News Bulldogs Overcome Adversity In Scary Warning To Rest Of NRL

[DinkumDog]

Broncos - Sexton dumb pass to Preston, Mahoney rushing out of line.

Raiders - Burton giving away soft 7 tackle set, missed his defensive assignment forcing Kikau to give away set restart, Burton basically did 3 stupid things to leak the first try and gift huge momentum swing.

Our spine especially Burton and Sexton recently, just need to avoid silly mistakes for the first 10-15 mins and we will burn anyone with fitness.

People seem to forget how young our halves are. Burto just turned 25 and Sexy is 24. OK Burto has been in firsts for 5 years but he started very young and in one of the most stacked teams in recent history before coming to a club at rock bottom that had just started its rebuild and who went backwards under Barrett. As leaders I don’t expect them to be at their peak yet - especially when compared to say Munster and Hughes who are both 30 and 5 years seniority/experience in the NRL is an eternity. Night and day. I also think Gus and Ciro know this and that’s why they stick with them and don’t rush out with the bandaids for a DCE or Galvin (whose teams were both well beaten yesterday).

 

[CaptainJackson]

Ok let's start with the Canbra game, we didn't miss the start, they did get some assistance;
At 2 mins we get penalised and they score
At 10 mins we get penalised and they score, only to have it disallowed.
At 15 mins we get penalised and they score
At 22 mins Canbra score
At 36 mins we get penalised and they score

So 4 out of their 5 tries were “penalty assisted”, with 1 disallowed.


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Adam Gee stayed out of that game, he gave obvious penalties. It's up to us not to give away those obvious penalties

 

[DinkumDog]

Fantastic. @TwinTurbo is offering more ‘analysis’ so the bed wetters can find reasons to blame referees .

 

[TwinTurbo]

I get your point, but on top of the lack of discipline which can come down to laziness and lack of concentration at the start, we dropped balls, missed tackles we usually don't, in the first 15 mins we gave them a seven tackle set which got them down field to score. We can't just look at the penalties given away but what happened prior to get them in that position. We were at fault in many instances and didn't even look like we were there and were losing in every statistic of the game in the first half.

We missed the start.

It’s impossible to tell what effect the penalties have on the score line, but what is indisputable is without penalty assistance they scored 1 try.

Sure we can blame ill discipline for the penalties but if that’s the case why/how do we suddenly become more disciplined?

For me the turning point in this game was when at 27 mins we mounted a successful Captain‘s Challenge. After that we got penalised just once before half time and they scored immediately after.

We didn’t give up a penalty from then until 78 mins.

Is it magic that we suddenly become perfectly disciplined, light switch turned on. I find it interesting.


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[TwinTurbo]

Fantastic. @TwinTurbo is offering more ‘analysis’ so the bed wetters can find reasons to blame referees .

Observations of facts. If you want to have a fact based discussion then let‘s go. But if you go off on your “conspiracy theory” rant then no thanks.


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[CaptainJackson]

They're quite small stats from a penalising point of view. I also didn't think our first penalty (when it was claimed Kiraz was pushed over the dead ball line) a penalty, should have been play on

 

[CaptainJackson]

We didn’t give up a penalty from then until 78 mins.

Is it magic that we suddenly become perfectly disciplined, light switch turned on. I find it interesting.

That was due to momentum, when you have momentum, you have less potential penalty occurring incidents happen. When you're on the backfoot, you have more potential penalty occurring incidents that can go against you

 

[DinkumDog]

Observations of facts. If you want to have a fact based discussion then let‘s go. But if you go off on your “conspiracy theory” rant then no thanks.

Huh? .
’Facts’ - as you see them then say ‘it’s impossible to tell what effects penalties have on scorelones’ - but proceed to ‘analyse’ things anyway. As for ‘conspiracies‘ - who in their same post said ‘I find it interesting’ when unable to explain anything after said ‘analysis‘? That’s a conspiracy right there, Chief.

We started poorly, we came good and we won. The referee had almost zero impact. They are the ‘facts‘.

 

[Marki]

What were the penalties for tho?
Isn't that the issue?
Our genuine fault where we will need to improve on them or all made up by the ref?

Yes. This is very important.
There's one thing to cry about with the ref having a subjective influence on the game, and another where you give the ref no choice but to penalise you.

I think the key take away from both Broncos and Raiders games is being able to adjust so you can stop momentum.

Its not the end of the world to cop back-to-back tries. Its when you let it get to 3 tries on the trot when you start to lose control of the game.

Had we kept Broncos to just 2 tries from our early mistake and momentum shift, our second half showed we would have reeled them in. But we let in about 5 tries in a row. Thats just asking for it.

Copping 20 against Raiders in Canberra was also suicidal. Fortunately we managed one of our best comebacks and stormed over them.

But you cant bank on tyat kind of performance. You need to limit the momentum danage to less than 12 points to give yourself a chance for when you finally do swing the momentum.

Thats the key

 

[wendog33]

Let's just have the analysis of the penalties and see if there's any correlation to teams scoring against us, with us loosing momentum and it altering "artificially" our possession in games.

I suspect there will be factors in all the penalties and 6 agains awarded against us.

There'll be little or big factors; justified or unjustified issues of fault that refs find.

The biggest factor may be that the penalties/6 agains that we should be awarded just aren't forthcoming to the same degree they go against us.

Who knows?
All we do know is that it's an area that needs to be addressed and no doubt will be to the best degree that Ciro and the players have control over.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Huh? .
’Facts’ - as you see them then say ‘it’s impossible to tell what effects penalties have on scorelones’ - but proceed to ‘analyse’ things anyway. As for ‘conspiracies‘ - who in their same post said ‘I find it interesting’ when unable to explain anything after said ‘analysis‘? That’s a conspiracy right there, Chief.

We started poorly, we came good and we won. The referee had almost zero impact. They are the ‘facts‘.

Once again you don't debate facts with facts, you drift off into the conspiracy nonsense. Whilst at the same time you know full well I don't aspire to the "conspiracy against us" thinking, it's ridiculous and we both know it.


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[Benno Bulldog]

Bruh, we just had to climb Everest, mind you in canberra mind you against the 2nd best team in the NRL right now. we bashed 32 unanswered points with a near perfect 2nd half performance. Take the W be happy. We are the real deal.

Really bombed the Tracey try and couple goals it was such a dominating display

 

[D0GMATIC]

Broncos - Sexton dumb pass to Preston, Mahoney rushing out of line.

Raiders - Burton giving away soft 7 tackle set, missed his defensive assignment forcing Kikau to give away set restart, Burton basically did 3 stupid things to leak the first try and gift huge momentum swing.

Our spine especially Burton and Sexton recently, just need to avoid silly mistakes for the first 10-15 mins and we will burn anyone with fitness.

No side is error free. We need to stop compounding our errors, with more errors and penalties

 

[oldpuppy]

Against quality opposition, we're not going to blow them off the park in the first 20 min. The onus is on us to play clinical and create frustration and not get frustrated ourselves chasing clutch moments too soon.
The win over the raiders was one we'll never forget anytime soon. Credit to our team who somehow found a way and condensed 80min of footy into a brilliant second half and secured a great win.

 

[DinkumDog]

Once again you don't debate facts with facts, you drift off into the conspiracy nonsense. Whilst at the same time you know full well I don't aspire to the "conspiracy against us" thinking, it's ridiculous and we both know it.

Classic. If you don’t go down the rabbit hole of ‘conspiracy against us’ then why say the likes of ‘It’s magic we became perfectly disciplined not giving away a penalty until 78min‘. You are firmly trying to find fault in the refereeing exactly as your Sutton argument. Only this time we won. Adam Gee did NOT influence the outcome of this game no matter what you go digging for. And that’s why you’d get laughed out of the room at Rugby League Central with your ‘analysis‘.

 

[run straight]

Stoked with the result. But will admit I thought we were in big trouble at half time. Been a while since we have had a team that looks so well connected and enjoying their footy.


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[Grunthos]

I hope we learnt lessons from both Bronco's and Raiders games, but did we really?
Why did we come out so slow out of the blocks on the weekend?
Like the Bronco's game, we should have been up for it from the start. It was a highly anticipated game and we missed the start. Ok, it happens and we showed fight to win the second half. Lessons to be learnt.
Did we take those lessons out of that game and bring them to the Raiders game? I say not. We missed the start again in a highly anticipated game. Amazingly and credit to the team and coaches, we came away with the win this time.
Do this against Melbourne and unlike the above they won't be so complacent.

Today, Ciro will be all over the players about starting well and trying to find the answers as to why we didn't. We have to take lesson and understand why we have had these starts rather than give pats on the back for the finish because the celebrations are over and into this week where we need to start fast and if we do, we can blow away any team.

Btw, I'm not putting a dampener on the win, it was one of the best comebacks I have seen and feel so proud.

It's not about the dog in the fight, it's about the fight in the dog.

Some tough love here, but well said.
You can't win a premiership by giving away 20 points in the first half, then hopefully clawing your way back for a win.

 

[GA45]

Burton basically did 3 stupid things to leak the first try and gift huge momentum swing.

Our spine especially Burton and Sexton recently, just need to avoid silly mistakes for the first 10-15 mins and we will burn anyone with fitness.

Not saying Burton wasn’t rubbish early against Raiders. But that second try when Burton came up and in and Xerri stayed out and Weekes just hit the hole and Scored.

Is that a miscommunication defensively by the left edge or is that Burtons fault as the inside man not trusting Kiks ?

Burton for mine should have been HIA protocol at this stage after the first try where he looked gone. Played poorly for the next twenty defensively

 

[Dogs4EVA-1]

People seem to forget how young our halves are. Burto just turned 25 and Sexy is 24. OK Burto has been in firsts for 5 years but he started very young and in one of the most stacked teams in recent history before coming to a club at rock bottom that had just started its rebuild and who went backwards under Barrett. As leaders I don’t expect them to be at their peak yet - especially when compared to say Munster and Hughes who are both 30 and 5 years seniority/experience in the NRL is an eternity. Night and day. I also think Gus and Ciro know this and that’s why they stick with them and don’t rush out with the bandaids for a DCE or Galvin (whose teams were both well beaten yesterday).

Yeah Burto isn't "Young" anymore... He needs to play way better in both attack and defence...
The issue with our 7 is becoming alarming especially towards the back end of the year... Sexy just isn't it...
But we have no other options currently.. Maybe someone becomes available June 30 for the rest of the year only??

 

[Alan79]

Bro, 100% agree and can't be happier with the win but I'll say it again, do it against the likes of Melbourne and give them a 20-30 point start and we may not be able to run them down. All I am saying is this week has to be about making sure we take lessons out of the slow start and be a more consistent 80 minute team, which is what is required to win this comp. Don't worry Bro, we are in the trenches together lol

If memory serves me correctly, we were about one better pass away from scoring three tries in that first half despite the mountain of posession. Salmon put one down when he was within 5m of scoring. He catches that pass and I think he is our first scorer in the broken play. Xerri pegged a pass at Montoya who put it down. Might have required good footwork to score still, but it was a close thing against the overwhelming flow of posession. And the third one I think also in the first half (maybe I'm wrong in that) was when we crossed the line and due to desperate defense we didn't ground the ball. I'm thinking it was Tracey, but again I'm not certain.

I do get what you are saying. Giving away a 20 point lead in a half of football makes it difficult to win. And ultimately if there was a way to avoid conceding big starts we need to find it. But all the tries against us came off the back of refs calls. Either penalties or set restarts got them in the attacking zone and kept them there. But we can't control the ref. I saw Morrin (I think) hit with a shoulder to the jaw, the likes of which we copped 10 in the bin for highlighted during our captain's challenge. It overturned our lost ball but no penalty was awarded. We can't control that because obviously if we'd made that shot I think we cop a man in the bin given evidence seen in recent games.

This wasn't the worst refs performance against us. But we can only win with the ball in hand and when we got some posession we capitalised on it and won in an impressive comeback.