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People committed suicide with this contact with Porter as well.

My own daughter was hit up for $5000. She works but had irregular hours starting in her new job.

She faithfully submitted her actual hours worked as it was needed for Family Payment Part 2 (not Part I think). They averaged out her yearly income with a letter some 2 years later. The onus was on her to prove she didn't owe it and she didn't have the extensive records and was in a very upset and distressed state.

I volunteered to help her navigate the endless paperwork but she didn't have the necessary proof paperwork they insisted on at the appointment as they changed the requirements...after that you couldnt go to Centrelink. They banned you from a face to face and you had to ring, on hold for hours.

She gave up and tearfully asked us to lend her the 5000k and we did.

Since that day, she and her husband have refused all government tax breaks and all payments bc she is fearful she will be put through that process again.

I worked it out that they have lost several thousand dollars over the past 4 years by not receiving those legislated payments that young families receive but I could not convince her to change her mind. She wanted nothingbto do with them and was totally disillusioned.

It burns me to think of all the innocent families who couldnt cope and the 2000 people they say killed themselves.
 

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I state for the record that traditional cinnamon donuts will always be superior to any crap Krispy Kreme put forward :-).
Fucking hell. Speaker. I call for the help honourable member of Dinkum to be escorted off the premises due to talking compete and utter bollocks.

Cinnamon donuts superior. Why I never.

Out with the. Out
 

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Fucking hell. Speaker. I call for the help honourable member of Dinkum to be escorted off the premises due to talking compete and utter bollocks.

Cinnamon donuts superior. Why I never.

Out with the. Out
Geez Tassie - next thing you’ll be telling me you like ‘glaze’. Pfffft :-).
 

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Her friend, who is a Liberal member, was just on Q&A.

She too had a sexual assault incident happen in PH she wanted to report to the Pm's office along with other accusations from other women.

She was told by his staff write a letter.

They have never contacted her again about her matter and she is a Liberal Party member. There is a culture of cover up by the Liberal Party atm.

She said her friend wanted to sign her police statement and through no fault of hers there was a delay due to C19. But there was a valid police statement by her nevertheless. She put together a police statement her friend says but the delay was with the police.

She put together the 31 page brief of evidence corroborating her side of the story and she had diary entries also.

She was mentally unwell due to being raped her friend says. Most women can relate to that. The frustration of not being listened to is mentally challenging. It tipped her over the edge apparently.

Her friend on Q&A is Dhanya Mani:
Twitter: "What the fuck is this country's problem with feminists in the public eye? Every feminist advocate is mercilessly bullied & sexually degraded at best. Yet we relive our trauma so others don't have to suffer. The real issue is a fucked up misogynistic need to tear us down. #auspol

Now she is being abused and attacked for pointing out her friend's plight and acting as an advocate for her story.

I am just adding my voice.

We should not be arguing about a reported sexual assault. Her case has evidence available and has not been thoroughly tested by police to the vast majority of the Australian public.

Go on social media, the media, blogs, opinion pieces and you will find that the overwhelming sense is that although he cant be convicted in a court of law, in the interests of the claimed victim who has a right to be heard, there needs to be a remedy by a retired High Court judge looking at the accusation.

We agree on all aspects except the need for an enquiry.

I dont know what else I can say to justify an enquiry where all the issues she raised can be presented.

I guess we will have to leave it there.

There was no offence meant but I felt strongly that you guys just don't get it and I wanted to put a womans point of view.

An enquiry would satisfy the accuser's side of the story and it seemed that she has been dismissed as a flawed nutter which is wrong.
Sorry but that doesn’t make sense and you don’t usually write your own police statement for one. As I’ve said the Police were extremely patient with her. This is probably because it was high profile and police management are all about arse covering and seem to care a lot more when it’s political. With her mental health being so bad and her story having many holes she wouldn’t usually be given the time of day by most police which is very sad but just the truth.

You are completely wrong to say this as a woman rubbish and make out we won’t sympathise or condemn sexual assault.
You know nothing about us and what we have done to help a lot of women. I also know when things aren’t right and this isn’t. I don’t honestly don’t think you’d be like a dog with a bone on this if it was a Labor politician. I’m happy to leave it here. I’ve had to repeat myself quite a few times and am pretty busy.
 

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Sorry but that doesn’t make sense and you don’t usually write your own police statement for one. As I’ve said the Police were extremely patient with her. This is probably because it was high profile and police management are all about arse covering and seem to care a lot more when it’s political. With her mental health being so bad and her story having many holes she wouldn’t usually be given the time of day by most police which is very sad but just the truth.

You are completely wrong to say this as a woman rubbish and make out we won’t sympathise or condemn sexual assault.
You know nothing about us and what we have done to help a lot of women. I also know when things aren’t right and this isn’t. I don’t honestly don’t think you’d be like a dog with a bone on this if it was a Labor politician. I’m happy to leave it here. I’ve had to repeat myself quite a few times and am pretty busy.
Happy to leave it there. I've set out my points where I believe I have greivances with the replies from a couple of you. If you go back you will find they were quite cavallier and the room has not been read well.

This is a very pivotal moment for a lot of Australian women who want change and are not just going to get fobbed off any longer with cover ups by politicians and lack of leadership from the top.

There is a sense of having to explain this to men as a kind of duty. It just occurred that this thread was where I have tried to explain the frustrations of women whose complaints are not adequately dealt with by police, politicians and now this case has highlighted it for Australian women...the intransigence of people in power to govern for half the population and ensure female victims rights are heard.

I don't think her friend did say she did write her own Police Statement. It was prepared in consultation with Police from what her friend said on Q&A.

It just doesnt add up for a lot of concerned men and women (there are actually more men on social media demanding an investigation) to accept what you state is her bad mental health. Women who went to school with her say she was a brilliant mind. Men in her debating teams say she was the brightest of the bunch. Whilst still supposedly being a nut case, she has convinced many people she is telling the truth.

Part of this problem for many many women is that it seems like every woman that steps up to have a say, report sexual assault etc is branded either a troublemaker or a nutcase. It seems more about brand the complainant as unworthy, rather than listen and evaluate the complaint.

Yes I guess I have been like a dog with a bone. It was never to insult Dogs supporters on here who don't agree. I see DD and yourself have been offended. I really don't know why. Where was nothing insulting said but I accept you feel aggrieved. There were some pretty dodgy things said to me but as in the past I have not held a grudge.

"You are completely wrong to say this as a woman rubbish and make out we won’t sympathise or condemn sexual assault."

I am very sorry you have both taken that extreme view out of what I've said and can see why you'd be outraged. At all times I have kept the debate to this particular case, not the wider issue. I have explained womens concerns in that wider context for perspective to explain those very womens views.

It's the way I'm wired. I see so many short, sharp indignant or insult comments on here about all kinds of subjects so I try and put a human face on issues like Robodebt and sexual assault and abortion issues etc. and probably no doubt drone on about all the side issues (as women are want to do :grinning:

My purpose was to try and generate a discussion about justice for a claimed victim of sexual assault and finding a way to have this woman's grievances heard as seems her right in a democracy but as usual it all turns into something else when trying to explain.

There are men who believe in our justice system working for all parties in issues like this unfortunate case.

The discussion probably went off the rails when it was reduced to individuals claiming he looked guilty or he looked like he is telling the truth and the real issue of there being 2 parties who need justice served was lost.
 

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You seem to be claiming some level of expertise and insider knowledge about this matter. Can I ask what your qualifications are and how you came by this insider information? Going around claiming expertise and providing no detail is a bit of a dick move. If you can't elaborate on your qualifications or inside knowledge, trying to use those things to point score doesn't really work.


I think it makes you a person in need of psychiatric evaluation, tbh.

The only kind he knows how to be.
Meh it is a dream mate
 

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Porter also turns a blind eye to Communist's trying to run Newcastle as a separate state with its own laws.
This guy seemed more pissed off he was forced to front the media and deny.
He had no feelings for the alleged victim.
 
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Porter also turns a blind eye to Communist's trying to run Newcastle as a separate state with its own laws.
This guy seemed more pissed off he was forced to front the media and deny.
No feelings for the alleged victim.
Communism is something you don't want trust me
 

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I see DD and yourself have been offended. I really don't know why. Where was nothing insulting said but I accept you feel aggrieved. There were some pretty dodgy things said to me but as in the past I have not held a grudge.
No Wendy, I’m neither offended nor aggrieved - you simply have no right to tell me how I should feel because it’s different to how you feel - and that’s exactly what you did: ‘you should change your opinion on this’. As I said yesterday and as you’ve proven with your tomes, it’s an emotional discussion for you and that’s fine. No idea why you’re trying to be uppity about grudges - that’s just weird.
 

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Do you know if you leave violence out of media it eventually dies because your not feeding the wolf that breeds it?
 

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No Wendy, I’m neither offended nor aggrieved - you simply have no right to tell me how I should feel because it’s different to how you feel - and that’s exactly what you did: ‘you should change your opinion on this’. As I said yesterday and as you’ve proven with your tomes, it’s an emotional discussion for you and that’s fine. No idea why you’re trying to be uppity about grudges - that’s just weird.
Uppity?

But I just said I don't hold grudges. I've even had people register and log on to other Bulldogs sites as Wendog as their handle for instance and don't hold a grudge.

Uppity? Dinkum I am not the only one on here who hands out surmons.

If you want an apology for me saying the generic... "you should change your opinion on this" then would you do me the honour of accepting my humble apology. No one was specifically named in that post but if you want to pull me up, so be it.

I guess I really assumed (again) that a simple generic statement like that could be sensibly discussed and that the bigger message I was attempting to convey would have made sense. It clearly didn't.

Best if I never engage again in a discussion with either you or Natboy bc opinions and writings can so easily offend.

It wasn't the genuine purpose of the conversation, so please ignore me in future as I'm probably a bit uppity and also poor at comprehension and writing skills and have no wish to tell anybody what to do or have any real influence on how Dogs fans act. Ashamed of myself for giving anyone that impression.
 

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Uppity?

But I just said I don't hold grudges. I've even had people register and log on to other Bulldogs sites as Wendog as their handle for instance and don't hold a grudge.

Uppity? Dinkum I am not the only one on here who hands out surmons.

If you want an apology for me saying the generic... "you should change your opinion on this" then would you do me the honour of accepting my humble apology. No one was specifically named in that post but if you want to pull me up, so be it.

I guess I really assumed (again) that a simple generic statement like that could be sensibly discussed and that the bigger message I was attempting to convey would have made sense. It clearly didn't.

Best if I never engage again in a discussion with either you or Natboy bc opinions and writings can so easily offend.

It wasn't the genuine purpose of the conversation, so please ignore me in future as I'm probably a bit uppity and also poor at comprehension and writing skills and have no wish to tell anybody what to do or have any real influence on how Dogs fans act. Ashamed of myself for giving anyone that impression.
Playing the victim now, OK :tearsofjoy:.
I did not sign up to another site with your name.
Nor do I have any ‘dupe’ TK accounts (another one of your previous assertions).

Let’s be clear - the last thing I want from you is an apology. Just let it go Wendy - focus on that axe you’re grinding for Christian Porter.
 

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Playing the victim now, OK :tearsofjoy:.
I did not sign up to another site with your name.
Nor do I have any ‘dupe’ TK accounts (another one of your previous assertions).

Let’s be clear - the last thing I want from you is an apology. Just let it go Wendy - focus on that axe you’re grinding for Christian Porter.
Ok that's a good idea :grinning:
 
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