Bulldogs can't bring in stars for three years: CEO

[sheep dog]

Why are you blaming the NRL. It's almost as though some people think that the Bulldogs board is really just some sort of voluntary, amateur group who organise chook raffles and prawn nights. Canterbury are a company that contracts to the NRL to supply a footy team. They have to produce evidence to the NRL that they are playing within the rules each year at the start of the season and then it is up to them to manage their own business. Hill has already confirmed we are cap compliant this year. That's all we have to be. Next year is a problem for next year. It's an absolute disgrace that we have this problem coming up, but that reflects 100% on the Dogs and has nothing to do with the NRL.

Fuck the nrl bunch of rigged ***** betting on who they want and need to win

 

[Snowmann]

We're paying for Suli? The fuck? These ***** said we won't pay player to play for another club yet we're paying for Suli who was here for 2 weeks?

Surely we only paid his bus money to fuck off right?...

 

[GoTheDoggies]

You've got to laugh at Dib Politis trying to increase the cap figure. Two premierships by 2019 my arse. Dib & Clown Castle wanted to scrape top 8 and keep back ending deals. Des was the coach but Dib & Castle are the ones who bow to the ridiculous requests. To top it off they put another extension on the table for Des.

So glad we got a clean out at board level because that is where the ridiculous decisions were approved.

 

[LordSidious66]

Least it's 5 players and not 14 as stated in the media.

 

[Bull Terrier]

Least it's 5 players and not 14 as stated in the media.

Yep thats Kent for you. Laughing at us on nrl 360 the other night pretending they were managers at other clubs and who were they going to take from the 14. All picked klemmer and mybe

 

[KiwiDog7]

Raelene Castle was out of her depth in her role and fkd us just as bad as Des after all she rubber stamped his requests

 

[Oatley Dog]

Fuck the nrl bunch of rigged ***** betting on who they want and need to win

Give me a break. They couldn't give a rats who wins games or the comp. They get their cash regardless. It's the clubs who are dependent on winning, not the NRL. Why do you think the cap is so important to them? It's so the playing field can be kept as level as possible to ensure the broadest level of interest from fans.

 

[Spoonman84]

Raelene Castle was out of her depth in her role and fkd us just as bad as Des after all she rubber stamped his requests

Apparently the Wallabies didn’t ask anyone at the Dogs about Castle! How do you think they feel now haha

 

[dogwhisperer]

Have a feeling dogs leaked doomsday news to journalists so it would help soften the blow

Are you sure it’s a feeling?

 

[dogluva]

How are we paying for Moses suli that is horrible mismanagement

He was signed as a development player at Manly from us this year on 60k to play Jersey Flegg; how can we be paying for him? or are we paying the difference between what his contract amount would be and what Manly is paying? Nothing makes sense about that situation at all. If he has now been promoted to the full time squad he would be on a minimum of $70,000 (for players 27-30 in 2018 increasing at $2,500 p.a until 2022). Screwed.

 

[Realist90]

Pay is a rookie coach 10 games in with an inherited roster and a club with enormous problems who have just written off every season for the next 3 years. No coach except some absolute fraud in it for the money is going to want to come here until we fix things.

Shit is going to get a hell of a lot worse than it is now, this is only the beginning.

People are going to have to come to grips with our new reality. Buckle up and embrace the inevitable pain train.

My problem is people don’t give a fuck about results lol. They’re happy with. “Pay is a bulldog througha Nd through and will instill a dogs of war mentality”.
But the fact is he has none of that!

 

[Daustin]

this almost forces us to just go and sign some junior players on minimum wage and offer them a go, might be shit for a few years but could also turn out to be a smart move in the long term. As long as we have a nucleus of good players we could still go alright for the 3 years ahead. Im just sad to see the morris boys especially josh go on terms like this. Has been a wonderful player for our club and shouldve been able to go out on his own terms. Lets start a petition to get rid of tolman and hope we can resign josh

 

[_G-Dog_]

How are we paying for Moses suli that is horrible mismanagement

And thats the current admin.. just saying

Our cap situation is bad but not as ****ed as media reports last few days

No way Klemmer is going

 

[UndeadShadowMan]

Thought Des was a high school maths teacher well the **** can't add up for shit. So that's two clubs he has screwed over wonder what club is dumb enough to be the lucky third.

 

[sheep dog]

What’s the new board doing/done though? Besides keeping a dud coach who has them by the heart coz he says dogs of war at the right times and blames everything besides his own coaching style.
If they sack the coach the board will be progressing in the right direction, but they’re the same as the old board

Duzz dean owe you money or did he pick on you at school

 

[Magilla]

Wasn't Suli booted for being a dick? How do we pay for that?

Good question.

 

[justdogs]

Margie McDonald & Michael Chammas
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Thu 17 May 2018, 06:01 PM
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Canterbury will only be salary cap compliant next year if they fill their five remaining positions with players on the minimum wage.

Chief executive Andrew Hill admits it could be three years before the club has "clear space" to sign high-profile players.

At a media briefing before their fan forum on Thursday night, the Bulldogs revealed they:

• Were salary cap compliant for 2018;
• Had 7-10 players on back-ended deals throughout 2019 and 2020;
• Had half a dozen players with ratchet clauses;
• Had 25 of 30 spots filled for next season with more than $500,000 to spend;
• Were not actively shopping players around but would be open to discussions;
• Were paying for five players at other clubs.

The Bulldogs will be letting three international players go at the end of the year – Greg Eastwood, Brett and Josh Morris – but that won't be the end of the pain.

Hill rejected speculation that the club was way over its cap for 2018 and would have to shed players.

"We are cap compliant for 2018 – not significantly under it - but we are under it," Hill said.

"We are not actively selling any player or shopping them around to be salary cap compliant. We will be compliant for 2019.

"And we're starting to embark on 2020. We will have clear space by 2021."

Eastwood and the Morris twins, who are off contract this year, release $2.2 million but that money has already been largely taken up by back-ended deals and ratchet clauses for players contracted to the club in 2019.

For 2019, even though the NRL cap rises from $9.4 million to $9.6m for the top 30 squad, the Bulldogs have "between seven and 10 players" on back-ended deals.

There are also "half a dozen" players with ratchet clauses in their contracts where their pay increases each year as the cap goes up. Hill would not divulge which players for privacy reasons.

"At the time the club signed some of these deals they obviously were working on the cap being north of $10 million," Hill said, not naming the previous administrators involved headlined by former chairman Ray Dib, chief executive Raelene Castle and head coach Des Hasler.


"I wasn't here so I don't know how or why or who. It was before my time. My focus is now and that is to future-proof the club.

"We will manage our cap diligently and become a club focused on development."

Hill said they are in the market for five players. The catch is they have little to spend.

He addressed reports that Parramatta were after David Klemmer, while the Titans and Cowboys have been circling Moses Mbye. Both players are not off contract until 2020 but are believed to be on back-ended deals.

Hill began his tenure at the club in November. New chairwoman Lynne Anderson swept to power in February. Neither official was told about the dire salary cap situation before they took office.

"We were looking in from the sidelines and thought there was something really wrong," Anderson said.

That was based on the fact the Bulldogs did push former captain James Graham out the door in 2017 "solely because we had to become cap compliant", Hill said.


Graham is one of five players the Bulldogs are still carrying part of their salaries in their cap – the others are Brenko Lee (Titans), Brad Abbey (Raiders), Sam Kasiano (Storm) and Moses Suli (Manly).

Asked if he felt let down by the previous administration, Hill said: "I see it as a great challenge for Dean (Pay) and myself.

"We'll get through the next period because we have wonderful and experienced people in key roles."

The Bulldogs have set up a retention and recruitment committee comprised of Hill, Pay, board member and former premiership-winning coach and player Chris Anderson, general manager of football Andrew Farrar, recruitment manager Warren McDonnell and finance manager Vince Costa.

"Dean will have a large say in who we recruit," Hill said. "But the coach won't be meeting players and managers on his own. We will not offer ratchet clauses moving forward, and we will avoid back-ended contracts."


Pay is contracted until the end of 2019. But Anderson hinted extending Pay's tenure at Belmore was high in her thinking.

Anderson and Hill were due to tell club members and supporters the salary cap situation at a fan forum at Canterbury Leagues Club on Thursday night.


ARL Commission chairman Peter Beattie and NRL boss Todd Greenberg were also due to address members on the plan to grow rugby league. The Bulldogs are the first of all 16 clubs they are visiting to talk directly to supporters.


Source: https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/05/17...ign-high-profile-players-for-three-years-ceo/

I'll say this; FUCK HASLER, FUCK DIB, FUCK AUNTY and above all FUCK NRL

 

[Horse]

@Mr Invisible

 

[dogluva]

Well the good news is that when a junior comes through he is usually signed for peanuts for the first 3 years (eg. Manu/Mitchell/Holmes/Jackson) and then it is their second contract that goes to the moon so that means if we find someone coming through next year we should have a couple of years after that where we have to find the money and with so many players coming off contract in the next couple of years we shouldn't find ourselves in that state again. Our biggest problem was that we had to buy established players in because we ignored the juniors and that crippled our SC with the escalations.

I agree with you but don't put it past some clubs if we can bring someone really talented through to try and go just that much more than we could to retain him. Yes our cap situation will eventually ease but we won't be wanting to create further issues. Penrith had to pay somewhere around 600k a year for Nathan Cleary when he hit grade ( he is a massive talent and a great half which are as scarce as hen's teeth but I hope you get what I mean.)

It looks like those in charge now will not be wanting to repeat those terrible mistakes made by the previous coach and administration. All we can do is ride it out and have faith.

 

[terrylamb4lyfe]

My problem is people don’t give a fuck about results lol. They’re happy with. “Pay is a bulldog througha Nd through and will instill a dogs of war mentality”.
But the fact is he has none of that!

Culture isnt something you can fix overnight.

Pay doesn't have the team he wants and is dealing with an absolute shit show.