Australian Political Discussion Thread 3.0

After France said they will recognise a Palestinian state in September and the UK said they will recognise a Palestinian state if Israel doesn't broker a ceasefire, now Australia and 14 other Nations have signed a joint declaration saying they will recognise the state of Palestine.
 
Hacky McAxe said:
And Michaelia Cash (Liberal Shadow Foreign Minister) criticised Albo for these comments saying that he didn't put enough blame on Hamas. In her defence she did say that the delays in aid by Israel are unacceptable, but she also said that everything that is going wrong is the fault of Hamas.

Too many people are playing politics with innocent lives. From the start it was straight forward. Hamas carried out atrocities and Israel responded with war crimes. Hamas are terrorists and they need to be removed, but you don't do that by carrying out genocide against an entire population.

Australia needs to cut off all support for Israel and push for an acceptable end to the war. Hamas removed from power, a newly elected Palestinian government, and Palestine recognised as a state. If Israel refuses to agree to that, put sanctions on them. Sure, it won't mean much unless the US do it, but if all other countries unite then there's a chance the US will back down.
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Hamas already offered to abdicate their role in Gaza, to completely disappear on the condition that Palestinians were responsible for setting up a new government, Israel rejected it.
 
CaptainJackson said:
Hamas already offered to abdicate their role in Gaza, to completely disappear on the condition that Palestinians were responsible for setting up a new government, Israel rejected it.
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I believe they also offered to demilitarise Gaza. Basically everything anyone would want but Israel didn't accept the fact that they'll have to agree to not bomb Gaza.
 
CaptainJackson said:
This isn't for kids, their motives are keeping track of their citizens.
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The government isn't controlling the authorisation. The bill just says that the onus is on the social media companies. They need to determine a person's age in a sufficient way. It doesn't detail how they'll do it.

When it comes to YouTube it's a lot more relaxed. It only stops kids from creating accounts. They can still watching YouTube if they aren't logged in.
 
Hacky McAxe said:
The government isn't controlling the authorisation. The bill just says that the onus is on the social media companies. They need to determine a person's age in a sufficient way. It doesn't detail how they'll do it.

When it comes to YouTube it's a lot more relaxed. It only stops kids from creating accounts. They can still watching YouTube if they aren't logged in.
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This is how it starts Hacky. This is step 1, then it moves onto the next steps. There will be a LNP government in the future and the right wing has a higher tendency to put these factors into place, so now that Labor have opened the gate for them, future governments can go further into the field. The overton window keeps on slipping to the right because liberals are pussies in any kind of fight back to move it back.

While I understand parents concerns in the rabbit holes that the internet provides, this is not the way to combat it. Parents should be monitoring their kids, social media companies actively push right wing algorithms (because it gets them the most clicks). I'd rather laws combating that then a digital ID.

With the Gaza situation we're seeing a whole bunch of doxing and ending of people's professional lives. The gate to digital ID's should never be opened and this is step 1 in that process.

I'll also add in as an example the crackdown on protests by both Labor and the LNP in showing that the overton window keeps on slipping to the right.
 
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Doogie said:
well - without AI thats a pipedream.

So why are we not protesting AI?
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It should be, so should've cambridge anayltica's use of facebook. Palantir is a problem with this at the moment.

The options we (citizens) have is protest and elections. Hence when elected government's introduce these type of laws (e.g digitla IDs), our options are to show dissatisfaction, protest.
 
CaptainJackson said:
It should be, so should've cambridge anayltica's use of facebook. Palantir is a problem with this at the moment.

The options we (citizens) have is protest and elections. Hence when elected government's introduce these type of laws (e.g digitla IDs), our options are to show dissatisfaction, protest.
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Yep. If an anti tech platform jumped up tomorrow. Got my vote. But it's got to be all in. No half ass shit.
 
Doogie said:
well - without AI thats a pipedream.

So why are we not protesting AI?
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We should be protesting AI 100%, I have done some work in AI and written code that uses neural networks for engineering uses with error detection for quality checks in manufacturing, that is all it should be good for to be honest (used for checking and finding when things are wrong)...

It doesn't need to be involved in social and community aspects/decisions at all, it doesn't need to be crammed into every piece of technology thinking its helpful, it is just a fkn buzz word solution used to raise the prices on technology by a lot; why does my TV, fridge and even phone that is IoT compatible need to have some bullshit AI in it, what solution is it trying to solve that we can't already with existing cheap techniques?

For example, a fridge is a closed loop system with very proven control methods to regulate temperatures and etc, even with basic IoT features it is enough...

Things like phones and everyday use CPU/GPU don't need "AI cores", regular people don't need AI, it just drives up the cost of things for no reason, if you want/need AI then it should be a niche that comes with a cost for the hardware if you really want it just like many specialty things in this life...

The NVIDIA CEO talking about how AI will be used in workplaces was fkn scary, he kept pushing the idea it will help by doing the bulk of the work for engineers and programmers, **** wants to see people lose their ingenuity and be phased so his company can keep selling the AI hardware lol...
 
Nano said:
We should be protesting AI 100%, I have done some work in AI and written code that uses neural networks for engineering uses with error detection for quality checks in manufacturing, that is all it should be good for to be honest (used for checking and finding when things are wrong)...

It doesn't need to be involved in social and community aspects/decisions at all, it doesn't need to be crammed into every piece of technology thinking its helpful, it is just a fkn buzz word solution used to raise the prices on technology by a lot; why does my TV, fridge and even phone that is IoT compatible need to have some bullshit AI in it, what solution is it trying to solve that we can't already with existing cheap techniques?

For example, a fridge is a closed loop system with very proven control methods to regulate temperatures and etc, even with basic IoT features it is enough...

Things like phones and everyday use CPU/GPU don't need "AI cores", regular people don't need AI, it just drives up the cost of things for no reason, if you want/need AI then it should be a niche that comes with a cost for the hardware if you really want it just like many specialty things in this life...

The NVIDIA CEO talking about how AI will be used in workplaces was fkn scary, he kept pushing the idea it will help by doing the bulk of the work for engineers and programmers, **** wants to see people lose their ingenuity and be phased so his company can keep selling the AI hardware lol...
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There are some benefits to AI in general user computers. Mainly for reducing power consumption and getting more performance with weaker chipsets. Like you're seeing in the newer Asus laptops. Not so great for phones though. That's more marketing.

AI's best benefit is for scientific purposes. Speeds up research and data analytics.
 
Hacky McAxe said:
AI's best benefit is for scientific purposes. Speeds up research and data analytics.
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As someone who works as an operational scientist. Nah. U can do computationally heavy things like ensemble modelling without AI.

I know. Done it for 10 years just using cloud.

Every decent pointyhead I know (and if u think im hard on koalas, should see some of my peer review work), avoids ai like the plague. Except to speed up writing papers. That's it.

I agree with @Nano , it's a con. And your gunna con people, how would u do it? Soft release, train people to accept it as part of daily life. And then ramp it up when they think they cannot live without at.

Same as social media. Same strategy, same people. Go figure.
 
Before anyone thinks I am anti technology nutter and etc due to my dislike of AI bullshit, I work as mechanical/mechatronics engineer so I have a lot of experience with modern techniques and technology including studying and writing code that uses AI...

The issue is when the fkn CEOs of big chip designers and manufacturers (NVIDIA is the worst for this at the moment) come out declaring the future is only AI now and it will do xyz for you (most of xyz are easy tasks people should be able to do and keep doing to keep their skillset active), but only if you buy our over priced and useless hardware, fuck right off lol

Hacky McAxe said:
There are some benefits to AI in general user computers. Mainly for reducing power consumption and getting more performance with weaker chipsets. Like you're seeing in the newer Asus laptops. Not so great for phones though. That's more marketing.

AI's best benefit is for scientific purposes. Speeds up research and data analytics.
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Having good controller code can achieve the same thing especially with simple and classical closed and feedback systems to be honest plus probably at a better price for sure, I have done PID tuning so I can see where AI could come into play with it, but when you start introducing so many issues that are human or random environment errors it just best to have educated people looking after developing/improving the controls...

I do agree that its best use is for is in scientific, engineering and large data crunching based areas

Doogie said:
As someone who works as an operational scientist. Nah. U can do computationally heavy things like ensemble modelling without AI.

I know. Done it for 10 years just using cloud.

Every decent pointyhead I know (and if u think im hard on koalas, should see some of my peer review work), avoids ai like the plague. Except to speed up writing papers. That's it.

I agree with @Nano , it's a con. And your gunna con people, how would u do it? Soft release, train people to accept it as part of daily life. And then ramp it up when they think they cannot live without at.

Same as social media. Same strategy, same people. Go figure.
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For sure, I am pretty sure all that "AI hardware" bullshit just costs more than doing it with hardware that can run classic algorithms and time step/numerical based simulations including the time to code and set it up lol...

I went to give a talk at my old uni for an engineering class dealing with mechanical design as a guest, my God kids are getting so dependent on all these AI chat bots now to do simple work and they came off pretty dumb to me, how are they going to survive when a black out happens lol...
 
Nano said:
Before anyone thinks I am anti technology nutter and etc due to my dislike of AI bullshit, I work as mechanical/mechatronics engineer so I have a lot of experience with modern techniques and technology including studying and writing code that uses AI...

The issue is when the fkn CEOs of big chip designers and manufacturers (NVIDIA is the worst for this at the moment) come out declaring the future is only AI now and it will do xyz for you (most of xyz are easy tasks people should be able to do and keep doing to keep their skillset active), but only if you buy our over priced and useless hardware, fuck right off lol



Having good controller code can achieve the same thing especially with simple and classical closed and feedback systems to be honest plus probably at a better price for sure, I have done PID tuning so I can see where AI could come into play with it, but when you start introducing so many issues that are human or random environment errors it just best to have educated people looking after developing/improving the controls...

I do agree that its best use is for is in scientific, engineering and large data crunching based areas



For sure, I am pretty sure all that "AI hardware" bullshit just costs more than doing it with hardware that can run classic algorithms and time step/numerical based simulations including the time to code and set it up lol...

I went to give a talk at my old uni for an engineering class dealing with mechanical design as a guest, my God kids are getting so dependent on all these AI chat bots now to do simple work and they came off pretty dumb to me, how are they going to survive when a black out happens lol...
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In my neck of the woods, modelling is constrained by the quality of the conceptual model and by the quality of the data. AI is not giving u better conceptual models and not improving the data.

100% agree. We're training a generation of idiots.
 
When is the Palestine march happening? On the news they are saying Chris Ho Chi Minhs the communist wants to shut it down.
 
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