Australian Political Discussion Thread 3.0

Hey @Doogie could you run us past this info with your professional input (last para's of the article) regarding the necessary amounts of water needed to run a nuclear power plant please.

 
Hey @Doogie could you run us past this info with your professional input (last para's of the article) regarding the necessary amounts of water needed to run a nuclear power plant please.

A 1GW plant needs ~50ML/d. And the water is difficult to release to the environment so you are literally evaporating water. So thats ~18GL/yr. Now Mt Piper is one of the sites mentioned. Know this one well so its water is going to come from Thompsons Creek Reservoir, Lake Wallace and Lake Lyell. Full storage - ~20GL and 2 of the three are local recreational sites. So where do you supplement that from - Lake Oberon. That has around 26GL at full storage. So basically, if it doesn't rain, you've emptied everything in just over 2 years and trashed the water supply for 10,000 people.

Farmers Creek Dam is also up that way but its for Lithgow and only holds 0.3GL. And the state govt is putting thousands of homes there atm. They also can get water from Lake Oberon but that just makes things harder.

Now Mt Piper Coal was up there back in the day so the argument you could make is it used a shitload of water as well. The difference being the way the water was used, the evaporative losses would be much less and you could treat and release back to the environment for others to use. So you could ride out the stretches between rain better. Plus with coal, the asset tolerance was much higher so that higher use of water was nice to rather than need to, they could and did cut back during droughts without loss of production (but it did cause assets to fail quicker). I do not see how you can suddenly not need water at a nuclear plant. Rods need to be cooled one way or the other.

Thats why you build them near the coast and use sea water. But thats not working in NSW - everyone lives there. And piping and pumping across the GDR would cost a bomb.

Cannot talk to the others but its not working at Mt Piper if its a 1GW plant.
 
A 1GW plant needs ~50ML/d. And the water is difficult to release to the environment so you are literally evaporating water. So thats ~18GL/yr. Now Mt Piper is one of the sites mentioned. Know this one well so its water is going to come from Thompsons Creek Reservoir, Lake Wallace and Lake Lyell. Full storage - ~20GL and 2 of the three are local recreational sites. So where do you supplement that from - Lake Oberon. That has around 26GL at full storage. So basically, if it doesn't rain, you've emptied everything in just over 2 years and trashed the water supply for 10,000 people.

Farmers Creek Dam is also up that way but its for Lithgow and only holds 0.3GL. And the state govt is putting thousands of homes there atm. They also can get water from Lake Oberon but that just makes things harder.

Now Mt Piper Coal was up there back in the day so the argument you could make is it used a shitload of water as well. The difference being the way the water was used, the evaporative losses would be much less and you could treat and release back to the environment for others to use. So you could ride out the stretches between rain better. Plus with coal, the asset tolerance was much higher so that higher use of water was nice to rather than need to, they could and did cut back during droughts without loss of production (but it did cause assets to fail quicker). I do not see how you can suddenly not need water at a nuclear plant. Rods need to be cooled one way or the other.

Thats why you build them near the coast and use sea water. But thats not working in NSW - everyone lives there. And piping and pumping across the GDR would cost a bomb.

Cannot talk to the others but its not working at Mt Piper if its a 1GW plant.
Seems, on the whole, unworkable or very dependent on no droughts in those 7 proposed nuclear site areas then.

Hope they've thought it through sufficiently.
 
So it's happened again..
 

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Albo may not leave a lot to be desired but he doesn’t look that bad next to Dutton, fam. Let’s me honest, neither side of the political divide has offered up anything worth talking up in recent years. All just comes down to whose policies you find least objectionable lol.
I get a little filthy when anyone in Australian politics says right wing is facist or nazi. That’s clearly insane thinking , I wouldn’t say the greens are 1987 USSR communist. But the greater media build up is that right wing is hitler but left wing has nothing to answer for
 
Labor has announced that they will support the government partial mortgage guarantee for everyone. This is a scheme that's currently live that allows people to go for a home loan with only 5% of the deposit and no need to may mortgage lenders insurance as the government guarantees part of the mortgage. It's currently only available to a small number of people, but if Labor get re-elected they will guarantee it for all people in a certain bracket (under $180,000 for couples)

Liberals announced their plan which allows people earning under $250,000 (for couples) to claim back loan interest on tax up to 650k property value for the first 5 years of the mortgage (you can own a more expensive property and only claim 650k of it). This would allow people to save up to an additional $55k.

Economists have stated that these are two of the stupidest schemes any government has come up with. Both require tax payers to cover the bill and both would result in raising house prices.
 
Labor has announced that they will support the government partial mortgage guarantee for everyone. This is a scheme that's currently live that allows people to go for a home loan with only 5% of the deposit and no need to may mortgage lenders insurance as the government guarantees part of the mortgage. It's currently only available to a small number of people, but if Labor get re-elected they will guarantee it for all people in a certain bracket (under $180,000 for couples)

Liberals announced their plan which allows people earning under $250,000 (for couples) to claim back loan interest on tax up to 650k property value for the first 5 years of the mortgage (you can own a more expensive property and only claim 650k of it). This would allow people to save up to an additional $55k.

Economists have stated that these are two of the stupidest schemes any government has come up with. Both require tax payers to cover the bill and both would result in raising house prices.
Every one of these types of bonus schemes has adversely affected the cost of housing.

Howard started this silly idea didnt he?
 
Quite often, in a political campaign, there is a moment when one party shoots itself in the foot.
Jacints prices comment, "Make Australia great again" was one such moment, and if I was on the Labour Party's advertising committee, I would play this republican/trumpisem to the hilt!
Dutton and the liberals are now scrabbling to distance themselves from the comments.
The left of politics might be dictatorial and delusional, but the right of politics is often dictatorial and just plain dumb!

 
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Quite often, in a political campaign, there is a moment when one party shoots itself in the foot.
Jacints prices comment, "Make Australia great again" was one such moment, and if I was on the Labour Party's advertising committee, I would play this republican/trumpisem to the hilt!
Dutton and the liberals are now scrabbling to distance themselves from the comments.
The left of politics might be dictatorial and delusional, but the right of politics is often dictatorial and just plain dumb!

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Yup, dumb as stumps and Labor would play this up to the hilt if they had half a brain.
I was getting the feeling this could be a hung parliament one way or the other, but now, if they play their cards right and create doubt in the electorate's mind about the Liberals' seeming support of trump etc, Labour could win and be govern in their own right.
 
Yup, dumb as stumps and Labor would play this up to the hilt if they had half a brain.
I was getting the feeling this could be a hung parliament one way or the other, but now, if they play their cards right and create doubt in the electorate's mind about the Liberals' seeming support of trump etc, Labour could win and be govern in their own right.
 
Labor has announced that they will support the government partial mortgage guarantee for everyone. This is a scheme that's currently live that allows people to go for a home loan with only 5% of the deposit and no need to may mortgage lenders insurance as the government guarantees part of the mortgage. It's currently only available to a small number of people, but if Labor get re-elected they will guarantee it for all people in a certain bracket (under $180,000 for couples)

Liberals announced their plan which allows people earning under $250,000 (for couples) to claim back loan interest on tax up to 650k property value for the first 5 years of the mortgage (you can own a more expensive property and only claim 650k of it). This would allow people to save up to an additional $55k.

Economists have stated that these are two of the stupidest schemes any government has come up with. Both require tax payers to cover the bill and both would result in raising house prices.

But but …. Liebanese is saying that the Liberal’s plan will significantly increase house prices but their plan won’t. Go figure!


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But but …. Liebanese is saying that the Liberal’s plan will significantly increase house prices but their plan won’t. Go figure!


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Yeah, they're both bad for house prices. Labor's is a bit better for house prices as they actually add some supply while Liberals only adds demand, but they're still both terrible plans if you don't want house prices skyrocketing.
 
Yeah, they're both bad for house prices. Labor's is a bit better for house prices as they actually add some supply while Liberals only adds demand, but they're still both terrible plans if you don't want house prices skyrocketing.

Agree, although Liberals do add supply as their tax deductibility of mortgage benefits is only applicable for newly built homes, which inherently incentivises new builds. Also, they have other supply driven measures that they have announced.

You mention that Labour adds to supply - in theory, this is correct but Labor’s record of say vs do has been dismal over the past electoral term. Not one house has been built under their housing Development Scheme despite them having invested huge $s in - this is quite pathetic!


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So waiting for the experts on tonight's debate.
 
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