’ health and livelihoods free of undue influence or conflicts of interest. The same is true for our public health institutions and our health system at large—especially in a time of great urgency and crisis.

During this COVID-19 pandemic, physicians are unfortunately fighting a two-front war. Already facing one of the greatest threats to public health in generations, we have been pulled into a public battle we did not want over the very legitimacy of our work and our motivation.

The assault on public health and the undermining of efforts to defeat COVID-19 began with unfounded suspicions about the science and evidence of this novel coronavirus and how it spreads. It grew with speculation about harmful and unproven treatments for COVID-19, false claims that masks were a source of infections, and by misleading suggestions that increased testing alone explains why case counts are surging.

It expanded again with inaccurate, dangerous statements about children being “almost immune” from the most serious effects of COVID-19, a reckless plan of “focused protection” and naturally acquired “herd immunity” as a pathway out of this pandemic, and most recently with wild and highly offensive claims that physicians are inflating the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths to increase our incomes.

At every turn, at the highest levels of government, our motives and efforts are undermined, questioned and discredited in a misguided attempt to downplay the seriousness of the pandemic we continue to fight.

Many physicians, nurses and other health care personnel have died, and many more have fallen ill, while treating our patients. Public health officials have been threatened and intimidated, prompting some to retire or quit critical positions. All have worked tirelessly and under considerable stress and strain to turn the tide against COVID-19. We know these numbers surely will grow in the weeks ahead as the accelerating pace of this pandemic places enormous pressure on our already crowded hospitals and front-line physicians and first responders.

A continued campaign of misinformation and disinformation at this urgent hour is an unconscionable betrayal of the public trust that jeopardizes our work and endangers lives.

Read more...

 

[Dawgfather]

The assault on physicians and science must end

We will not allow political intimidation and fear-driven rhetoric to undermine the hard-won patient trust so critical to beating COVID-19.

www.ama-assn.org

It grew with speculation about harmful and unproven treatments for COVID-19, false claims that masks were a source of infections,

It's true that masks can be a source of infections when worn incorrectly and constantly adjusted (which they frequently are).

It expanded again with inaccurate, dangerous statements about children being “almost immune”

It's true, children can catch the virus, but the comment about them being 'almost immune' is also true. A tiny tiny percent have actually died (most actually do not even develop symptoms).

a reckless plan of “focused protection” and naturally acquired “herd immunity” as a pathway out of this pandemic,

You mean the same plan Sweden has used successfully to the point where they are one of the only european nations without an increasing number of deaths in the second wave?

and most recently with wild and highly offensive claims that physicians are inflating the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths to increase our incomes.

I understand these claims to be true (although admittedly I haven't read up a lot on them) - however there were indeed financial payments predicated on the diagnosis of COVID19.

 

[south of heaven]

It's true that masks can be a source of infections when worn incorrectly and constantly adjusted (which they frequently are).

It's true, children can catch the virus, but the comment about them being 'almost immune' is also true. A tiny tiny percent have actually died (most actually do not even develop symptoms).

You mean the same plan Sweden has used successfully to the point where they are one of the only european nations without an increasing number of deaths in the second wave?


I understand these claims to be true (although admittedly I haven't read up a lot on them) - however there were indeed financial payments predicated on the diagnosis of COVID19.

It's true a female can get pregnant even when her partner wears a condom but for the better part it helps

 

[Dawgfather]

It's true a female can get pregnant even when her partner wears a condom but for the better part it helps

The claim in the AMA letter was this: "false claims that masks were a source of infections "

I was just pointing out that on many occasions, masks are indeed a source of infection.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

It's true that masks can be a source of infections when worn incorrectly and constantly adjusted (which they frequently are).

It's true, children can catch the virus, but the comment about them being 'almost immune' is also true. A tiny tiny percent have actually died (most actually do not even develop symptoms).

You mean the same plan Sweden has used successfully to the point where they are one of the only european nations without an increasing number of deaths in the second wave?


I understand these claims to be true (although admittedly I haven't read up a lot on them) - however there were indeed financial payments predicated on the diagnosis of COVID19.

I literally just had this debate with a friend and I pointed out that Sweden wasn't so successful and wasn't as open as everyone thinks. Plus a bunch of other stuff. But unfortunately I don't have the time to go over that again right now.

 

[Dawgfather]

I literally just had this debate with a friend and I pointed out that Sweden wasn't so successful and wasn't as open as everyone thinks. Plus a bunch of other stuff. But unfortunately I don't have the time to go over that again right now.

Fair enough.

Sweden's average deaths per day have been below 5 since July 25th. Despite having zero mandates for masks, or for lock downs.

But we keep hearing how effective masks are....certainly don't seem to be necessary in Sweden who are doing better than most other european nations right now.

 

[MatstaDogg]

It's true a female can get pregnant even when her partner wears a condom but for the better part it helps

I'd rather raw dog it, just for the thrill. Pull out game is pretty strong too....oh wait, I've got two infections also known as, my kids

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Fair enough.

Sweden's average deaths per day have been below 5 since July 25th. Despite having zero mandates for masks, or for lock downs.

But we keep hearing how effective masks are....certainly don't seem to be necessary in Sweden who are doing better than most other european nations right now.

Don't really have time to get into it right now but the big thing from analysis is that Sweden has a very low population density.

 

[Dawgfather]

Don't really have time to get into it right now but the big thing from analysis is that Sweden has a very low population density.

Ok - so what is the population density at which the tipping point occurs and masks become necessary?

and btw, i don't (necessarily) disagree with the idea masks might be a good idea in close quarters - for e.g. a small doctors surgery or a hospital emergency department where people may attend who are high risk (already sick with serious illnesses).

But clearly this mask policy would need to have reference to the current infection count (e.g. if there are less than 10 or 20 infections per day, clearly masks are an unnecessary hindrance).

 

[south of heaven]

Over 7 thousand dead 24hrs world wide, over 80,000 cases in us and a thousand dead where's this corner they were turning?

 

[Dawgfather]

Over 7 thousand dead 24hrs world wide, over 80,000 cases in us and a thousand dead where's this corner they were turning?

Tend to agree, Trump's narrative of turning the corner is hard to believe in when cases are rising.

If I could point out one thing, it would be this.

In April and May the U.S. had average death rates of 2000-2500 while only having 30,000 cases per day.

Now in October they are having an average death rate of 800-850 while experiencing 70,000 - 80,000 cases per day.

So the average death rate is ~66% lower, at the same time as cases numbers are ~60% higher.

That is a massive improvement.