Coronavirus.

[The DoggFather]

The guards should of been given extra temporary powers like we had when OPEC was in Sydney.

Plus they shouldn't of hired pussy "guards" which more than likely would of been Indians who are only static guards.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Police involvement in these sorts of things is a lot more complex than people realise. Police are an enormous resource on the tax payers. They are a required tax expense but a single officer costs a lot. Paying them to guard a hotel when you can sub it out to another company for a fraction of the cost is just logical. Putting police officers there also means that they're diverted from their other duties. You're not going to hire officers just for this one task.

It's a real issue in the security industry. They recently released new rules on police responding to alarms that requires that police only be dispatched by an A Grade rated monitoring centre, and only dispatched with actual confirmation of a crime in progress. And any security company that accidentally breaks those rules multiple times (like sending police to false alarms) gets black listed meaning that police will consider any alarms from that company to be low priority. A black listed monitoring centre basically get screwed.

All these new rules come in because police resources are drawn thin and response times from police are getting longer and longer putting lives at risk.

 

[The DoggFather]

Yep that's the key takeaway from this, especially given that we're facing a pandemic that no one has faced before nor is there a proper set of rules of how to deal with it and the fact that scientists are finding out new things as they go along.

Have to edit this, except for Trump. He's willfully harming his people because it's affecting his re-election chances. Hes a POS

Must be a Republican thing as Bush willfully killed his own people too.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

The guards should of been given extra temporary powers like we had when OPEC was in Sydney.

Plus they shouldn't of hired pussy "guards" which more than likely would of been Indians who are only static guards.

They kind of have enough power already. Legally a security guard can do a citizens arrest if someone is breaking the law.

But yeah, that's another problem. So many security guards that don't speak a word of English.

Don't think that was the problem here though. The problem was that the security guards weren't given proper instructions. That and they got a bit too horny.

 

[The DoggFather]

Police involvement in these sorts of things is a lot more complex than people realise. Police are an enormous resource on the tax payers. They are a required tax expense but a single officer costs a lot. Paying them to guard a hotel when you can sub it out to another company for a fraction of the cost is just logical. Putting police officers there also means that they're diverted from their other duties. You're not going to hire officers just for this one task.

It's a real issue in the security industry. They recently released new rules on police responding to alarms that requires that police only be dispatched by an A Grade rated monitoring centre, and only dispatched with actual confirmation of a crime in progress. And any security company that accidentally breaks those rules multiple times (like sending police to false alarms) gets black listed meaning that police will consider any alarms from that company to be low priority. A black listed monitoring centre basically get screwed.

All these new rules come in because police resources are drawn thin and response times from police are getting longer and longer putting lives at risk.

At some places I have managed before, we had to hire police. They were Riot Control (as not to interrupt normal police activity) and cost us $130p/h per officer.

 

[The DoggFather]

They kind of have enough power already. Legally a security guard can do a citizens arrest if someone is breaking the law.

But yeah, that's another problem. So many security guards that don't speak a word of English.

Don't think that was the problem here though. The problem was that the security guards weren't given proper instructions. That and they got a bit too horny.

Most people don't know that a guard has the exact same powers as a civilian.

But with special circumstances and without going into details, some of us were given more powers or more "leeway"

 

[Hacky McAxe]

At some places I have managed before, we had to hire police. They were Riot Control (as not to interrupt normal police activity) and cost us $130p/h per officer.

Yep. They're not cheap. And that's the subsidised rate. You pay $130p/h and the taxpayer pays the other $100p/h

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Most people don't know that a guard has the exact same powers as a civilian.

But with special circumstances and without going into details, some of us were given more powers or more "leeway"

We had a pub manager who would use the old, "Take them outside"

Which had different meanings depending where they were. If you were inside then it meant to throw them out and block re-entry. If they were already outside and he said it again, it meant they did something really bad and needed a trip to the alley.

 

[kungfuman]

Yep that's the key takeaway from this, especially given that we're facing a pandemic that no one has faced before nor is there a proper set of rules of how to deal with it and the fact that scientists are finding out new things as they go along.

Have to edit this, except for Trump. He's willfully harming his people because it's affecting his re-election chances. Hes a POS

Didnt Queensland Labour have an election during the pandemic?

 

[The DoggFather]

We had a pub manager who would use the old, "Take them outside"

Which had different meanings depending where they were. If you were inside then it meant to throw them out and block re-entry. If they were already outside and he said it again, it meant they did something really bad and needed a trip to the alley.

The good old 86...

Goes back to Mob run Vegas. 8 miles out, 6 feet deep lol

 

[Dawgfather]

Police are an enormous resource on the tax payers.

You know what else is an enormous resource on tax payers? Shutting the entire Victorian state economy and forcing people to stay home.

 

[The DoggFather]

You know what else is an enormous resource on tax payers? Shutting the entire Victorian state economy and forcing people to stay home.

So you against lock downs?

 

[Dogna88]

The guards should of been given extra temporary powers like we had when OPEC was in Sydney.

Plus they shouldn't of hired pussy "guards" which more than likely would of been Indians who are only static guards.

Second paragraph hit the nail on the head.

 

[The DoggFather]

Second paragraph hit the nail on the head.

You know me, i call it as I see it. It's not racist if it's the truth. Not saying it was only Indians that were pussies and a liability to the rest of my crew but every Indian I dealt with were pussies and I put them on Carpark and perimeter patrol, to protect my boys, the patrons and the client.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Didnt Queensland Labour have an election during the pandemic?

I believe they did but with the proper precautions taken they didn't get an outbreak.

Let me make it clear, this is day by day management. Because of the the many variances and unknowns you can't be too confident of success of planning ahead.

Before the Victorian outbreak, it seemed that Victoria had handled this better than every other state but just one variable changed all that.

Other states are susceptible to that same anomaly and no amount of planning is going to stop things slipping through the cracks eg those three girls who crossed the Qld border and passed it on to others.

 

[CaptainJackson]

You know me, i call it as I see it. It's not racist if it's the truth. Not saying it was only Indians that were pussies and a liability to the rest of my crew but every Indian I dealt with were pussies and I put them on Carpark and perimeter patrol, to protect my boys, the patrons and the client.

Its a result of profits before results, ie unregulated capatilism.

Give capitalists a free reign and they'll have kids in the mines again.

 

[The DoggFather]

I think the wings both have to grow the fuck up, become partisan and do whatever is needed to control this bullshit.

 

[Mr 95%]

The guards should of been given extra temporary powers like we had when OPEC was in Sydney.

Plus they shouldn't of hired pussy "guards" which more than likely would of been Indians who are only static guards.

These two articles explain why Victoria’s Government and Andrews as head of that government must face responsibility for what’s happening in Victoria at the moment..they cannot escape blame..

Melbourne's hotel quarantine bungle is disappointing but not surprising. It was overseen by a flawed security industry

The Victorian government was using a sector known for its non-compliance with minimum labour standards for an important public safety job. That decision has come back to bite it.

www.google.com.au

Hotel quarantine contract between security company and Victorian Government revealed

A contract between the Victorian Government and one of the security companies hired for hotel quarantine shows it was the company's responsibility to ensure guards undertook infection control training.

www.google.com.au

 

[Cook]

What do Indians have to do with this? Wasn’t a major factor guards taking money to let people out for the day.

 

[The DoggFather]

What do Indians have to do with this? Wasn’t a major factor guards taking money to let people out for the day.

Might be nothing. Just a good example of weak guards that helped cause this bullshit. Because they were un-tendered, more than likely they got the cheapest company and they would be the cheapest company because they pay Indians 8-12 dollars cash per hour.

Just commenting on my 14 years in the industry that they aren't suited to be decent guards due to the reasons I have already mentioned.