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So why is our club making a stance ?
It's our choice, to or not to, but we can always be overruled by the various health authorities.

As for why, FIIK, maybe our sponsors asked for it, for example can't get into the Leagues Club or a Laundy pub unvaxed and can't do any corporate events unvaxed either. Our players and coaching staff attend hundreds of corporate events each year, not being able to do them would be a big issue for many sponsors

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Imagine your niece or nephew who was only 11 years old had a reaction of 'mild' myocarditis that left her/him in the hospital alone for 5 days leaving them with a lifelong 50% increase of heart failure and indefinate specialist consults every month. Imagine the costs associated for the scans, specialist consults and the pills they now have to take for the rest of their life. Imagine not being eligible to recoup any of the costs.

Hope none of the ever critical pro vaxxers have to be humbled with such a personally devastating outcome before they change their minds about pro choice.

Horrifically I have seen many examples where the need to project their Social Justice Warrior status is so strong they will post about a negative vaccine reaction either of themselves or even their children, and happily take a further risk (2nd shot/booster) for heart reacts and likes.

It's Travis Scott in sicko mode @Astroworld
 

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Imagine your niece or nephew who was only 11 years old had a reaction of 'mild' myocarditis that left her/him in the hospital alone for 5 days leaving them with a lifelong 50% increase of heart failure and indefinate specialist consults every month. Imagine the costs associated for the scans, specialist consults and the pills they now have to take for the rest of their life. Imagine not being eligible to recoup any of the costs.

Hope none of the ever critical pro vaxxers have to be humbled with such a personally devastating outcome before they change their minds about pro choice.

Horrifically I have seen many examples where the need to project their Social Justice Warrior status is so strong they will post about a negative vaccine reaction either of themselves or even their children, and happily take a further risk (2nd shot/booster) for heart reacts and likes.

It's Travis Scott in sicko mode @Astroworld
Imagine your niece or nephew who was only 10 or 11 years old died of Covid






Because you told their parents not to get them vaccinated.

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Imagine your niece or nephew who was only 10 or 11 years old died of Covid






Because you told their parents not to get them vaccinated.

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Absolutely horrific tragedy. But a rarity in the extreme for children of that age.


4 of those articles are of the same child
. The other one the poor child had serious comorbidities.
 

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Absolutely horrific tragedy. But a rarity in the extreme for children of that age.
4 of those articles are of the same child. The other one the poor child had serious comorbidities.
Just demonstrating the human tragedy, there are plenty more examples. Which will not appear here, but maybe in the Covid thread.

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Absolutely horrific tragedy. But a rarity in the extreme for children of that age.
The point is that you are misrepresenting others, and in the process of misrepresenting others you are appearing to do exactly what you accuse others of doing. You are saying:

a) some have had a medical issue that is at least correlated with taking a vaccine
b) therefore anyone who says we should all have the vaccine are ok with people having a medical issue

Truth, the only people who are saying that people are saying everyone should have the vaccine because it is perfect and fool proof are people who are trying to discredit it.

People who are saying to have the vaccine do so because of the correct understanding that across the population far less people will have a medical episode if there are enough vaccinations then if there are not enough vaccinations. Not that there won't be any, but that there will be substantially less.

The data has proven this to be the case.

Therefore, whilst you are trying to say about others that they are not caring about someone who might have a medical episode after being vaccinated, your negativity around vaccination implies that you don't care about those who have a medical episode after catching Covid19.
 

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Imagine your niece or nephew who was only 10 or 11 years old died of Covid






Because you told their parents not to get them vaccinated.

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what a waste of a career but not getting a vaccinated. if you dont beleive in it WTF cares, just get it done otherwise you are throwing your career away.
 

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grandstand elsewhere anti vaxxers there is a dribblefest thread specifically for your views....
Gold

I love the “pro choice” line.

We live in a world that isn’t pro choice. You can’t drive 150k per hour in a 40 zone because that’s your choice . You can’t take a shit in the middle of the street because you choose to.

There are rules in life. Deal with them or build a life under the sea where you can make your own pro choice rules.
 

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Truth, the only people who are saying that people are saying everyone should have the vaccine because it is perfect and fool proof are people who are trying to discredit it.

you dont seriously believe this?

People who are saying to have the vaccine do so because of the correct understanding that across the population far less people will have a medical episode if there are enough vaccinations then if there are not enough vaccinations. Not that there won't be any, but that there will be substantially less.

The data has proven this to be the case.

Therefore, whilst you are trying to say about others that they are not caring about someone who might have a medical episode after being vaccinated, your negativity around vaccination implies that you don't care about those who have a medical episode after catching Covid19.

nope, I'm pro choice. Stop blaming unvaccinated for spreading covid. Everybody spreads covid.

The way the current rules are set out it facilitates vaccinated people to spread covid.
Nope my point is to the people who are saying fuck Asiata for being anti covid vax was put yourself in someone elses shoes who has personally been effected by serious vaccine reactions.

Dont really want to get reply banned again but you are saying the data proves this.

I am going to say that the systematic removal of the healthcare workers that were the most likely to not overlook serious vaccine reactions has contributed to the reporting rates of vaccine reactions dropping by 2/3rds.

In the months leading up to vaccine mandates on hc workers the reporting rate for adverse reactions was 6.2 per 1000 doses. It dropped to 1.8 right around the same time vaccine deadline kicked in for hc workers.

Meanwhile everyone who has tested + for covid within 28 days and is admitted to hospital for ANY reason is included in data as a covid admission for monitoring purposes.

Also many people affected dont follow up on vaccine reactions because they cant afford to pay for the costs of taking time of work, travel, hotels. If you live in mid north coast NSW you have to travel to Newcastle etc.

Vaccine reactions= downplayed and swepted under the rug
Covid infections and mortality= artificially amplified

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

The above article suggests the initial data from comirnaty trials were purposefully misleading and FDA looked the other way from the get go.
 

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So we have 1 spot in our top 30 left, should we see who is still available or leave it free so we can promote one of the trial and train players and maybe use the balance to maybe free up some cap for next year?

Qld and Victoria have confirmed only double vaxxed players will be able to enter government owned grounds. which include Storm home ground and all the Qld team home grounds.
 

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So we have 1 spot in our top 30 left, should we see who is still available or leave it free so we can promote one of the trial and train players and maybe use the balance to maybe free up some cap for next year?

Qld and Victoria have confirmed only double vaxxed players will be able to enter government owned grounds. which include Storm home ground and all the Qld team home grounds.
And NZ.

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Nope my point is to the people who are saying fuck Asiata for being anti covid vax was put yourself in someone elses shoes who has personally been effected by serious vaccine reactions.

Dont really want to get reply banned again but you are saying the data proves this.

I am going to say that the systematic removal of the healthcare workers that were the most likely to not overlook serious vaccine reactions has contributed to the reporting rates of vaccine reactions dropping by 2/3rds.

In the months leading up to vaccine mandates on hc workers the reporting rate for adverse reactions was 6.2 per 1000 doses. It dropped to 1.8 right around the same time vaccine deadline kicked in for hc workers.

Meanwhile everyone who has tested + for covid within 28 days and is admitted to hospital for ANY reason is included in data as a covid admission for monitoring purposes.

Also many people affected dont follow up on vaccine reactions because they cant afford to pay for the costs of taking time of work, travel, hotels. If you live in mid north coast NSW you have to travel to Newcastle etc.

Vaccine reactions= downplayed and swepted under the rug
Covid infections and mortality= artificially amplified

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

The above article suggests the initial data from comirnaty trials were purposefully misleading and FDA looked the other way from the get go.
vaccinated = reduced risk of infection, reduced severity of virus.

unvaccinated = higher risk of infection, severe symptoms, likelihood of dying increased.

asiata said some family members have had adverse reactions to previous vaccinations… oky well that’s them not him sooo…..
 

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What "dirty work", the State Governments and the NZ Government are the ones with the health regulations in place meaning no vax = no train, no play, no travel. Add that to the airlines no vax = no fly. The Clubs are simply relating the Government regulations effects on their teams.


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Unvaccinated NRL players to be banned from playing or training in Victoria or Queensland

The NRL has confirmed that players who are not vaccinated against COVID-19 will not be able to play or train in Victoria or Queensland.

Key points:
  • The NRL says it will accept new rules putting the home grounds of four clubs in Victoria and Queensland off-limits to unvaccinated players
  • Unvaccinated players will be able to train and play in NSW but under strict protocols
  • NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo, says 95 per cent of the league's 450 players have been vaccinated

The Queensland government this morning announced that only double-vaccinated staff and patrons will be able to access government-owned stadiums, including Lang Park, which is the home of the Brisbane Broncos, and was used for this year's grand final as well as State of Origin matches.

The home grounds of the North Queensland Cowboys and Gold Coast Titans will also be restricted to fully vaccinated players and staff.

The Victorian government has a similar ruling that means unvaccinated players are not able to play at the Melbourne Storm's home ground, AAMI Park.

What Queensland's new COVID rules will mean for you

For mid-December, where you can go and what you can do will depend on whether or not you've had two COVID-19 vaccine doses. Here's what we know.


The decision means the venues of four NRL clubs will essentially be out of bounds for any unvaccinated players from the 12 other clubs.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said he was not surprised by the new Queensland public health orders.

"We will adapt to and adhere to the public health orders and obviously that will mean that the very, very small group of players that choose not to be vaccinated, will have to adhere to those public health orders," he said.
"The public health order is you can't enter the stadium unless you've been vaccinated, then those players won't be able to train and play."

Abdo said more than 95 per cent of the NRL's playing group of around 450 were double vaccinated and the number of unvaccinated players was between 20 and 24.

They include the Storm's Nelson Asofa-Solomona, who recently posted on social media about his opposition to vaccination.


His stance means he will not be able to train or play with the Storm and could lead to the club tearing up his contract, which still has two years to run and is reportedly worth more than $600,000 per season.

By leaving it up to clubs to make decisions about their own vaccination policies, the NRL has decided not to follow the lead of the AFL, which mandated vaccination for players and staff.

The Canberra Raiders are another club with several players who are still refusing to get vaccinated.


Raiders chief executive Don Furner, said the Raiders were not considering terminating contracts for those players, but he said there would come a time next year when they will not be able to fulfil their contractual obligations.

"It's easier for them if they get vaccinated. They can travel into Queensland and play games, they can travel into Victoria and play, they can have a lot freer airline travel," he said.

"It's a lot more difficult for anybody who isn't going to be vaxxed, so we'll sit down and explain that to them, and leave the decision with them."

NRL leaves decisions on unvaxxed players up to clubs
Abdo was asked whether he would back clubs who sacked unvaccinated players, and said ultimately it was a decision for those clubs.

"We obviously don't want to see players sacked. We want to see everyone vaccinated and if they aren't vaccinated, we want to see a way in which we can get them playing safely," he said.

"We always said whilst we haven't mandated vaccinations; we have been incredibly strong in educating and facilitating as many players as possible getting vaccinated.

"I think it's important that we adhere to the principle that clubs are autonomous and they run a business."

He rejected an assertion that the NRL policy was soft because it was refusing to mandate vaccinations.

"We are allowing people the freedom of choice, which I think is important, but we are putting health at the forefront of our policy, which is we believe in vaccination, and we want everyone to get vaccinated," he said.
"Obviously we are now going to have to deal with a very small group on how we deal with them in different jurisdictions and we're up for that."

Abdo said the NRL was working on what salary cap relief could be offered to clubs who were forced to sack players.

"It's complicated and the situation is evolving, so we'll continue to work on it and there will be some guidance around things like salary cap," Abdo said.

Brisbane Broncos chief executive Dave Donaghy said all football staff were vaccinated, but that was not the case for the players.

"I think with the players, (it's) very similar to the community in Queensland," he said.

"It's been a little of apathy towards it, just given our community's situation up here, which has been incredibly well handled."

He said he was confident all the players would be double vaccinated "by the time the borders open".

Strict protocols for unvaccinated players in NSW
Unvaccinated players will be allowed to train and play in New South Wales, but under very strict protocols.

Unvaccinated players will not be able to train until December 15 in line with New South Wales public health orders.



Abdo was speaking at the unveiling of the NRL's 2022 premiership schedule for the men's and women's competitions.

The women's competition will kick off on February 27 with a triple-header involving all six teams, including three new teams: Newcastle, Gold Coast and Parramatta.

The men's competition begins on March 10 with premiers Penrith playing a home game against Manly.

The Warriors will continue to play in Queensland until round 15 in June, when they will finally return home to New Zealand for the first time since 2019.
 

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Such is the case, Canterbury recruit John Asiata has already told Bulldogs officials to plan without him in 2022.

The Dogs, given their delicate salary cap juggle, haven’t needed to be told twice by Asiata to wait – already shifting the forward’s $180,000 contract on their spreadsheet into another column for another player.

Alternatively, it gives reason why English prop-forward Luke Thompson, widely-known as an anti-vaxxer, is understood to have received his first jab – de-risking his $725,000 contract.


 
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